Re: [myhdl-list] MEP : Signal Containers

[Tom D. <td...@di...>]

Thanks for taking the time to pick this nonsense apart.

I am still waiting for an example before I am willing to pay attention.



On 06/03/2012 07:14 AM, Jan Decaluwe wrote:
> On 06/03/2012 03:01 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
>> On 6/2/12 4:57 PM, G. Andrew Stone wrote:
>>> I mean if there's no spark of interest in the community I do not
>>> have the time to create the "mind-share"
>> Everything you say totally resonates with me.  Every time I see your
>> name, I read the posting carefully.  I cannot say that for all of the
>> posters.
> You certainly don't read mine. I have tried painstakingly to
> point out all the errors and misconceptions in your mind, but you
> keep repeating the same nonsense.
>
>> There really are different world views in this world.  No
>> point arguing them.
> You don't seem to listen, that's the real problem.
>
>> I also have little interest in evangelizing this stuff.   I just get too
>> much crap for speaking my mind.
> That's because it's mostly nonsense, and you appear unwilling to
> do anything about it.
>
>>   Actually I think it is really good to
>> have different points of view.  And one needs not only software
>> developers on a project but also marketing people who try to figure out
>> how to simplify the technologies, not make them more complex.
>> But others disagree.
> No, no one will disagree with that. We will probably disagree
> violently on who's the right person to do so however.
> (BTW I know it's not me.)
>
> Furthermore: things should me made as simple as possible,
> but not simpler. (Einstein.)
>
>> I am just grateful I have not been kicked off the mailing list.  I am
>> pleased if I have stirred some discussion.
>>
>> Anyhow I have spoken my mind at
>>
>> http://wiki.myhdlclass.com:8080/
> Just when one thinks one has seen the worst, it gets worse.
>
> All the nonsense about MyHDL is still there - mostly completely
> wrong and I explained it several times.
>
> Now let's move to what you try to tell us I think - how to use
> object-orientation in hardware design.
>
> I think you are totally confused. Apparently you think a class
> hierarchy can be mapped to hardware hierarchy, just because both
> use the word "hierarchy". Apparently you think that connectivity
> can be magically implemented by subclassing. And apparently you still
> don't understand why MyHDL uses generators.
>
> Of course, you could have found this out yourself by simply
> creating one small working example. But apparently it was
> even too much to fire up a Python interpreter to run some
> minimal checks on your code.
>
> This what I find unbelievable: at about 1 error per line
> (sometimes 2) this code seems to be written by a total newbie
> in Python and object-orientation. You don't know how to
> create a class in Python. You don't know how to use the
> "self" argument at all. And above all, it seems you don't understand
> the Python scoping rules, see the Clock example. Try to get this
> to work, and you may understand what I mean with "connectivity".
>
> Really, what were you thinking? That we are complete idiots
> here and that you would get away with this? And where does
> this arrogance come from that you think you should teach us
> lessons in object-orientation and writing quality code?
>
>> I think you have a lot of good ideas to add.  I would love to see you
>> edit that wiki.   Some day I may read through all your  email postings.
>> May I copy them, at least this one, to the wiki under creative commons
>> license?
>>
>> I will come back to implementing the code one day.  My belief is that if
>> you get the right abstractions implementing the code is quite easy.  In
>> fact complex code, is a sign of bad abstractions,
> I suggest to fix your code now, or get it off the web immediately.
> Your reputation of "experienced Python programmer" is at stake.
>
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