From: David G. <DGr...@am...> - 2014-05-01 20:17:55
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I'm starting a new thread here, to not hijack the existing thread about the secondary platform situation. What would it take to get a 64-bit MinGW build of gcc going? Would it be reasonable to take the problematic 64-bit patch and do a detailed item-by-item check against publicly-available Microsoft licensed documentation, producing a report which lists a documentation reference for each and every function, procedure, structure, and constant in the patch? |
From: niXman <i.n...@au...> - 2014-05-01 20:23:31
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David Gressett 2014-05-02 00:12: > What would it take to get a 64-bit MinGW build of gcc going? You need to use MinGW-W64: https://sourceforge.net/p/mingw-w64/mailman/message/32287110/ -- Regards, niXman ___________________________________________________ Dual-target(32 & 64-bit) MinGW-W64 compilers for 32 and 64-bit Windows: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw-w64/ ___________________________________________________ Another online IDE: http://liveworkspace.org/ |
From: David G. <DGr...@am...> - 2014-05-01 21:05:09
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niXman wrote: >David Gressett 2014-05-02 00:12: >> What would it take to get a 64-bit MinGW build of gcc going? >You need to use MinGW-W64: That is exactly what I want to avoid. I want to stay carefully within the license limitations defined by Microsoft and I do not have certain knowledge that the MinGW-W64 software is in compliance with the Microsoft license restrictions. I (and the developers of the MinGW compilers supported on this mailing list) want to avoid the painful situation that will develop if somone in the Microsoft legal department drinks too much coffee and decides to go headhunting. It is my opinion that anyone who ignores the Microsoft licences should go to a tattoo parlour and get a dotted line tattooed around his neck with this text tattooed under the line: "Microsoft Lawyers - please cut here. Anaesthesia desirable but not necessary". |
From: Michael G. <mg...@qa...> - 2014-05-01 21:37:54
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> >You need to use MinGW-W64: > That is exactly what I want to avoid. I want to stay carefully > within the license limitations defined by Microsoft and I do not > have certain knowledge that the MinGW-W64 software is > in compliance with the Microsoft license restrictions. > > I (and the developers of the MinGW compilers supported > on this mailing list) want to avoid the painful situation that will > develop if somone in the Microsoft legal department drinks > too much coffee and decides to go headhunting. > > It is my opinion that anyone who ignores the Microsoft > licences should go to a tattoo parlour and get a dotted line > tattooed around his neck with this text tattooed under the > line: "Microsoft Lawyers - please cut here. Anaesthesia desirable > but not necessary". OMG. FUD - is MingW truely in need of this type of advocacy ??? Please either present sound evidence as to the suspicions you raised or just do not spread unfounded doubts. Thank you. Michael -- Michael Gerdau email: mg...@qa... GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2014-05-02 18:26:04
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On 01/05/14 22:18, Michael Gerdau wrote: >> ... I want to stay carefully within the license limitations defined >> by Microsoft and I do not have certain knowledge that the MinGW-W64 >> software is in compliance with the Microsoft license restrictions. > > FUD - is MingW truely in need of this type of advocacy ??? You may wish to dismiss it as such, but caveat emptor. > Please either present sound evidence as to the suspicions you raised > or just do not spread unfounded doubts. Originating, as it did, so soon after the creator of the MinGW-w64 fork offered patches to us, and was asked to submit them for audit, so as to avoid possible infringement of Microsoft's copyright, we must surely conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: Cesar S. <ces...@gm...> - 2014-05-04 01:22:39
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Em 02-05-2014 15:25, Keith Marshall escreveu: > On 01/05/14 22:18, Michael Gerdau wrote: >>> ... I want to stay carefully within the license limitations defined >>> by Microsoft and I do not have certain knowledge that the MinGW-W64 >>> software is in compliance with the Microsoft license restrictions. >> >> FUD - is MingW truely in need of this type of advocacy ??? > > You may wish to dismiss it as such, but caveat emptor. > >> Please either present sound evidence as to the suspicions you raised >> or just do not spread unfounded doubts. > > Originating, as it did, so soon after the creator of the MinGW-w64 fork > offered patches to us, and was asked to submit them for audit, so as to > avoid possible infringement of Microsoft's copyright, we must surely > conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this. > Kai Tietz later offered an explanation, which I find plausible. See: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mingw-w64/wiki/History which points to a more detailed explanation at: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.mingw.devel/3390 Instead of using publicity available documentation, they used a process called "clean-room design", effectively generating their own documentation. According to Wikipedia: "Typically, a clean room design is done by having someone examine the system to be reimplemented and having this person write a specification. This specification is then reviewed by a lawyer to ensure that no copyrighted material is included. The specification is then implemented by a team with no connection to the original examiners." If this procedure was well followed by Kai's team, then this does not indicate a cavalier attitude, just the opposite. According to him, he was not at liberty to disclose this process when the patch was submitted, thus raising our suspicions. Only later, has this come to light. Since the patch was rejected, they decided to fork, to preserve the work done so far. Regards, Cesar |
From: KHMan <kei...@gm...> - 2014-05-04 03:06:52
