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From: Joerg F. <jf...@gm...> - 2004-01-09 02:25:21
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>But that's all beside the point. The point is that changing the >shell which *nedit* uses to sh is supposed to break quite a few >things which are taking for granted that nedit calls csh. At least >this was the mantra some years back. Has it changed? Partly. It is still not possible to spawn a daemon like xdvi from inside nedit using sh (will block macro execution until the daemon is closed). Cheers, J=F6rg |
From: Nathan G. <n8...@ca...> - 2004-01-09 02:23:01
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Since it came up... I think we should be setting reply-to in the mailing list headers. It has historically been that way in the NEdit lists and furthermore I think it's the right way to handle mailing lists. Yes, I've read the "reply-to munging considered harmful" article. It's silly techno-elitist tripe, IMNSHO. A message from a mailing list is a public communication, and replies should be public by default. Cheers, -n8 -- >>>-- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------> >>>-- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu --> |
From: Joerg F. <jf...@gm...> - 2004-01-09 02:22:40
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>I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, >so I would not propose a permanent change just yet. > > [...] > >It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for >a week without some action being taken. The basic problem is that neither metrolink nor sourceforge are companies that provide professional web hosting or e-mail services. The company where I have my mail accounts and home page was never down to the best of my knowledge. They achieve this with a `silly' amount of redundancies. Maybe metrolink will be back soon, what everybody is waiting for now. But there is no reason, why this couldn't take over a weak. Cheers, J=F6rg |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-09 02:20:36
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> >I switched to sh years ago. It's better for non-interactive stuff. Granted, I now only program in bash, although tcsh has higher portability. It's impossible to program safely in sh, or anything which doesn't have array variables. There has been a huge shift of tcsh and bash towards each other. bash 1 is useless, but bash 2 has all the niceties of tcsh (some, e.g. arrays, noticably as an afterthought), tcsh has a lot of things from sh now too. > >On a tty I still use (t)csh. Same. (tcsh, csh is dead and buried, if not, hurry up.) > You use csh interactive and Bourne Shell for scripts? Wasn't csh > supposed to be better scriptable but less useful interactively? That's like asking which editor is best :)) But that's all beside the point. The point is that changing the shell which *nedit* uses to sh is supposed to break quite a few things which are taking for granted that nedit calls csh. At least this was the mantra some years back. Has it changed? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Joerg F. <jf...@gm...> - 2004-01-09 02:09:44
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>I caught a seg fault with CVS head revision when linked to >OM-2.1.30, and later traced it back to the changes on widget >hierarchy of top-level application shell. Lesstif appeared to be >okay. >=20 > To create the seg fault: > 1. open two _windows_. > 2. tear off the File menu of any one window. > 3. close the window with the tear-off menu. Does open two windows mean open two tabs or two windows in non-buffermode? What I've done is opened two tabs, torn off the File menu (tried later also different menus) and closed the tab with the tear-off menu. But nothing happens. This is with 07.01 Head and OM 2.1.30 (the Metrolink version). Am I missing anything? Cheers, J=F6rg |
From: Thorsten H. <ne...@th...> - 2004-01-09 01:29:06
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Hi, * Set me free <se...@fr...> [2004-01-09 00:22]: >I switched to sh years ago. It's better for non-interactive stuff. (I have >limited myself to sh, not ksh or bash - so I only use the subset that all >should have... The disadvantage is I don't know what ksh and bash add!) > >On a tty I still use (t)csh. You use csh interactive and Bourne Shell for scripts? Wasn't csh supposed to be better scriptable but less useful interactively? (If you ever switch, try Zsh.) Thorsten --=20 Emacs is for people who desperately want to get drunk, but feel guilty doing so without a reason. - Miles O'Neal |
From: Thorsten H. <ne...@th...> - 2004-01-09 01:25:40
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Hi, * Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> [2004-01-08 23:54]: >[From the queue for di...@ne...] > >> nedit -V >NEdit: Can't open display Could you please put this in SF's bug tracker? Thorsten --=20 He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. - Thomas Paine |
From: Thorsten H. <ne...@th...> - 2004-01-09 01:17:37
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Hi, * Joachim Lous <joa...@nr...> [2004-01-08 10:39]: >ned...@li... wrote: > >> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > >The argument are not particualarly impressive Munging takes away without adding; what more do you need? >and more importantly: My user experience is quite clear on what is >most usable. I am on a different list that does not set >reply-to, and it is a royal pain in the ass to remember >to use a different reply command than usual for that >particular type of mail.=20 I'm afraid Outlook is not only the source of several billions worth of security holes but also a pretty lousy mailer. You might not have a choice (I don't) but please don't judge MUAs in general by one of the worst examples out there. A MUA for a mailing list should of course have the option to answer either to the list or to the poster. Problem solved. Thorsten --=20 Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. - Pericles |
