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#324 Greyed-out image of Ravel on load

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5SlightlyUrgent
2024-08-12
2023-02-09
Steve Keen
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An empty Ravel in Edit is somewhat uninformative to a new user: Just a square with a circle in the middle. It would help if the default had a shadowed-out rendition of (say) a 4D-Ravel with calipers on one axis. That would give the user an idea of what this unfamiliar object is,

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  • High Performance Coder

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    • Steve Keen

      Steve Keen - 2024-08-12

      OK, but I have to sheepishly say... that I think my idea of a "greyed out"
      Ravel when there are more than six dimensions was a mistake--or rather a
      relic of when the angles of the axis labels and the text clashed with each
      other. This is now an annoyance when I load the BIS debt data for a video,
      since it come in as seven dimensions. I have to reduce by at least one
      dimension before what a Ravel looks like is obvious in a recording.

      Could this effect be bumped up to say ten dimensions, as a temporary fix?

       
      • High Performance Coder

        On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 07:24:01AM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

        OK, but I have to sheepishly say... that I think my idea of a "greyed out"
        Ravel when there are more than six dimensions was a mistake--or rather a
        relic of when the angles of the axis labels and the text clashed with each
        other. This is now an annoyance when I load the BIS debt data for a video,
        since it come in as seven dimensions. I have to reduce by at least one
        dimension before what a Ravel looks like is obvious in a recording.

        Could this effect be bumped up to say ten dimensions, as a temporary fix?

        That's not what this ticket was about. It was about an initial display
        of something so that users weren't facing the empty circle.

        Re the number of dimensions before fading them out and not displaying
        slice labels etc, I'm pretty sure we determined empirically that six
        dimensions was about all that you could display fully annotated
        without the display getting too confusing.

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        • Steve Keen

          Steve Keen - 2024-08-12

          Yeah, but now with the improvements we made to axis labelling and such in
          the last year, six is no longer the maximum. I'd say it's about ten. Can
          that parameter value be changed in the code? At some point, we could make
          it a user-option, but in trying to show off Ravel in social media posts,
          the faded display is more of a hindrance than a help.

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          On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 9:57 AM High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

          On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 07:24:01AM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

          OK, but I have to sheepishly say... that I think my idea of a "greyed out"
          Ravel when there are more than six dimensions was a mistake--or rather a
          relic of when the angles of the axis labels and the text clashed with each
          other. This is now an annoyance when I load the BIS debt data for a video,
          since it come in as seven dimensions. I have to reduce by at least one
          dimension before what a Ravel looks like is obvious in a recording.

          Could this effect be bumped up to say ten dimensions, as a temporary fix?

          That's not what this ticket was about. It was about an initial display
          of something so that users weren't facing the empty circle.

          Re the number of dimensions before fading them out and not displaying
          slice labels etc, I'm pretty sure we determined empirically that six
          dimensions was about all that you could display fully annotated
          without the display getting too confusing.

          --

          Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
          Principal, High Performance Coders hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          http://www.hpcoders.com.au



          [ravel:#324] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/324/ Greyed-out
          image of Ravel on load

          Status: closed
          Milestone: Pascal
          Created: Thu Feb 09, 2023 05:43 PM UTC by Steve Keen
          Last Updated: Mon Aug 12, 2024 07:07 AM UTC
          Owner: High Performance Coder

          An empty Ravel in Edit is somewhat uninformative to a new user: Just a
          square with a circle in the middle. It would help if the default had a
          shadowed-out rendition of (say) a 4D-Ravel with calipers on one axis. That
          would give the user an idea of what this unfamiliar object is,


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          • High Performance Coder

            On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 09:07:49AM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

            Yeah, but now with the improvements we made to axis labelling and such in
            the last year, six is no longer the maximum. I'd say it's about ten. Can
            that parameter value be changed in the code? At some point, we could make
            it a user-option, but in trying to show off Ravel in social media posts,
            the faded display is more of a hindrance than a help.

            Of course it is a parameter that can be easily changed to another
            fixed value. Making it a user option is a good idea, but a bit harder
            to implement.

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            Principal, High Performance Coders hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
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            • Steve Keen

              Steve Keen - 2024-08-12

              Let's go for the parameter edit then. Can you bump it up to 10?

              An option can come later, as you say.

              I'm starting social media posts tomorrow BTW. And I might contact a friend
              who runs a game marketing company as well.

               
              • High Performance Coder

                On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:15:10PM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

                Let's go for the parameter edit then. Can you bump it up to 10?

                Done. Version 1.3.1. Click "Upgrade"...

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                • Steve Keen

                  Steve Keen - 2024-08-13

                  I'm only getting Ravel 1.3.0 when I choose Upgrade.

                   
                  • High Performance Coder

                    On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 06:24:20AM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

                    I'm only getting Ravel 1.3.0 when I choose Upgrade.

                    Same here. Not sure why the build process hasn't updated it to
                    3.6.1. Ran out of time today, so I'll look again tomorrow.

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  • High Performance Coder

    We doing this via an exemplar type, borrowed from the ravelation website.

     

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