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On 5/4/2014 9:22 AM, Cesar Strauss wrote: > Em 02-05-2014 15:25, Keith Marshall escreveu: >> On 01/05/14 22:18, Michael Gerdau wrote: >>>> ... I want to stay carefully within the license limitations defined >>>> by Microsoft and I do not have certain knowledge that the MinGW-W64 >>>> software is in compliance with the Microsoft license restrictions. >>> >>> FUD - is MingW truely in need of this type of advocacy ??? >> >> You may wish to dismiss it as such, but caveat emptor. >> >>> Please either present sound evidence as to the suspicions you raised >>> or just do not spread unfounded doubts. >> >> Originating, as it did, so soon after the creator of the MinGW-w64 fork >> offered patches to us, and was asked to submit them for audit, so as to >> avoid possible infringement of Microsoft's copyright, we must surely >> conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this. >> > [snip snip] > If this procedure was well followed by Kai's team, then this does not > indicate a cavalier attitude, just the opposite. My bad for the "cavalier" word, flowery language intrusion. I have nothing against Kai's work from an end user perspective, but all the same from a lurking user's view I didn't think it was best for MinGW to go that way. > According to him, he > was not at liberty to disclose this process when the patch was > submitted, thus raising our suspicions. Only later, has this come to > light. Since the patch was rejected, they decided to fork, to preserve > the work done so far. It was an amazing case of going out on a limb. For example, I would never have worked on patches to be contributed in such a way myself, after all, MinGW's position on header info was well known, solid as granite in my view. Perhaps people who celebrate apps like Napster would call me cowardly or worse, so maybe it's a generation gap thing too. I think a fork was inevitable, I guess having two projects in "different legal baskets" so to speak is best for now. -- Cheers, Kein-Hong Man (esq.) Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
From: Nathan R. <zer...@ho...> - 2014-05-03 00:30:39
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>> Please either present sound evidence as to the suspicions you raised >> or just do not spread unfounded doubts. > > Originating, as it did, so soon after the creator of the MinGW-w64 fork > offered patches to us, and was asked to submit them for audit, so as to > avoid possible infringement of Microsoft's copyright, we must surely > conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this. What does it mean to "submit [patches] for audit"? Who do you submit them to, and what do they do with them? Regards, Nate |
From: Nathan R. <zer...@ho...> - 2014-05-03 02:56:58
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>>> Originating, as it did, so soon after the creator of the MinGW-w64 fork >>> offered patches to us, and was asked to submit them for audit, so as to >>> avoid possible infringement of Microsoft's copyright, we must surely >>> conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this. >> >> What does it mean to "submit [patches] for audit"? Who do you submit >> them to, and what do they do with them? > > You follow the patch submission procedure, as described here: > http://mingw.org/wiki/SubmitPatches > > A project administrator, or authorised package maintainer, will then > review your patches, and decide whether or not they meet the criteria > for acceptance into MinGW.org's code base; one criterion which we will > check is a documentary source, to ensure that we avoid any blatant > copyright infringement. So why not look at the patches that were offered, and arrive at a conclusion about their copyright infringement or lack thereof, on their merits, rather than saying things like "we must surely conclude that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this"? Regards, Nate |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2014-05-03 08:45:34
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On 03/05/14 03:56, Nathan Ridge wrote: > So why not look at the patches that were offered, and arrive at a > conclusion about their copyright infringement or lack thereof, on > their merits, rather than saying things like "we must surely conclude > that his project has a carelessly cavalier attitude to this"? Because, at the time he just threw a huge tarball of all his headers at us; he never broke it down into patches. When politely asked to do so, he just ran off in a sulk, an the next thing we knew, the fork appeared. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: georg c. <geo...@te...> - 2014-05-01 21:20:27
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Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc (i think) now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, which didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g and then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete is this a bug or am I lost ? tnx Georg |
From: Clemens S. <cl...@fh...> - 2014-05-02 05:29:04
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Hi Georg According to http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html it should be still there and not depreciated. Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: > Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc > > > (i think) > > > now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, which > didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) > > then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g and > then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete > > is this a bug or am I lost ? > > tnx Georg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE > Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get > unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. > Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." > http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > Min...@li... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. > > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users > Also: mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe > |
From: georg c. <geo...@te...> - 2014-05-02 05:50:02
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Yes I think soo too, however the c++ compiler barfs and says something like that its an unknown extension to the -g option...... Georg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? > Hi Georg > According to > http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html > it should be still there and not depreciated. > > Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: >> Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc >> >> >> (i think) >> >> >> now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, >> which >> didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) >> >> then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g and >> then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete >> >> is this a bug or am I lost ? >> >> tnx Georg >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get >> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform >> available. >> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs >> _______________________________________________ >> MinGW-users mailing list >> Min...@li... >> >> This list observes the Etiquette found at >> http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. >> We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list >> etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users >> Also: >> mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE > Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get > unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform > available. > Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." > http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > Min...@li... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list > etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. > > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users > Also: mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe |
