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From: Zoran V. <zv...@ar...> - 2005-05-04 14:37:49
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Hi friends, I have updated our product to use NaviServer now. It will be distributed as update to about 500 installations worldwide. I have tested it thoroughly and apart from the (already noted) ns_urlencode (incompatibility) it seems that other things are backward-compatible with the aolserver. We still do not use any new features, though. This will be added as we pass first field-tests. I could use this occasion to raise the "are we about to make a release" question again. As it seems, it would be fine for us to tag the CVS and make a tarball. What do you think? If yes, which version? 4.99? Zoran |
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From: Vlad S. <vl...@cr...> - 2005-05-04 14:47:29
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I agree we can make public release, we wanted to do this with docs but it may take longer, so public release with official use in commercial product could be enough reason to make first appearance. We just do not have Web site, at least first page with some details would be nice. I guess, hosting on sourceforge gives us html version of web page only. Also, until we have docs we can release snapshots without tagging CVS, kind of working release, i am not comfortable with CVS tagging and branching:-))) Using versions 4.0.x will be in collision with AS, i think new version scheme should be used. Zoran Vasiljevic wrote: > Hi friends, > > I have updated our product to use NaviServer now. It will be distributed as > update to about 500 installations worldwide. > I have tested it thoroughly and apart from the (already noted) ns_urlencode > (incompatibility) it seems that other things are backward-compatible > with the > aolserver. We still do not use any new features, though. This will be added > as we pass first field-tests. > > I could use this occasion to raise the "are we about to make a release" > question > again. As it seems, it would be fine for us to tag the CVS and make a > tarball. > What do you think? If yes, which version? 4.99? > > Zoran > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. > Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 > opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to > win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 > _______________________________________________ > naviserver-devel mailing list > nav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/naviserver-devel -- Vlad Seryakov 571 262-8608 office vl...@cr... http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/ |
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From: Zoran V. <zv...@ar...> - 2005-05-04 14:53:22
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Am 04.05.2005 um 16:45 schrieb Vlad Seryakov: > > We just do not have Web site, at least first page with some details > would be nice. I guess, hosting on sourceforge gives us html version > of web page only. > Bernd can take this on his shoulders, I think. Bernd? > Also, until we have docs we can release snapshots without tagging CVS, > kind of working release, i am not comfortable with CVS tagging and > branching:-))) > Oh, tagging is absolutely crucial! We do not need to work on the branches (yet) but it is important for us to be able to checkout the released version and make any fixes if necessary. You could ignore the branches if you like and always commit to cvs-head but we must have versioning. > Using versions 4.0.x will be in collision with AS, i think new version > scheme should be used. > Any ideas what? Stephen suggested 4.99. Why not use that? Or more radically, 5.0 as we do have virtual hosting now which can justify the release bump. Zoran |
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From: Vlad S. <vl...@cr...> - 2005-05-04 14:56:41
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> > Any ideas what? Stephen suggested 4.99. Why not use that? Or more > radically, 5.0 as we > do have virtual hosting now which can justify the release bump. Okay, 4.99 and we'll switch to 5.0 when docs will be ready. -- Vlad Seryakov 571 262-8608 office vl...@cr... http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/ |
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From: Zoran V. <zv...@ar...> - 2005-05-04 15:05:12
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Am 04.05.2005 um 16:54 schrieb Vlad Seryakov: >> Any ideas what? Stephen suggested 4.99. Why not use that? Or more=20 >> radically, 5.0 as we >> do have virtual hosting now which can justify the release bump. > > Okay, 4.99 and we'll switch to 5.0 when docs will be ready. > Good. =10I'm still having open discussion with Andreas (Kupries) from = Tcl=20 project about doctools package we could use to write nice-looking docs. I think=20= I will have to speed-up this. Zoran |