From: Thorsten H. <ne...@th...> - 2004-01-09 01:04:54
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Hi, * Joor Loohuis <jo...@lo...> [2004-01-08 09:55]: >On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 08:56, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> * Joor Loohuis <jo...@lo...> [2004-01-08 07:23]: >> >On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 21:04, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> >> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html >> >>=20 >> >> It was wrong before, but we needn't add wrongness to the new list. >> > >> >The thing is, as you say, we have been doing it before, and list members >> >will have grown to expect this. >>=20 >> Actually most of my list honor the Reply-To, so that I have come to >> expect it. What now? > >I'm not sure I follow you. You mean that most of your lists do set a >Reply-To? No, they honor it, ie. they don't munge it. >> >Besides, if you have read the article in detail, you will undoubtedly >> >have noticed that the author's arguments are based on 'principles' >> >and the behaviour of 'reasonable mailers'. >>=20 >> What's wrong with that? > >IMHO they're kind of arbitrary and subjective. The socalled principles >aren't really well established, and the strong suggestion is made that >only the way elm handles mail replies is reasonable. I can see some support for his claims in the text. He does compare different MUAs and shows what the Reply-To does to them. To answer the poster only and to answer to the list are two option you naturally have on a mailing list. If a software does not support these two it is obviously not fit for the task. Don't break better software to make up for it. >Besides that, some arguments are plain wrong, such as the one stating >that a reply to author is no longer possible. Well, it might be. I'm doing support at the moment and see a lot of customer accounts with Reply-To set to another address using a different technology (mobile/non-mobile). Say I don't want to tussle with my mobile to write a mail, but the reply absolutely has to get to the mobile. >Also see the paraphrasing of the article at >http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml (take note of the >RFC-822 quote) I read this text before. Take note of what he didn't quote: - - - Schnipp - - - In the first case, the author(s) may not have regular machine-based mailboxes and therefore wish(es) to indicate an alternate machine address. In the second case, an author may wish additional persons to be made aware of, or responsible for, replies. - - - Schnapp - - - Both of which is made impossible with munged Reply-To. Impossible as in: Nobody would know the addresses in question even if they magically would know that they have been there. The opposite is of course not true: The list's address is included in every mail already; no need to put it there a second time. It is truly trivial to get the address and use it to direct your answer. To nitpick: The quoted text says that the Reply-To could be of help if it would be set "in the \"Reply-To\" field of all messages submitted *to* the teleconference;" (my emphasis), that is, we could all agree to set the Reply-To. That would still allow for special circumstances at the poster's discretion. (There's a point-by-point rebuttal of Simon Hill's text available in German: http://www.helms.sh/replyto/eilert.html) Thorsten --=20 Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfuc= ker. - Bruce Sherrod |
From: Scott J. T. <sco...@et...> - 2004-01-09 00:59:58
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TK Soh wrote: > I managed to capture the widget hierarchy of the Shift_Left menu item from its > tear-off, on both OM and Lesstif: > > Lesstif (0.93.x): > ---------------- > 0x83a96f8: shiftLeft (XmPushButton): x=2, y=182, w=185, h=22 > 0x83a9b88: editMenu (XmRowColumn): x=616, y=151, w=189, h=342 > 0x84beee0: editMenu Tear-off (TransientShell): x=616, y=151, w=189, h=342 > 0x83881f0: text (TopLevelShell): x=544, y=92, w=620, h=655 > 0x834bb20: nedit (ApplicationShell): x=0, y=0, w=0, h=0 > > OM (2.1.30 and 2.2.3 beta): > -------------------------- > 0x83cf4a8: shiftLeft (XmPushButton): x=2, y=182, w=185, h=22 > 0x83cd440: editMenu (XmRowColumn): x=47, y=207, w=189, h=342 > 0x841bc30: (TransientShell): x=47, y=207, w=189, h=342 > 0x8369b28: nedit (ApplicationShell): x=0, y=0, w=0, h=0 > > I also hacked OM-2.2.3b a bit to add the missing TopLevelShell, which seemed to > fix the seg-fault. Now, the issue here is how we should workaround the broken OM. This is at the time of the crash, right? I mean, during normal operation, the TopLevelShell is still there, right? Ugh, time to pull out a debug version of Motif and see what it's doing. What I saw was that it was placing the tear-off as a child of the ApplicationShell, not the TopLevelShell. |
From: TK S. <tee...@ya...> - 2004-01-09 00:14:30
