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From: Jan D. <ja...@ja...> - 2009-11-10 15:20:53
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Hello: Today I am announcing a series of blog posts about my views on HDL Design, hosted on the Sigasi website. If you are interested, here is the page: http://www.sigasi.com/JanHDL and the RSS feed: http://www.sigasi.com/taxonomy/term/52/0/feed Jan -- Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com |
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From: Christopher F. <cf...@uc...> - 2009-11-11 00:33:49
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Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. This leads to an interesting question, which is your preference, MyHDL design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope that doesn't put you on the spot)? Chris On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jan Decaluwe <ja...@ja...> wrote: > Hello: > > Today I am announcing a series of blog posts about my > views on HDL Design, hosted on the Sigasi website. > > If you are interested, here is the page: > http://www.sigasi.com/JanHDL > and the RSS feed: > http://www.sigasi.com/taxonomy/term/52/0/feed > > Jan > > -- > Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com > Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org > VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com > Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com > World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > myhdl-list mailing list > myh...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list > |
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From: David B. <dav...@ya...> - 2009-11-11 02:42:20
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To All, I will be utilizing the Sigasi environment for the testing of VHDL source code that has been generated both both the ImpulseC and MyHDL software entities !! Is anyone interested in my results ?? David Blubaugh --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...> wrote: From: Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...> Subject: Re: [myhdl-list] [Announce] Jan on HDL Design To: ja...@ja..., "General discussions on MyHDL" <myh...@li...> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:33 PM Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. This leads to an interesting question, which is your preference, MyHDL design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope that doesn't put you on the spot)? Chris On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jan Decaluwe <ja...@ja...> wrote: Hello: Today I am announcing a series of blog posts about my views on HDL Design, hosted on the Sigasi website. If you are interested, here is the page: http://www.sigasi.com/JanHDL and the RSS feed: http://www.sigasi.com/taxonomy/term/52/0/feed Jan -- Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list |
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From: Christopher F. <chr...@gm...> - 2009-11-18 15:45:08
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> I will be utilizing the Sigasi environment for the testing of VHDL source > code that has been generated both both the ImpulseC and MyHDL software > entities !! > > Is anyone interested in my results ?? > Yes, I think it would be interesting to see the results for a MyHDL versus ImpulseC implementation for a particular design. I think most of the MyHDL community would find the results interesting. Can you post them to this mail group? .chris > > > David Blubaugh > > > > > > > > --- On *Tue, 11/10/09, Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...>* wrote: > > > From: Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...> > Subject: Re: [myhdl-list] [Announce] Jan on HDL Design > To: ja...@ja..., "General discussions on MyHDL" < > myh...@li...> > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:33 PM > > Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. > This leads to an interesting question, which is your preference, MyHDL > design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope that doesn't put you on > the spot)? > > Chris > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jan Decaluwe <ja...@ja...<http://us.mc327.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ja...@ja...> > > wrote: > >> Hello: >> >> Today I am announcing a series of blog posts about my >> views on HDL Design, hosted on the Sigasi website. >> >> If you are interested, here is the page: >> http://www.sigasi.com/JanHDL >> and the RSS feed: >> http://www.sigasi.com/taxonomy/term/52/0/feed >> >> Jan >> >> -- >> Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com >> Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org >> VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com >> Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com >> World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> myhdl-list mailing list >> myh...@li...<http://us.mc327.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=myh...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list >> > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > myhdl-list mailing list > myh...@li...<http://us.mc327.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=myh...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > myhdl-list mailing list > myh...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list > > |
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From: David B. <dav...@ya...> - 2009-11-18 19:16:26