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From: Bernd E. <eid...@we...> - 2005-05-05 14:52:11
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> Am 04.05.2005 um 16:45 schrieb Vlad Seryakov: > > We just do not have Web site, at least first page with some details > > would be nice. I guess, hosting on sourceforge gives us html version > > of web page only. > > Bernd can take this on his shoulders, I think. Bernd? Yes. I will set up naviserver the next days on a server already intended for the website. We could use www.servercult.com/naviserver or smth. like that as we have this domain already. But this is not so important as we can change it to whatever whenever we want. I'll keep you up to date. What texts do you think we need for the start (the first promotion)? - Vision/Mission - Background Info - Where to download/How to checkout - development guideline(s) - ... Bernd. |
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From: Zoran V. <zv...@ar...> - 2005-05-10 12:06:38
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Am 05.05.2005 um 16:49 schrieb Bernd Eidenschink: > > Yes. I will set up naviserver the next days on a server already > intended for > the website. We could use www.servercult.com/naviserver or smth. like > that as > we have this domain already. But this is not so important as we can > change it > to whatever whenever we want. > > I'll keep you up to date. What texts do you think we need for the > start (the > first promotion)? > > - Vision/Mission > - Background Info > - Where to download/How to checkout > - development guideline(s) > - ... I believe we can omit all those for the beginning except the "here is the download link to the last release" type of thing. It costs (much) time to get it all written (and maintained) and we are all pretty busy... Zoran |
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From: Bernd E. <eid...@we...> - 2005-05-10 12:48:58
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> I believe we can omit all those for the beginning except the "here is > the > download link to the last release" type of thing. It costs (much) time > to get > it all written (and maintained) and we are all pretty busy... ok. i'll try to set it up today. |
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From: Zoran V. <zv...@ar...> - 2005-05-10 12:59:59
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Am 10.05.2005 um 14:49 schrieb Bernd Eidenschink: > ok. i'll try to set it up today. No rush... keep it easy going :) Zoran |
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From: Stephen D. <sd...@gm...> - 2005-05-11 17:08:07
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On 5/5/05, Bernd Eidenschink <eid...@we...> wrote: > > Am 04.05.2005 um 16:45 schrieb Vlad Seryakov: > > > We just do not have Web site, at least first page with some details > > > would be nice. I guess, hosting on sourceforge gives us html version > > > of web page only. > > > > Bernd can take this on his shoulders, I think. Bernd? >=20 > Yes. I will set up naviserver the next days on a server already intended = for > the website. We could use www.servercult.com/naviserver or smth. like tha= t as > we have this domain already. But this is not so important as we can chang= e it > to whatever whenever we want. >=20 > I'll keep you up to date. What texts do you think we need for the start (= the > first promotion)? >=20 > - Vision/Mission > - Background Info > - Where to download/How to checkout > - development guideline(s) > - ... >=20 > Bernd. Hi! I hate to say so at this late stage, but would it be possible to keep everything on Source Forge? The nice thing about SF is that it's all managed for us. If a hard drive dies, we won't even notice. Any one of us can get busy/knocked over by a bus, without affecting any one else. We all allready have logins, and it's easy to add more, etc... Vlad raises a good point: is SF limeted to static files only? We get PHP out of the box, a MySQL database, and a few hundred megs of storage. I believe they're open to adding more stuff if we need it. Regarding the content, at this early stage we don't have a lot. In my ideal world we'd have a very focused front page with a message of why naviserver is interesting. Then we'd have a simple template we could pour the other content into as we generate it. I'm thinking about something like these: http://www.newsfirerss.com/ http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ It's blog-template-like in style with a big splashy graphic, but it's extremely direct: here's the product (often a screen shot), here's a big ol' download button, here's a tag line and a description, we're at version X. Things like forum postings and press releases are not bubbled up to the front page. The idea is there are two groups of people you're interested in: those who don't know who you are, and dedicated followers. Your dedicated followers will be subscribed to the mailing list and watch the bug tracker. The goal is to turn newbies into dedicated followers.=20 Therefore, the front page is for impressing newbies. Besides, designing the above is much more fun than designing a portal-like page ;-) Just MHO... |
