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Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[Beni C. <cb...@te...>]

On 2003-01-06, MINAMI Hirokazu wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:55:48 +0200 (IST)
> Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:
>
> > On 2003-01-05, MINAMI Hirokazu wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:03:59 +0200 (IST)
> > > Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't seem to get mlterm to read hebrew characters from my keyboard.I
> > > > don't run any XIM servers, just plain xkb.xterm in utf-8 mode works
> > > > perfectly.I have PC with RedHat 8.0 (XFree86 4.*) - my locale is
> > > > en_US.utf-8.Display andcut/paste of hebrew work fine (including bidi).
> > >
> > > Do you have a reason not to use XIM?
> > >
> > Never thought I have a reason to use it.After all, xkb solves the issue
> > for all programs, why do I need to run some special server then?
>
> As youhave mentioned that XOpenIM was never called,
> I'm assuming that you are explicitly disabling XIM.
> Is this correct?
>
> Without XIM, mlterm cannot can only use XLookupString() to convert keysyms.
> As XLookupString only supports Latin-1 and Hebrew is notcovered by Latin-1,
> I don't think you can input hebrew without using X(mb|utf8)LookupString.
> Those functions require IC(input context) and to call XCreateIC(),
> we need valid XIM.
>
Yes, this is more or less what I figured out.  The IC pointer is
definitely NULL (but I'm not 100% sure that OpenXIM wasn't executed, I
only tried to step around there in the debugger once) so it can't work.
So I need to open some "default" XIM (when I said I use no XIM I meant
that I don't excplicitly run XIM servers; I have very little knowledge of
XIM internals).  I didn't explicitly disable XIM however; I also tried to
excplicitly enable -X and/or -i, with no effect.

-- 
Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@tx...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[MINAMI H. <mi...@ch...>]

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:55:48 +0200 (IST)
Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:

> On 2003-01-05, MINAMI Hirokazu wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:03:59 +0200 (IST)
> > Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't seem to get mlterm to read hebrew characters from my keyboard.I
> > > don't run any XIM servers, just plain xkb.xterm in utf-8 mode works
> > > perfectly.I have PC with RedHat 8.0 (XFree86 4.*) - my locale is
> > > en_US.utf-8.Display and cut/paste of hebrew work fine (including bidi).
> >
> > Do you have a reason not to use XIM?
> >
> Never thought I have a reason to use it.  After all, xkb solves the issue
> for all programs, why do I need to run some special server then?

As you have mentioned that XOpenIM was never called,
I'm assuming that you are explicitly disabling XIM.
Is this correct? 

Without XIM, mlterm cannot can only use XLookupString() to convert keysyms.
As XLookupString only supports Latin-1 and Hebrew is not covered by Latin-1,
I don't think you can input hebrew without using X(mb|utf8)LookupString.
Those functions require IC(input context) and to call XCreateIC(),
we need valid XIM. 

minami

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[Ambrose Li <a....@ie...>]

On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:55:48PM +0200, Beni Cherniavsky
wrote:

> On 2003-01-05, MINAMI Hirokazu wrote:
>
> > Do you have a reason not to use XIM?
>
> Never thought I have a reason to use it.  After all, xkb
> solves the issue for all programs, why do I need to run some
> special server then?

I think this is the same bug as "accented characters don't
work".  Which version of mlterm are you using?

(Or is the fix for accented characters not yet integrated into a
release?)

IIRC I believe somewhere during the discussion of accented
characters it was mentioned that if you set XMODIFIERS=@im=none,
you are still using XIM, even though it is just a "default" XIM...


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Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[Beni C. <cb...@te...>]

On 2003-01-05, MINAMI Hirokazu wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:03:59 +0200 (IST)
> Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:
>
> > I don't seem to get mlterm to read hebrew characters from my keyboard.I
> > don't run any XIM servers, just plain xkb.xterm in utf-8 mode works
> > perfectly.I have PC with RedHat 8.0 (XFree86 4.*) - my locale is
> > en_US.utf-8.Display and cut/paste of hebrew work fine (including bidi).
>
> Do you have a reason not to use XIM?
>
Never thought I have a reason to use it.  After all, xkb solves the issue
for all programs, why do I need to run some special server then?

> If your mlterm was configured with XIM and XOpenIM() is failing,
> setting XMODIFIERS to @im=none may help you.
>
It's already set up so.

-- 
Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@tx...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[MINAMI H. <mi...@ch...>]

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:03:59 +0200 (IST)
Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@te...> wrote:

> I don't seem to get mlterm to read hebrew characters from my keyboard.  I
> don't run any XIM servers, just plain xkb.  xterm in utf-8 mode works
> perfectly.  I have PC with RedHat 8.0 (XFree86 4.*) - my locale is
> en_US.utf-8.  Display and cut/paste of hebrew work fine (including bidi).

Do you have a reason not to use XIM?

If your mlterm was configured with XIM and XOpenIM() is failing,
setting XMODIFIERS to @im=none may help you. 

regards,

minami

[Mlterm-dev-en] mlterm doesn't work with xkb?