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Yes, I will provide the results. Which studies and which designs would you like to see to be implemented??? David --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> wrote: From: Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> Subject: Re: [myhdl-list] Sagasi Testing for ImpulseC generated VHDL source code To: "General discussions on MyHDL" <myh...@li...> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:45 AM I will be utilizing the Sigasi environment for the testing of VHDL source code that has been generated both both the ImpulseC and MyHDL software entities !! Is anyone interested in my results ?? Yes, I think it would be interesting to see the results for a MyHDL versus ImpulseC implementation for a particular design. I think most of the MyHDL community would find the results interesting. Can you post them to this mail group? .chris David Blubaugh --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...> wrote: From: Christopher Felton <cf...@uc...> Subject: Re: [myhdl-list] [Announce] Jan on HDL Design To: ja...@ja..., "General discussions on MyHDL" <myh...@li...> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:33 PM Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. This leads to an interesting question, which is your preference, MyHDL design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope that doesn't put you on the spot)? Chris On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jan Decaluwe <ja...@ja...> wrote: Hello: Today I am announcing a series of blog posts about my views on HDL Design, hosted on the Sigasi website. If you are interested, here is the page: http://www.sigasi.com/JanHDL and the RSS feed: http://www.sigasi.com/taxonomy/term/52/0/feed Jan -- Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ myhdl-list mailing list myh...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list |
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From: Jan D. <ja...@ja...> - 2009-11-11 14:06:15
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Christopher Felton wrote: > Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and > opinions. This leads to an interesting question, which is your > preference, MyHDL design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope > that doesn't put you on the spot)? Without constraints I would obviously choose MyHDL as the first option, if only to get the bugs out of my own stuff :-) However, note that even then I will likely need VHDL in the process: as the result from MyHDL, to integrate with 3rd party stuff, to synthesize from. From now on, I would always use Sigasi HDT to support that work. Note also that I could use refactoring e.g. to create hierarchy out of a flat design from the MyHDL convertor. MyHDL and VHDL should not be viewed as opponents. MyHDL's main inspiration is obviously VHDL. MyHDL can be viewed as VHDL's "scripting companion". I have a lot to thank to VHDL, but I've written so much of it already that it's also a simple matter of not getting bored! It's true however that Sigasi HDT makes it much more fun again. It avoids most of the boring stuff. I don't think my own situation is that relevant however. I believe that MyHDL (or at least its concepts) has a good future in the longer term, but there's also the short and medium term to take care of. There you have all kind of constraints, personal preferences, company policies etc. Realistically people in different situations need different solutions, and for me it's not a contradiction to work on various fronts of progress. Jan -- Jan Decaluwe - Resources bvba - http://www.jandecaluwe.com Python as a HDL: http://www.myhdl.org VHDL development, the modern way: http://www.sigasi.com Analog design automation: http://www.mephisto-da.com World-class digital design: http://www.easics.com |
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From: Christopher F. <cf...@uc...> - 2009-11-11 21:02:38
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Jan Decaluwe <ja...@ja...> wrote: > Christopher Felton wrote: > > Thanks for the link, I am always interested in your thoughts and > > opinions. This leads to an interesting question, which is your > > preference, MyHDL design or VHDL with modern development tools (hope > > that doesn't put you on the spot)? > > Without constraints I would obviously choose MyHDL as the first option, > if only to get the bugs out of my own stuff :-) > > However, note that even then I will likely need VHDL in the process: > as the result from MyHDL, to integrate with 3rd party stuff, to > synthesize from. From now on, I would always use Sigasi HDT to > support that work. Note also that I could use refactoring e.g. to > create hierarchy out of a flat design from the MyHDL convertor. > > MyHDL and VHDL should not be viewed as opponents. MyHDL's main > inspiration is obviously VHDL. MyHDL can be viewed as VHDL's > "scripting companion". I have a lot to thank to VHDL, but I've > written so much of it already that it's also a simple matter > of not getting bored! It's true however that Sigasi HDT makes > it much more fun again. It avoids most of the boring stuff. > > I don't think my own situation is that relevant however. I believe > that MyHDL (or at least its concepts) has a good future in the > longer term, but there's also the short and medium term to take > care of. There you have all kind of constraints, personal > preferences, company policies etc. Realistically people in > different situations need different solutions, and for me > it's not a contradiction to work on various fronts of progress. > > Jan > > -- > Thanks for the reply, btw I agree totally. Based on constraints, circumstances, ideologies, etc can/will drive the technology. One thing I did find interesting was the idea of refactoring the generated VHDL. That appears breaks the philosophy previously held, the output is more of an intermediate form not required to be tampered with. The idea of not modifying the generated HDL in itself doesn't prevent integration with legacy VHDL/Verilog. So, is it more as a debug / analysis tool? The refactoring would have to be complete on each new generation of the hdl, correct? Thanks again, .Chris |
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