Re: [myhdl-list] Starting over
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Re: [myhdl-list] Starting over
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From: David G. <dsg...@gm...> - 2012-04-26 03:57:57
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Hey, I'm sorry about that. I thought I was clicking reply--I meant to keep that off-list. Please accept my apologies, for you were the unintended recipients. I was not trying to advertise, and I do not recommend my own solution (yet). Sorry, David On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> wrote: >> On 04/22/2012 01:02 PM, David Greenberg wrote: >>> Hi Bob, >>> I wanted to let you know about my own solution to this problem, a >>> language embedded in Clojure called Piplin. I initially sought to use >>> MyHDL for some of the reasons you did (integration ease) and some >>> other reasons (leveraging type systems and new syntax to improve >>> expressiveness). Yesterday, I successfully synthesized the code to >>> verilog. I've implemented the type system and simulator too, but >>> there's a lot of work to be done. Since it's embedded in Java, it's >>> easy to use all kinds of numerical libraries and integrate with many >>> systems. Here's the code: github.com/dgrnbrg/piplin >>> >> Hi David, >> >> I have negligible experience with Clojure, possibly because it >> resurrects my Lisp nightmares of paren counting and infinite >> recursion through tangled lists. >> >> I will take a look at your project as soon as time permits, which >> unfortunately may not be until next weekend. I am motivated to see >> how you have approached the general issue, and what factors have >> shaped your particular approach. >> >> Most of all, thanks for your supportive reply! I really hate >> criticizing Jan, especially when I know I'm trying to do battle >> unarmed. Yet I'm light-years away from even formulating, much less >> implementing, my own solution to the problem. So I'm highly >> motivated to learn what others, such as you, are doing. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -BobC > > Some of Peter Novig's comments on different programming languages I have > found informative. Although the following is a quote of a paraphrase I > think it captures some related points. > > """ > Peter made, primarily that Python is very effective, very expressive, > and can cut out a lot of the bullshit that most Java programmers deal > with on a regular basis. > """ > > I think the same could be said for lisp on-top of Java (or whatever the > hell Clojure is). > > As mentioned numerous times in this thread and Jan D. stated eloquently > in one of the latest replies. No one is trying to discourage other > projects or experimenting with different languages, levels of > abstraction, new feature, etc. > > The following line from Jan's response I think describes many of the > conversations (or lack of). > >> I am therefore frustrated by the fact that I hear all kinds >> of opinions and suggestions to "merge" but that whenever things >> get a little technical then the "I am a beginner" umbrella opens. > > In the above replace "merge" with "add XYZ language feature". There are > periodic suggestions to the newsgroup to add the latest high-level > abstraction method. But after the initial "You really should have ..." > or better "I really need ..." the potentially great conversations fade, > why? > > Personally, I am disappointed that this newsgroup has been infiltrated > with a number of "hey people that follow MyHDL come check out my ...". > I just don't see this in other Project specific mailing-lists. I think > open conversation why 'X' is better than 'Y' is always great. Let the > learning and growing flow. > > What could have been useful is a discussion, why you didn't think Python > was the correct platform for your project. And why a functional > language serves your goals better Python or existing functional language > HDLs like Lava. Then you could have advertised another project, gave > useful feedback to this project, and possibly had some great and > educational conversations. > > Regards, > Chris > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > myhdl-list mailing list > myh...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/myhdl-list |