From: Clemens S. <cl...@fh...> - 2014-05-02 06:03:13
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Check this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14171256/how-to-set-error-message-control-to-verbose-in-mingw On 2014-05-02 07:49, georg chambert wrote: > Yes I think soo too, however the c++ compiler barfs and says something like > that its an unknown > extension to the -g option...... > > Georg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> > To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? > > >> Hi Georg >> According to >> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html >> it should be still there and not depreciated. >> >> Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: >>> Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc >>> >>> >>> (i think) >>> >>> >>> now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, >>> which >>> didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) >>> >>> then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g and >>> then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete >>> >>> is this a bug or am I lost ? >>> >>> tnx Georg >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >>> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get >>> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform >>> available. >>> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MinGW-users mailing list >>> Min...@li... >>> >>> This list observes the Etiquette found at >>> http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. >>> We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list >>> etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users >>> Also: >>> mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get >> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform >> available. >> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs >> _______________________________________________ >> MinGW-users mailing list >> Min...@li... >> >> This list observes the Etiquette found at >> http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. >> We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list >> etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users >> Also: mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE > Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get > unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. > Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." > http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > Min...@li... > > This list observes the Etiquette found at > http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. > We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. > > _______________________________________________ > You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users > Also: mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe > |
From: georg c. <geo...@te...> - 2014-05-02 07:16:26
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Right, that is my problem. But Im not afterr getting more warnings, I want the -gnatv func to get more info on errors, more specifically why the libstdc++ is not resolving referrences. (also i find that the 4.8 version has much worse error tracing/reporting than 2.8, could that be the case ?) tnx Georg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? Check this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14171256/how-to-set-error-message-control-to-verbose-in-mingw On 2014-05-02 07:49, georg chambert wrote: > Yes I think soo too, however the c++ compiler barfs and says something > like > that its an unknown > extension to the -g option...... > > Georg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> > To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? > > >> Hi Georg >> According to >> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html >> it should be still there and not depreciated. >> >> Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: >>> Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc >>> >>> >>> (i think) >>> >>> >>> now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, >>> which >>> didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) >>> >>> then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g >>> and >>> then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete >>> >>> is this a bug or am I lost ? >>> >>> tnx Georg >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >>> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. 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From: Clemens S. <cl...@fh...> - 2014-05-02 18:41:08
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But isn't the point that this doc is for ADA and not applicable for other (e.g. C) compilers of gcc? Maybe that was changed between your old version and the latest one... Am 2014-05-02 09:16, schrieb georg chambert: > Right, that is my problem. But Im not afterr getting more warnings, I want > the -gnatv func > to get more info on errors, more specifically why the libstdc++ is not > resolving referrences. > (also i find that the 4.8 version has much worse error tracing/reporting > than 2.8, could that be the case ?) > > tnx > Georg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> > To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? > > > Check this one: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14171256/how-to-set-error-message-control-to-verbose-in-mingw > > On 2014-05-02 07:49, georg chambert wrote: >> Yes I think soo too, however the c++ compiler barfs and says something >> like >> that its an unknown >> extension to the -g option...... >> >> Georg >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> >> To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> >> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? >> >> >>> Hi Georg >>> According to >>> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html >>> it should be still there and not depreciated. >>> >>> Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: >>>> Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc >>>> >>>> >>>> (i think) >>>> >>>> >>>> now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, >>>> which >>>> didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references in) >>>> >>>> then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g >>>> and >>>> then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete >>>> >>>> is this a bug or am I lost ? >>>> >>>> tnx Georg >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >>>> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get >>>> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform >>>> available. >>>> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MinGW-users mailing list >>>> Min...