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--- Eddy De Greef <de...@im...> wrote: > On 2004.01.08 15:37 Scott J. Tringali wrote: > > TK Soh wrote: > > > > > I'll take a look, but let's try not to mix up between the two. Besides, > the > > > segfault to me is a much bigger problem. > > > > I'll look at the segfault, since I probably introduced it. Weird, only > > happens on OpenMotif 2.1, though. > > It looks like a bug in OpenMotif, which is triggered by the changes. > At least, I couldn't find anything wrong in our code, but I don't > fully understand the OpenMotif code yet where it seems to go wrong. I managed to capture the widget hierarchy of the Shift_Left menu item from its tear-off, on both OM and Lesstif: Lesstif (0.93.x): ---------------- 0x83a96f8: shiftLeft (XmPushButton): x=2, y=182, w=185, h=22 0x83a9b88: editMenu (XmRowColumn): x=616, y=151, w=189, h=342 0x84beee0: editMenu Tear-off (TransientShell): x=616, y=151, w=189, h=342 0x83881f0: text (TopLevelShell): x=544, y=92, w=620, h=655 0x834bb20: nedit (ApplicationShell): x=0, y=0, w=0, h=0 OM (2.1.30 and 2.2.3 beta): -------------------------- 0x83cf4a8: shiftLeft (XmPushButton): x=2, y=182, w=185, h=22 0x83cd440: editMenu (XmRowColumn): x=47, y=207, w=189, h=342 0x841bc30: (TransientShell): x=47, y=207, w=189, h=342 0x8369b28: nedit (ApplicationShell): x=0, y=0, w=0, h=0 I also hacked OM-2.2.3b a bit to add the missing TopLevelShell, which seemed to fix the seg-fault. Now, the issue here is how we should workaround the broken OM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 23:26:22
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:22:20 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | Received: from server1.metrolink.com (216.242.72.34) | by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 11:02:53 -0000 | by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0000 | by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:03 -0000 | by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:48:15 -0000 | | The last being 6 Jan 8:48 +13. That's a bit over 3 days now. I | wouldn't think it likely the web server went offline days earlier than | the mail server. That looks right, then. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Set me f. <se...@fr...> - 2004-01-08 23:22:42
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Quoting Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...>: > [also from the di...@ne... queue] > > Csh's annoying startup speed even for non-interactive shells doesn't > make for smooth working. Not calling with -f is the cause. What > problems do I have to expect if I call csh with -f? Seems to work, but > how best to do it? The X resource doesn't take arguments. A wrapper > script like > > #!/bin/sh > exec /bin/csh -f "$@" > > is rather blerrgh, but works. I think the default should be to call > with -f, the full works is hardly ever needed (if you need a PATH, set > it before calling nedit), but it's seriously slow for 99.9% of my > operations. > > Thanks, > > Volker I switched to sh years ago. It's better for non-interactive stuff. (I have limited myself to sh, not ksh or bash - so I only use the subset that all should have... The disadvantage is I don't know what ksh and bash add!) On a tty I still use (t)csh. Tony |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 23:22:28
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> I was being lazy. I don't have web access from my desk. Ah, it's metro link, not metrolink. whitepages.com, florida business. Metro Link Inc 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 954-267-0734 954-938-0283 954-660-2320 Metro Link Technologies 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 954-938-1927 > Are you certain it has been three days? It was off for about two days > before I did anything about it. We can assume the mail and web server are on the same, currently defunct, net segment. It was dead about 6 Jan 10:45 +13 (mail). I was viewing the web at the time, but theoretically could have been calling up only browser-cashed pages for a little while. The last 4 list mails were sent by Metrolink at Received: from server1.metrolink.com (216.242.72.34) by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 11:02:53 -0000 by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0000 by pop3-3.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 12:21:03 -0000 by pop3-1.paradise.net.nz with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:48:15 -0000 The last being 6 Jan 8:48 +13. That's a bit over 3 days now. I wouldn't think it likely the web server went offline days earlier than the mail server. The traceroute (to 216.242.72.34) stops at 17 cl-gw1-dfb.ciberlynx.net (216.242.114.18) 211.097 ms 213.314 ms 212.189 ms Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 22:58:46
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[also from the di...@ne... queue] Csh's annoying startup speed even for non-interactive shells doesn't make for smooth working. Not calling with -f is the cause. What problems do I have to expect if I call csh with -f? Seems to work, but how best to do it? The X resource doesn't take arguments. A wrapper script like #!/bin/sh exec /bin/csh -f "$@" is rather blerrgh, but works. I think the default should be to call with -f, the full works is hardly ever needed (if you need a PATH, set it before calling nedit), but it's seriously slow for 99.9% of my operations. Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 22:54:47
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[From the queue for di...@ne...] > nedit -V NEdit: Can't open display The information about the display's bit depth is secondary at best, the info about the binary is essential. Can nedit please output its version and the motif etc stuff before getting stuck on the X server bit? Background: I wanted that info from some ninaries installed on a remote machine for which there wasn't an X11 channel (and depending on circumstances, it's impossible to make one). Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 22:52:55