[Beni C. <cb...@te...>]

[New to the list, mlterm is generally great!-]

I don't seem to get mlterm to read hebrew characters from my keyboard.  I
don't run any XIM servers, just plain xkb.  xterm in utf-8 mode works
perfectly.  I have PC with RedHat 8.0 (XFree86 4.*) - my locale is
en_US.utf-8.  Display and cut/paste of hebrew work fine (including bidi).

Is xkb known to work or not to work?  I'm trying to debug it now but I
don't understand yet what's happening.  Seems that x_xic_get_utf8_str and
friends do nothing useful because the input context pointer is NULL,
because the code to XOpenIM is never reached, because...  I'm very new to
all input handling in X so I'm not sure how it should really work...

For myself, I've fixed this with a dirty hack: I took, from latest xterm
distribution, keysym2ucs.[hc] and xutf8.[hc] which implement a simulation
of Xutf8LookupString using a lookup table (and ignoring the ic argument),
and stuck a call into it instead of return 0 in x_xic_get_utf8_str when ic
is NULL...  mlterm works nicely for me now but I know this is not the
Right Way because xterm itself doesn't use it (XFree86 has
Xutf8LookupString, I actually had to disable the #ifndefs in these files
to enable the table-based implementation despite this)...

-- 
Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@tx...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] A wish - profiles

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: [Mlterm-dev-en] A wish - profiles
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:23:34 +0100 (CET)

> I have one wish - it would be nice to have the possibility of making several
> different configurations of mlterm and selecting the right one easily with a
> command line option. The simplest way would be selecting the configuration
> directory (other than ~/.mlterm) on command line.

        OK.
        I'll try to support it in the next release.

        Regards,
	
--
Araki Ken
ara...@us...

[Mlterm-dev-en] A wish - profiles

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Hi,

I have one wish - it would be nice to have the possibility of making several
different configurations of mlterm and selecting the right one easily with a
command line option. The simplest way would be selecting the configuration
directory (other than ~/.mlterm) on command line.

Am I missing some similar feature which is already available?

Regards

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Araki Ken (2002-12-15 16:09 +0900):

> > now it works well when I copy text from one window to another (does not depend
> > on terminal types), but it still does not work when I paste text selected in
> > the same window, especially in joe editor.
>
>         Oh, sorry. I made a careless mistake.
>
>         Now, the attached final patch(diff from CVS current) will fix it.
>         I merged it to CVS repository.

Yes, it looks good! :-)

Thank you.

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:34:14 +0100 (CET)

>>         I believe the attached patch will fix this problem.
>>         This patch is already merged to CVS repository.
>
> now it works well when I copy text from one window to another (does not depend
> on terminal types), but it still does not work when I paste text selected in
> the same window, especially in joe editor.

        Oh, sorry. I made a careless mistake.

        Now, the attached final patch(diff from CVS current) will fix it.
        I merged it to CVS repository.

        Regards,
	
--
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ara...@us...

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Hi,

Araki Ken (2002-12-14 14:51 +0900):

> >> Now I've found out that I have the problem only when pasting to specific
> >> programs - joe and pine's pico does not work but cat, vi and vim work. Both,
> >> pico and joe work well in xterm.
> >
> >         Thanks, I could reproduce it:)
> >         I'll look into this problem from now on, please wait for a while.
>
>         I believe the attached patch will fix this problem.
>         This patch is already merged to CVS repository.

now it works well when I copy text from one window to another (does not depend
on terminal types), but it still does not work when I paste text selected in
the same window, especially in joe editor.

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text
	From: Araki Ken <ara...@us...>
	Message-ID: <200...@pd...>
	Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:04:28 +0900

>> Now I've found out that I have the problem only when pasting to specific
>> programs - joe and pine's pico does not work but cat, vi and vim work. Both,
>> pico and joe work well in xterm.
>
>         Thanks, I could reproduce it:)
>         I'll look into this problem from now on, please wait for a while.

        I believe the attached patch will fix this problem.
        This patch is already merged to CVS repository.

        Regards,
	
--
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ara...@us...

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:09:46 +0100 (CET)

> Now I've found out that I have the problem only when pasting to specific
> programs - joe and pine's pico does not work but cat, vi and vim work. Both,
> pico and joe work well in xterm.

        Thanks, I could reproduce it:)
        I'll look into this problem from now on, please wait for a while.

        Regards,
	
--
Araki Ken
ara...@us...

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Araki Ken (2002-12-13 22:10 +0900):

> > Strange. Could the behavior depend on something else?
>
>         Well... will you show me what will be output if you apply an attached
>         patch and paste the text into mlterm?

While pasting:

aaa bbb ccc
ddd eee
fff

it writes:

61 61 61 20 62 62 62 20 63 63 63 0a 64 64 64 20 65 65 65 0a 66 66 66 0a

Now I've found out that I have the problem only when pasting to specific
programs - joe and pine's pico does not work but cat, vi and vim work. Both,
pico and joe work well in xterm. Am I right when I suppose the problem to be
in my termcap?

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:57:41 +0100 (CET)

> It does not seem to depend on the source of the text (I have tested mlterm,
> xterm and opera). It happens even when I run mlterm the way you described
> above and without ~/.mlterm. In /usr/X11R6/etc/mlterm/main there is only:
>
> scrollbar_view_name=sample

        Really? Hmm... what a strange phenomenon:(

> Strange. Could the behavior depend on something else?