@li... >>>> >>>> This list observes the Etiquette found at >>>> http://www.mingw.org/Mailing_Lists. >>>> We ask that you be polite and do the same. Disregard for the list >>>> etiquette may cause your account to be moderated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> You may change your MinGW Account Options or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users >>>> Also: >>>> mailto:min...@li...?subject=unsubscribe >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >>> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. 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From: georg c. <geo...@te...> - 2014-05-03 13:13:20
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Oppps, thought it was a gcc switch. tnx georg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? But isn't the point that this doc is for ADA and not applicable for other (e.g. C) compilers of gcc? Maybe that was changed between your old version and the latest one... Am 2014-05-02 09:16, schrieb georg chambert: > Right, that is my problem. But Im not afterr getting more warnings, I want > the -gnatv func > to get more info on errors, more specifically why the libstdc++ is not > resolving referrences. > (also i find that the 4.8 version has much worse error tracing/reporting > than 2.8, could that be the case ?) > > tnx > Georg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> > To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? > > > Check this one: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14171256/how-to-set-error-message-control-to-verbose-in-mingw > > On 2014-05-02 07:49, georg chambert wrote: >> Yes I think soo too, however the c++ compiler barfs and says something >> like >> that its an unknown >> extension to the -g option...... >> >> Georg >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clemens Schäfermeier" <cl...@fh...> >> To: "MinGW Users List" <min...@li...> >> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mingw-users] switch ? >> >> >>> Hi Georg >>> According to >>> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html >>> it should be still there and not depreciated. >>> >>> Am 2014-05-01 23:20, schrieb georg chambert: >>>> Ive been using gcc -gnatv in my old 2.8 gcc >>>> >>>> >>>> (i think) >>>> >>>> >>>> now I have installed 4.8.1 (in order to get to the libstdc++ library, >>>> which >>>> didnt work out since there seem to be unresolved internal references >>>> in) >>>> >>>> then -gnatv doesnt work, it seems to think the switch (option) is -g >>>> and >>>> then with some argument ?? which it cannot interprete >>>> >>>> is this a bug or am I lost ? >>>> >>>> tnx Georg >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE >>>> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. 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From: Eli Z. <el...@gn...> - 2014-05-02 15:24:51
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> Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 00:23:22 +0400 > From: niXman <i.n...@au...> > > David Gressett 2014-05-02 00:12: > > What would it take to get a 64-bit MinGW build of gcc going? > > You need to use MinGW-W64: > https://sourceforge.net/p/mingw-w64/mailman/message/32287110/ Btw, that site could use some help in explaining the differences between the umpteen different packages, or how to decode that from a name of a package such as x86_64-4.9.0-release-posix-sjlj-rt_v3-rev1.7z. What is the difference, from the user POV, between posix and win32 threads? between sjlj, seh, and dwarf? what is the importance of the rt_v3 part? why isn't there a dwarf variant for x64 targets? Those are just a few questions that bug a newcomer when she is trying to figure out which parts to download. Also, what are the differences between the different "Personal Builds", and why isn't there a single authoritative release that is known to be stable for every package? If the MinGW-W64 project wants to attract users, I suggest to make some progress in the above area, because frankly, right now the site looks like a car crash (no offense). |
From: Erwin W. <wat...@xs...> - 2014-05-02 18:34:08
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Op 2-5-2014 17:24, Eli Zaretskii schreef: >> Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 00:23:22 +0400 >> From: niXman <i.n...@au...> >> >> David Gressett 2014-05-02 00:12: >>> What would it take to get a 64-bit MinGW build of gcc going? >> You need to use MinGW-W64: >> https://sourceforge.net/p/mingw-w64/mailman/message/32287110/ > Btw, that site could use some help in explaining the differences > between the umpteen different packages, or how to decode that from a > name of a package such as x86_64-4.9.0-release-posix-sjlj-rt_v3-rev1.7z. > What is the difference, from the user POV, between posix and win32 > threads? between sjlj, seh, and dwarf? what is the importance of the > rt_v3 part? why isn't there a dwarf variant for x64 targets? Those are > just a few questions that bug a newcomer when she is trying to figure out > which parts to download. Also, what are the differences between the > different "Personal Builds", and why isn't there a single authoritative > release that is known to be stable for every package? > > If the MinGW-W64 project wants to attract users, I suggest to make some > progress in the above area, because frankly, right now the site looks > like a car crash (no offense). > That is why I started to use the msys2 project. You only need to choose between 32 or 64 bit gcc. On top of it you get a whole bunch of commonly used libraries, a new msys shell (based on cygwin 1.7), and a simple installer (pacman). The versions of the libraries are up to date. Gcc 4.9.0 is already included. regards, Erwin |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2014-05-03 01:56:15
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On 03/05/14 01:30, Nathan Ridge wrote: > What does it mean to "submit [patches] for audit"? Who do you submit > them to, and what do they do with them? You follow the patch submission procedure, as described here: http://mingw.org/wiki/SubmitPatches A project administrator, or authorised package maintainer, will then review your patches, and decide whether or not they meet the criteria for acceptance into MinGW.org's code base; one criterion which we will check is a documentary source, to ensure that we avoid any blatant copyright infringement. -- Regards, Keith. |