Re: [Nebula-Discuss] PATCH: Small patches

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Hi all,

>Rui Paulo Sanguinheira Diogo [r....@gm...] wrote:
>It just happened that I get this (quite disturbing) message when I was
looking at Nebula again. I used Nebula 1 for some spare time stuff in the
past - >though no real game project.  I actually loved it because it was
very consistent and handy

That's exactly my situation too. I also started to play with Nebula 1,  the=
n
after some period of time came back to see great step forward in Nebula2
about 2 years ago. And now as I got some spare time, returned to my project=
.
I did a lot of research  and tried  a lot of  free engines.  In my opinion,
Nebula is much superior  to  all of them, and defenitely better than all
"home-made" commercial engines. Of course, I am still a newbee at Nebula an=
d
do not even yet understand entirely  how  it works, but things like clean
design, obviuos desire to make internal code as simple as possible,
usability (WHEN YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE THING YOU NEED SHOULD BE
DONE),  built-in debug tools & console, and good performance speak for
themselves.

Thus I am very glad to hear these good news from Kim Hyoun Woo!!!  I beleiv=
e
there are more people interested in this engine, just not all of them write
in discussion list. Yesterday I found one example - one guy is frequently
publishing Nebula2 tutorials in some eastern language (
http://www.game798.com/html/2007-01/2735.htm for example). I'm not sure
though that he isn't writing here, but it looks so ;) Anyway, it shows the
interest to the engine.

I don't think I can now contribute to merging latest code and bug fixes, as
I am not _that_ familiar with  Nebula itself and  C++ too, but I am
defenitely interested in this. I want to use Nebula and probably Mangalore
for a simple outdoor game/simulation with nice nature. What I think I can d=
o
- is writing well-explained tutorials documentation as I make progress, and
I will try to do that.

I really beleive that lack of detailed well-explained documentation about
how Nebula works and what is the right way to do things here is the ONLY
reason for it's "unpopularity" and not-so-active community, comparing to
OGRE for example.
---------
And I want to ask people who understand how the things works with community
and RadonLabs check-ins:
What actually is the problem with merging RadonLabs code? As I see things,
code in the code/Mangalore and code/Nebula2 should not be changed by the
community. RadonLabs is maintaining this code on a constantly basis,and I
think they find and fix critical bugs faster than community. This way code
should be just replaced by the new RadonLabs code, not merged, which can be
done even every week if required. Of course, this probably will require som=
e
refactoring on contributed modules, but I think this is a good point to kee=
p
Nebula up-to-dated.

2007/3/17, Kim Hyoun Woo <ki...@ho...>:
>
> Vadim Macagon <vadim <at> cubik.org> writes:
>
> >
> > Marco Antonio G=F3mez Mart=EDn wrote:
> > >     Hi all,
> > >
> > >> The second patch was already mentioned before by marco, it adds an
> > >> include for
> > >> algorithm to narray.h. I'm not sure why it wasn't not yet within the
> > >> SVN but I think
> > >> something was wrong the way he tried to commit it.
> > >
> > >     Actually, I didn't commit the patches I sent, because I have no
> > > user/password in SVN.
> > >     That's the reason why I sent the patches to the list, but I had n=
o
> > > answers :'(  I hope you have more luck :-p
> > >
> > >     By the way, I did not mention the error you solve in the
> makefile.py
> > > patch, but I am agree with it, and I just hope someone commit it to
> the
> > > repository...
> > >
> > >     Marco
> >
> > You didn't get a response because there's pretty much no one left to
> > give you one. Bruce, the last of the great maintainers, retired sometim=
e
> > last year, and right now we really only have one active contributor
> > whose main focus is the 3DSMax Toolkit. Basically the lights are on, bu=
t
> > nobody is home.
> >
> > I'll briefly come out of retirement to have a look at the patches over
> > the next few days and see if I can commit some of them. Never tried
> > building Nebula in Linux before but at least now I've got an Ubuntu box
> > to attempt it on.
> >
> > -+ enlight +-
> >
> >
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> Hey,
>
> As enlight pointed it out the lights are still on.
>
> And I list up some random news:
>
> - As it can be seen in the SVN mailing list, 3dsmax toolkit is heavily
> updated
> and improved at the moment (but which does not mean that the toolkit is
> not
> stable :) due to it is currently used for several commercial projects so
> it is
> getting better than ever before.
>
> - Some commercial projects are mentioned above, theres are several guys
> who want
> to join and contribute but most of them(Korean) are poor at english. That
> might
> be one of reason that the commnunity is not so active even the engine is
> used
> for commercial projects.
>
> - John Smith who mainly merged the last code dump from RL also has some
> neat
> stuff of his own which can improve N2 such as removing STL from tynyxml
> module,
> supporting IME and unicode and so on. But he recently found his own
> company so
> it might take some time till he release that.
>
> - For new code dump from RL, I dropped an email about that to Bernd
> Beyreuther,
> a  leader of RL about a month ago but no response yet.
>
> - Floh, the original creater of Nebula Device at RL, now have his blog an=
d
> there's lots of news you guys want to hear including N3!
> http://flohofwoe.blogspot.com/
>
> - As enlight pointed out, I currently focus on 3dsmax toolkit and overall
> production pipeline for N2 and Mangalore. For that, I'm doing a project
> and
> willing to open it to anyone who want to participate so let me know that
> if you
> have interest on it.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kim Hyoun Woo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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