        Well... will you show me what will be output if you apply an attached
        patch and paste the text into mlterm?
	
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ara...@us...

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Araki Ken (2002-12-13 21:35 +0900):

> > pasting of text in mlterm discards end-of-line characters. E.g. when i select
> > the following text with mouse:
> >
> > ---
> > aaa bbb ccc
> > ddd eee
> > fff
> > ---
> >
> > and then I paste it in mlterm the result is e.g.:
> >
> > ---
> > aaa bbb cccddd eeefff
> > ---
> >
> > The result seems to depend a little on mlterm's configuration - the result
> > above was obtained with C locale and no XIM. The problem is in pasting only -
> > selecting text in mlterm and pasting to xterm works well.
>
>         Does it happen only when the text is pasted from mlterm to mlterm?
>         Hmm... in my environment it works fine even if I start mlterm as follows.
>
>         $ LC_CTYPE=C XMODIFIERS="" mlterm -X=false -i=false
>
>         Will you show me your ~/.mlterm/main?

It does not seem to depend on the source of the text (I have tested mlterm,
xterm and opera). It happens even when I run mlterm the way you described
above and without ~/.mlterm. In /usr/X11R6/etc/mlterm/main there is only:

scrollbar_view_name=sample

Strange. Could the behavior depend on something else?

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: [Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:50:47 +0100 (CET)

> pasting of text in mlterm discards end-of-line characters. E.g. when i select
> the following text with mouse:
>
> ---
> aaa bbb ccc
> ddd eee
> fff
> ---
>
> and then I paste it in mlterm the result is e.g.:
>
> ---
> aaa bbb cccddd eeefff
> ---
>
> The result seems to depend a little on mlterm's configuration - the result
> above was obtained with C locale and no XIM. The problem is in pasting only -
> selecting text in mlterm and pasting to xterm works well.

        Does it happen only when the text is pasted from mlterm to mlterm?
        Hmm... in my environment it works fine even if I start mlterm as follows.

        $ LC_CTYPE=C XMODIFIERS="" mlterm -X=false -i=false

        Will you show me your ~/.mlterm/main?
        YFI, I attach my ~/.mlterm/main file.

        Regards,
--
Araki Ken
ara...@us...

[Mlterm-dev-en] Incorrect pasting of text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Hi,

pasting of text in mlterm discards end-of-line characters. E.g. when i select
the following text with mouse:

---
aaa bbb ccc
ddd eee
fff
---

and then I paste it in mlterm the result is e.g.:

---
aaa bbb cccddd eeefff
---

The result seems to depend a little on mlterm's configuration - the result
above was obtained with C locale and no XIM. The problem is in pasting only -
selecting text in mlterm and pasting to xterm works well.

Regards

Martin

[Mlterm-dev-en] Re: Cursor gets lost in highlighted text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Araki Ken (2002-12-11 21:53 +0900):

> > I noticed your reply to my e-mail on the list's web interface but I did not
> > get it as I was not subscribed to the list. Now I am subscribed -
> > would you be so kind to send me the patch once again?
>
>         Oh, I'm very sorry.
>         I attach it again.
>
>         Otherwise, this fix was already committed to CVS repository.

It works as expected. :-)

Thank you.

Martin

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] disable scroll-to-bottom on TTY output?

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

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[Mlterm-dev-en] Ready?

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[Mlterm-dev-en] disable scroll-to-bottom on TTY output?

[<su...@ya...>]

Hi there,

Can mlterm 2.6.2 disable the scroll-to-bottom on TTY
output? What I want is that output to a window should
not automatically reposition the screen to the bottom
of the scrolling region.

I know xterm has the option -si|+si to toggle. But I
didn't fine the equivalent in mlterm.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] Cursor gets lost in highlighted text

[Araki K. <ara...@us...>]

	Hi,

	Subject: [Mlterm-dev-en] Cursor gets lost in highlighted text
	From: Martin Horcicka <hor...@Fr...>
	Message-ID: <200...@du...>
	Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:06:59 +0100 (CET)

> I have another (but much smaller) problem with mlterm. When I have e.g. white
> background and black foregroung colors and I move cursor (which has reverse
> colors) to a block of highlighted text (which has also reverse colors) I
> cannot see the current cursor's position. XTerm reverses cursor's color in
> highlighted text but mlterm does not.

        An attached patch will fix this problem.
        
        Regards,
	
--
Araki Ken
ara...@us...

[Mlterm-dev-en] I'm surprised at it

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[Mlterm-dev-en] Cursor gets lost in highlighted text

[Martin H. <hor...@Fr...>]

Hi,

I have another (but much smaller) problem with mlterm. When I have e.g. white
background and black foregroung colors and I move cursor (which has reverse
colors) to a block of highlighted text (which has also reverse colors) I
cannot see the current cursor's position. XTerm reverses cursor's color in
highlighted text but mlterm does not.

Is there any way to change it by configuration? I have not found anything in
manual page.

Thanks.

Martin