[MeshBox-radius] Re: [MeshAP] Our Mission Statement (Revision 1)

[Tom K. <to...@ka...>]

Dear Lee Hughes (what a gr8 wireless name that is)

You have what my old dad calls an "Old head on young shoulders" If your you=
nger than him....or me :-)

Stick around. This concept is valid. The hardware that Jon has made works. =
The business models we can argue about till the cows come home. The rights =
issues have never been resolved properly. If you can contribute, then we wi=
ll all welcome your effort. Please don't become jaded. This sort of thing a=
lways happens at the begining and at the end/implementation of any great id=
ea.=20

My first *bad* Linux experience was falling out with Patrick Volkerding in =
1993. He was a cobal guy and I had stupidly asked him if he could help me t=
o get my ex-wifes email bounced to me. (Her univeristy had the old crappy s=
endmail patch. Well, I was naive and Pat was a Pro - What can I say, I was =
desperate (the bitch divorced me anyway) and he said no way. But: I was the=
 first person - ever - to install Slackware. And I wrote the all the triden=
t video drivers. Big Fucking Deal. Pat remains the pro and I will always be=
 the numpty, and that experience taught me two lifelong lessons. 1) Dont ro=
ck "your" boat. Its the only boat you have -  and  - 2) Other people are no=
t interested in what motivates you.=20

Kindest Regards
TomKat







On 25 Feb 2003 15:00:43 +0000
Lee Hughes <lee...@to...> wrote:

> Hello I'm Lee, and this my view.
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> I'm new to this list, been on it about 2 weeks, thought I'd get involved
> with meshap@locust. Now, all this infighting remind me off the stuff I=20
> used to see on the Smoothwall Lists, arguments, pointing of fingers,
> general nasty stuff. Both Projects have merit, Jon's box is cool, but to
> pricey for my needs, and this whole thing wiana is a bit of a mystery,
> I'm not keen oncentral control for any kind of network, and it looks
> like wiana could be come very important (and very profitable) for those
> involved with it? Correct me if I'm wrong on that..., maybe I
> misunderstand wiana function?
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> is wiana something to do with cryptographic keys, if so, does this means
> aodv has now been 'secured' with crytographics signatures? now if it has
> then that's a software 'featured' I'd pay for and license, because
> that's hard to do. :-))). At the moment I could subvert a aodv network
> without layer 2 encryption, just by sending bogus routing
> replies....surley not good for the community.
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> I'm not quite sure of the open sourceness of Locust, I'm not really that
> interested, to tell you the truth, fact of the matter is that you can
> download it, ripp it apart and make your own. I'm interested in packet
> shifters really, meshbox does this and that and meshbox makes you tea
> and does all other clever things too..which is ace!! I just need
> wireless coverage, as much as I can, and at as little cost, linux and
> aodv seem to be the ideal solution here. I've never been a fan of settop
> boxes, I think there pretty dull devices all in all, they limit the user
> in what they can do... put it this way I'd rather buy a portable linux
> computer, than a set top box right now.
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> I like the fact that a source forge projects been setup, the projects
> gets more visablity, and hopefully more talented people will join in,
> the whole locust approach seems to be, download the source, try and work
> it out for yourself, and then ask questions. There's no mechanism for me
> to add patches or enhancements if I wanted to, because Jon's far too
> busy, because he's running a business at the end of the day, and if I
> were him, would he let me, a nobody.. interfere with his business? his
> lively hood? his future....no way...but I wish him loads of luck with
> his venture!
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> So, meshap is, cool but's it's not the only way, forks are good=B7..
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> no just don't fall out about it.....I heard Richard from smoothwall got
> his car done over, because of some of his comments, wow...the power of
> open source in-fighting ;-)
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> Cheers,
> Lee =20
> 'although open source is cool, don't ever forget the names of the
> shoulders your standing on'=20
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> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 19:18, Mark Malewski wrote:
> > I would like to cordially invite/welcome everyone to the MeshBox.org
> > Developer's mailing list.  Thank-you for joining us.
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> > Let me begin by making a few things clear:
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> > 1) Our goal is to bring and support the development of MeshAP software
> > on hardware devices other than Jon's MeshAP device. =20
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> > 2) Continue to develop (and work hand in hand with Jon) on adding
> > additional features (IP Telephony, etc.) to the MeshAP/MeshBox distro.
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> > 3) Create ONE standard Free Global Wireless Network, where all mesh
> > users can talk/exchange data anywhere in the world.
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> > 4) Create a distro that will work on ALL PC platforms (not just MeshAP
> > boxes).
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> > 5) Offer inexpensive (around $200) pre-built hardware solutions (that
> > people can buy at $15 above our cost) that will run the MeshAP/MeshBox
> > software (like XBOX, PlayStation 2, etc.) The $15 profit will go to
> > developer's (such as Jon) to help support their hard work.
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> > 6) We are a NOT-FOR-PROFIT organization, and our mission is to help
> > people (this includes newbies) get online.  We will need to create
> > documentation, and FAQ's as well as "support teams/forums" where newbies
> > can ask questions.
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> > 7) We'll need to create a HCL (hardware compatibility list) of known
> > hardware that is supported/works.  This list will be constantly updated,
> > as we increase our support for various devices.
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> > 8) We'll add support for additional features such as IP Telephony, QoS,
> > etc.
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> > 9) We're not a "competing" or "incompatible" organization, nor are we
> > trying to create "a separate standard", we're simply a group of
> > volunteer developers that will work hand in hand (with Jon) in
> > supporting the MeshAP software.
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> > 10) All documents/FAQ's created by the MeshBox organization, will be
> > freely distributed (and given to Jon so that MeshBox members, and MeshAP
> > customers will have good documentation for current software releases).
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> > This list will probably change (and grow), as the organization
> > progresses.  Our goal is to create a distro that is compatible with the
> > current MeshAP software/hardware, but with the additional bells and
> > whistles, and support for a wide range of other hardware (other than the
> > "official MeshAP device")
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> > If you're looking for help on using MeshAP software on ANY device other
> > than Jon's official MeshAP hardware, then please join the MeshBox
> > newbies list for hardware & support questions:
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> > mes...@li...
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> > If you're a developer, and want to help develop the MeshAP software,
> > then please join the MeshBox developer's list:
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> > mes...@li...
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> > If you'd like to join the effort to create a global authentication
> > server for the MeshNetwork, then please join or RADIUS developer's list:
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> > mes...@li...
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> >                 Thank-you,
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> >               Mark Malewski
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