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:29:25 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | | > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them | > | a call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. | > | I had the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that | > | correct? | | Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): I was being lazy. I don't have web access from my desk. | | > | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for | > | a week without some action being taken. | | Yes. But almost to the minute about now, it's 3 full days. Are you certain it has been three days? It was off for about two days before I did anything about it. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Set me f. <se...@fr...> - 2004-01-08 22:40:40
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Quoting Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...>: > > | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so > > | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. > > Ack > > > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a > > | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had > > | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? > > Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): > > Domain Name:NEDIT.ORG > Registrant ID:24649922-NSI > Registrant Name:Metro Link Incorporated > Registrant Organization:Metro Link Incorporated > Registrant Street1:5807 N. Andrews Way > Registrant City:Fort Lauderdale > Registrant State/Province:FL > Registrant Postal Code:33309 > Registrant Country:US > Registrant Email:jimb@METROLINK.COM > Admin ID:17717771-NSI > Admin Name:Metro Link Incorporated > Admin Organization:Metro Link Incorporated > Admin Street1:4711 Powerline Road > Admin City:Fort Lauderdale > Admin State/Province:FL > Admin Postal Code:33309 > Admin Country:US > Admin Email:reunicon@METROLINK.COM > > Should be easy by way of phone book. From the Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20030602193124/www.metrolink.com/general/contact.html Metro Link, Incorporated 5807 North Andrews Way Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 Main 954-660-2500 Fax 954-938-1982 www.metrolink.com Technical Support Main 954-660-2500 Direct 954-660-2418 Fax 954-938-1982 te...@me... For more information, please see www.metrolink.com/tech_support/ Cheers, Tony |
From: Volker K. <lis...@pa...> - 2004-01-08 22:29:30
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> | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so > | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. Ack > | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a > | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had > | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? Yes. Whois is your friend (bad pun): Domain Name:NEDIT.ORG Registrant ID:24649922-NSI Registrant Name:Metro Link Incorporated Registrant Organization:Metro Link Incorporated Registrant Street1:5807 N. Andrews Way Registrant City:Fort Lauderdale Registrant State/Province:FL Registrant Postal Code:33309 Registrant Country:US Registrant Email:jimb@METROLINK.COM Admin ID:17717771-NSI Admin Name:Metro Link Incorporated Admin Organization:Metro Link Incorporated Admin Street1:4711 Powerline Road Admin City:Fort Lauderdale Admin State/Province:FL Admin Postal Code:33309 Admin Country:US Admin Email:reunicon@METROLINK.COM Should be easy by way of phone book. > | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a > | week without some action being taken. Yes. But almost to the minute about now, it's 3 full days. > Oh, BTW, does anybody know who holds the registry keys for the > nedit.org domain name? Jim Burmeister set the domain up back then. If he was any good, he set it up under a different account, however that doesn't necessarily mean it's not legally owned by Metrolink (which would be a bad thing, worst case they go bust and the liquidators want to see $$ for the domain name). > It is possible that we might have to redelegate it. Yes > If reqired I could use the DNS on my servers for this purpose. No. If we have to take of it ourselves (pending definiton of "we"), we'll shift registration to either joker.com (11EUR/y) or gandi.net (12EUR/y), both include free use of their name servers. This is way cheaper than N*&*$(@*#SI (don't get me started!), their namerservers are zero hassle for all of us, and it's pretty easy with web interfaces. In any case we have to find our own web space, sourceforge might not be a bad choice. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:49:17
