Thread: [Nedit-develop] Re: nedit + Metrolink
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From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:04:18
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | Hi Michael, |=20 | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening with | Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid days? It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have been a few problems over the years. I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback list, however most people are now using a temporary list on sourceforge. Subscription information should be available at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nedit-develop Regards, --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 23:22:28
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> I was being lazy. I don't have web access from my desk. Ah, it's metro link, not metrolink. whitepages.com, florida business. Metro Link Inc 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 954-267-0734 954-938-0283 954-660-2320 Metro Link Technologies 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 954-938-1927 > Are you certain it has been three days? It was off for about two days > before I did anything about it. We can assume the mail and web server are on the same, currently defunct, net segment. It was dead about 6 Jan 10:45 +13 (mail). I was viewing the web at the time, but theoretically could have been calling up only browser-cashed pages for a little while. The last 4 list mails were sent by Metrolink at Received: from server1.metrolink.com (216.242.72.34) by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 11:02:53 -0000 by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0000 by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:03 -0000 by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:48:15 -0000 The last being 6 Jan 8:48 +13. That's a bit over 3 days now. I wouldn't think it likely the web server went offline days earlier than the mail server. The traceroute (to 216.242.72.34) stops at 17 cl-gw1-dfb.ciberlynx.net (216.242.114.18) 211.097 ms 213.314 ms 212.189 ms Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 23:26:22
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:22:20 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | Received: from server1.metrolink.com (216.242.72.34) | by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 11:02:53 -0000 | by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0000 | by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:03 -0000 | by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:48:15 -0000 | | The last being 6 Jan 8:48 +13. That's a bit over 3 days now. I | wouldn't think it likely the web server went offline days earlier than | the mail server. That looks right, then. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Nathan G. <n8...@ca...> - 2004-01-08 21:26:53
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On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann > <lis...@pa...> wrote: > > | Hi Michael, > | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. > | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening with > | Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid days? > > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have=20 > been > a few problems over the years. > > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback > list, however most people are now using a temporary list on=20 > sourceforge. Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 problem will be going away soon? ??? -n8 -- >>>-- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------> >>>-- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu --> |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:42:57
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:45 -0800 Nathan Gray <n8...@ca...> wrote: | On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: |=20 | > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann | > <lis...@pa...> wrote: | > | > | Hi Michael, | > | | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. | > | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening | > | with Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid | > | days? | > | > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have=20 | > been | > a few problems over the years. | > | > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback | > list, however most people are now using a temporary list on=20 | > sourceforge. |=20 | Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 | switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 | problem will be going away soon? I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so I would not propose a permanent change just yet. If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a week without some action being taken. --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:49:17
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:42:41 +1100 Michael Smith <mic...@th...> wrote: | On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:45 -0800 Nathan Gray <n8...@ca...> | wrote: |=20 | | On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: | |=20 | | > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann | | > <lis...@pa...> wrote: | | > | | > | Hi Michael, | | > | | | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit | | > | list. What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's | | > | happening with Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline | | > | for 3 solid days? | | > | | > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there | | > have been | | > a few problems over the years. | | > | | > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a | | > fallback list, however most people are now using a temporary list | | > on sourceforge. | |=20 | | Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 | | switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 | | problem will be going away soon? |=20 | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. |=20 | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? |=20 | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a | week without some action being taken. Oh, BTW, does anybody know who holds the registry keys for the nedit.org domain name? It is possible that we might have to redelegate it. If reqired I could use the DNS on my servers for this purpose. --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 22:29:30
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> | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so > | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. Ack > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a > | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had > | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): Domain Name:NEDIT.ORG Registrant ID:24649922-NSI Registrant Name:Metro Link Incorporated Registrant Organization:Metro Link Incorporated Registrant Street1:5807 N. Andrews Way Registrant City:Fort Lauderdale Registrant State/Province:FL Registrant Postal Code:33309 Registrant Country:US Registrant Email:jimb@METROLINK.COM Admin ID:17717771-NSI Admin Name:Metro Link Incorporated Admin Organization:Metro Link Incorporated Admin Street1:4711 Powerline Road Admin City:Fort Lauderdale Admin State/Province:FL Admin Postal Code:33309 Admin Country:US Admin Email:reunicon@METROLINK.COM Should be easy by way of phone book. > | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a > | week without some action being taken. Yes. But almost to the minute about now, it's 3 full days. > Oh, BTW, does anybody know who holds the registry keys for the > nedit.org domain name? Jim Burmeister set the domain up back then. If he was any good, he set it up under a different account, however that doesn't necessarily mean it's not legally owned by Metrolink (which would be a bad thing, worst case they go bust and the liquidators want to see $$ for the domain name). > It is possible that we might have to redelegate it. Yes > If reqired I could use the DNS on my servers for this purpose. No. If we have to take of it ourselves (pending definiton of "we"), we'll shift registration to either joker.com (11EUR/y) or gandi.net (12EUR/y), both include free use of their name servers. This is way cheaper than N*&*$(@*#SI (don't get me started!), their namerservers are zero hassle for all of us, and it's pretty easy with web interfaces. In any case we have to find our own web space, sourceforge might not be a bad choice. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 22:52:55