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From: Bernd E. <eid...@we...> - 2005-05-11 17:38:37
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Hi Stephen, > I hate to say so at this late stage, but would it be possible to keep > everything on Source Forge? :-) I would suggest to let Source Forge do the stuff you mentioned, the hard work of managing mirrored downloads, cvs, bug tracking etc. >The goal is to turn newbies into dedicated followers. >Therefore, the front page is for impressing newbies. Right. But an impressing frontpage is no matter of the underlying technology. It should be something different, more flexible, more impressing than what exists so far for the servers direct competitor ;-) The website is soon to be finished, let's see how to improve it at that time. (Btw: if it will turn out to be unstable, unnecessary etc. then switch back to SF, of course!). Regards, Bernd. |
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From: Stephen D. <sd...@gm...> - 2005-05-11 16:30:47
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Hi. There's a couple of things I've been working on which I though would be good additions for a first release, but I ran into a few problems and I haven't time to get them working. So if y'all are happy to cut a tarball now, that's fine with me. Re the numbering, I thought 4.99.0 suggested we're making pre-releases towards 5.0.0. How about we use even/odd unstable/stable releases?=20 i.e. when 5.0 is done we move to 5.1 immediately, make a number of 5.1.x releases, and when it's stable release 5.2.0. We need to tag and branch. We'd tag odd releases, branch even ones.=20 Odd releases are test releases, no promises. Even releases are stable releases, we may decide to backport bug fixes etc. We tag naviserver_4_99_0, we branch naviserver_5_0_0, we tag naviserver_5_0_1, we tag naviserver_5_1_13, we branch naviserver_5_2_0 ... ~ One thing it would be nice to have is a 'make dist' target. You really want the version number embedded in the configure script for that. Then you want to derive the version info in the header from that same number, rather than rely on manual syncronization. Which is a great oppertunity to introduce a config.h header and revamp the build system, including standard install paths. But then you need to teach the server init system how to find and load modules, and that code is completely broken. Hey, I got carried away :-) I'll try and break some of that up into sensible chunks early on for 4.99.1= . On 5/4/05, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote: > Hi friends, >=20 > I have updated our product to use NaviServer now. It will be > distributed as > update to about 500 installations worldwide. > I have tested it thoroughly and apart from the (already noted) > ns_urlencode > (incompatibility) it seems that other things are backward-compatible > with the > aolserver. We still do not use any new features, though. This will be > added > as we pass first field-tests. >=20 > I could use this occasion to raise the "are we about to make a release" > question > again. As it seems, it would be fine for us to tag the CVS and make a > tarball. > What do you think? If yes, which version? 4.99? >=20 > Zoran |
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From: Stephen D. <sd...@gm...> - 2005-06-08 16:44:23
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On 5/4/05, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote: > Hi friends, > > ... > > I could use this occasion to raise the "are we about to make a release" > question > again. As it seems, it would be fine for us to tag the CVS and make a > tarball. > What do you think? If yes, which version? 4.99? >=20 > Zoran Hey all. I've made some build chages lately but email notifications were busted at the time so you might not have noticed. Here's a tarball I made by cvs exporting HEAD and running make dist: http://groks.org/naviserver-4.99.0.tar.gz If this looks good, I'll tag it and release it to the file download section of the site. So, make sure it still builds ok and check the NEWS file. |
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From: Bernd E. <eid...@we...> - 2005-06-09 06:10:08
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Hi Stephen, > http://groks.org/naviserver-4.99.0.tar.gz > > If this looks good, I'll tag it and release it to the file download > section of the site. So, make sure it still builds ok and check the > NEWS file. The NEWS file is great, everything put together at a glance. I put it on the website. Your naviserver-4.99.0.tar.gz configured,maked and compiled well on my SuSE 9.2. Bernd. |
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