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:42:41 +1100 Michael Smith <mic...@th...> wrote: | On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:45 -0800 Nathan Gray <n8...@ca...> | wrote: |=20 | | On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: | |=20 | | > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann | | > <lis...@pa...> wrote: | | > | | > | Hi Michael, | | > | | | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit | | > | list. What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's | | > | happening with Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline | | > | for 3 solid days? | | > | | > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there | | > have been | | > a few problems over the years. | | > | | > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a | | > fallback list, however most people are now using a temporary list | | > on sourceforge. | |=20 | | Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 | | switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 | | problem will be going away soon? |=20 | I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so | I would not propose a permanent change just yet. |=20 | If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a | call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had | the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? |=20 | It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a | week without some action being taken. Oh, BTW, does anybody know who holds the registry keys for the nedit.org domain name? It is possible that we might have to redelegate it. If reqired I could use the DNS on my servers for this purpose. --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:42:57
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:26:45 -0800 Nathan Gray <n8...@ca...> wrote: | On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: |=20 | > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann | > <lis...@pa...> wrote: | > | > | Hi Michael, | > | | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. | > | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening | > | with Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid | > | days? | > | > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have=20 | > been | > a few problems over the years. | > | > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback | > list, however most people are now using a temporary list on=20 | > sourceforge. |=20 | Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 | switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 | problem will be going away soon? I think overall metrolink have been more reliable than sourceforge, so I would not propose a permanent change just yet. If I had a phone number for metrolink I would consider giving them a call, to at least find out if they are still there in some form. I had the impression that they are in the eastern US. Is that correct? It strikes me as strange that their web site could be off line for a week without some action being taken. --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Nathan G. <n8...@ca...> - 2004-01-08 21:26:53
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On Jan 8, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann > <lis...@pa...> wrote: > > | Hi Michael, > | > | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. > | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening with > | Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid days? > > It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have=20 > been > a few problems over the years. > > I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback > list, however most people are now using a temporary list on=20 > sourceforge. Does anybody know what's going on here? Should we make a permanent=20 switch to the SF lists? Is there any evidence to suggest that this=20 problem will be going away soon? ??? -n8 -- >>>-- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------> >>>-- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu --> |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:04:18
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <lis...@pa...> wrote: | Hi Michael, |=20 | J=F6rg Fischer gave me your email address re a temporary nedit list. | What are the details? Is there an archive? And what's happening with | Metrolink - is it common for them to be offline for 3 solid days? It is not common for them to go completely off line, but there have been a few problems over the years. I will add you to the email alias which I have set up as a fallback list, however most people are now using a temporary list on sourceforge. Subscription information should be available at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nedit-develop Regards, --=20 Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Michael S. <mic...@th...> - 2004-01-08 21:00:08
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:46:56 -0800 (PST) TK Soh <tee...@ya...> wrote: | --- Michael Smith <mic...@th...> wrote: | > Should the calls to... | > | > BeginWait(window->shell); | > | > ...be made on a different widget? Or should they be switched in and | > out when different tabs are selected? | | I've checked in the fix. Please try it out. Thanks TK. I will do a cvs update tonight, but I suspect it will take a couple of days to get to the server used for anonymous cvs. -- Michael Smith | 61 394 257 560 Senior Software Engineer| 61 416 062 898 THALES ATM Pty Ltd | S 37 49 53.4 Melbourne, Australia | E 144 59 48.3 |
From: Joerg F. <jf...@gm...> - 2004-01-08 18:26:15
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>On Jan 2, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Harold L Hunt II wrote: >>I didn't have to define BUILD_BROKEN_NEDIT, but I don't think >>that check_lin_tif was being built in the default build for >>Cygwin, so the version of LessTif is not being checked. When I >>built it manually it showed that 0.93.91 is an untested version, >>but not a version explicitly known to be broken. >Interesting. That means a bug in our build system -- check_lin_tif >should be built on all platforms that are likely to use LessTif. =20 Yes it should, but the check isn't turned on in Makefile.cygwin. Seems to have been lost. Cheers, J=F6rg |