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:29:25 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | | > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them | > | a call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. | > | I had the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that | > | correct? | | Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): I was being lazy. I don't have web access from my desk. | | > | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for | > | a week without some action being taken. | | Yes. But almost to the minute about now, it's 3 full days. Are you certain it has been three days? It was off for about two days before I did anything about it. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Set me f. <se...@fr...> - 2004-01-08 22:40:40
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Quoting Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...>: > > | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so > > | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. > > Ack > > > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a > > | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had > > | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? > > Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): > > Domain Name:NEDIT.ORG > Registrant ID:24649922-NSI > Registrant Name:Metro Link Incorporated > Registrant Organization:Metro Link Incorporated > Registrant Street1:5807 N. Andrews Way > Registrant City:Fort Lauderdale > Registrant State/Province:FL > Registrant Postal Code:33309 > Registrant Country:US > Registrant Email:jimb@METROLINK.COM > Admin ID:17717771-NSI > Admin Name:Metro Link Incorporated > Admin Organization:Metro Link Incorporated > Admin Street1:4711 Powerline Road > Admin City:Fort Lauderdale > Admin State/Province:FL > Admin Postal Code:33309 > Admin Country:US > Admin Email:reunicon@METROLINK.COM > > Should be easy by way of phone book. From the Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20030602193124/www.metrolink.com/general/contact.html Metro Link, Incorporated 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 Main 954-660-2500 Fax 954-938-1982 www.metrolink.com Technical Support Main 954-660-2500 Direct 954-660-2418 Fax 954-938-1982 te...@me... For more information, please see www.metrolink.com/tech_support/ Cheers, Tony |
From: Joerg F. <jf...@gm...> - 2004-01-09 02:22:40
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>I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, >so I would not propose a permanent change just yet. > > [...] > >It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for >a week without some action being taken. The basic problem is that neither metrolink nor sourceforge are companies that provide professional web hosting or e-mail services. The company where I have my mail accounts and home page was never down to the best of my knowledge. They achieve this with a `silly' amount of redundancies. Maybe metrolink will be back soon, what everybody is waiting for now. But there is no reason, why this couldn't take over a weak. Cheers, J=F6rg |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-09 02:51:14
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 03:22:27 +0100 Joerg Fischer <jf...@gm...> wrote: | The company where I have my mail accounts and home page was never | down to the best of my knowledge. They achieve this with a `silly' | amount of redundancies. With linux or bsd servers it is not hard to get good reliability these days. Two potential points of failure: 1. Modern personal computers which to not automatically restart after power failure (Grrrrr) 2. Consumer grade ADSL lines which deliver < 90% uptime. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-09 04:49:02
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> With linux or bsd servers it is not hard to get good reliability these > days. Two potential points of failure: There are a lot more: kernel upgrades, network card failed, ... none last more than a few hours though. I vote for shifting the registration of nedit.org to joker or gandi (or any other place which supplies free name servers) at the earliest possible moment. Reason: the FAQ says The NEdit web page is mirrored in Australia at: http://www.au.nedit.org/ which would be working now if we had a decent name server. (Anyone knows the IP of that?) A downtime of >3 days is not even consumer grade adsl. Well, not in New Zealand. In 2y, my cable has had 4h max (equipment upgrades). Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-09 05:15:51
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:48:59 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | http://www.au.nedit.org/ | | which would be working now if we had a decent name server. (Anyone | knows the IP of that?) A downtime of >3 days is not even consumer | grade adsl. Well, not in New Zealand. In 2y, my cable has had 4h max | (equipment upgrades). Except that it was closed some years ago. I looked at mirroring it but I was unsure what it would cost me in traffic volumes. Perhaps I could look at it again. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-09 05:40:37
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> | http://www.au.nedit.org/ > Except that it was closed some years ago. I looked at mirroring it but I > was unsure what it would cost me in traffic volumes. Perhaps I could > look at it again. Prob not worth it. The cost factor is understandable. Mirror at sf? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-09 06:13:40
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:40:34 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | > | http://www.au.nedit.org/ | | > Except that it was closed some years ago. I looked at mirroring it | > but I was unsure what it would cost me in traffic volumes. Perhaps I | > could look at it again. | | Prob not worth it. The cost factor is understandable. Mirror at sf? Certainly. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Joor L. <jo...@lo...> - 2004-01-09 06:24:53
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On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 06:40, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > | http://www.au.nedit.org/ > > > Except that it was closed some years ago. I looked at mirroring it but I > > was unsure what it would cost me in traffic volumes. Perhaps I could > > look at it again. > > Prob not worth it. The cost factor is understandable. Mirror at sf? What are the privileges we get at sourceforge? Is there a shell acount to go with it? Can we run cron jobs? Just in case, as I mentioned earlier, but will repeat for later subscribers, there is a partial mirror at http://nedit.opendocuments.com/ (partial meaning that the mail archives are not available), and a fairly recent ftp mirror (updated Jan 4th) at http://ftp.nl.linux.org/mirror/NEdit/. -- Joor Loohuis Loco (Loohuis Consulting) Training, consultancy and building Specialized in Open Source solutions http://www.loohuis-consulting.nl/ tel: +31 30 2431263 |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-10 23:48:00
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> subscribers, there is a partial mirror at > http://nedit.opendocuments.com/ (partial meaning that the mail archives > are not available), and a fairly recent ftp mirror (updated Jan 4th) at > http://ftp.nl.linux.org/mirror/NEdit/. None of this is mentioned in the FAQ. The mirror(s) mentioned in the FAQ don't exist. The niki isn't mentioned anywhere but nedit.org. When nedit.org dies, the only thing left working is google, whereas some URLs in the nedit docs could fix that. What speaks against having nedit.org mirrored at sf (at least w/o lists)? Dunno about shell and cron access, but I think sf is generous with rsync/ssh access. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |