Re: [Matplotlib-users] [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with python3

[Benjamin R. <ben...@ou...>]

"please don't do that"

Yes, I will make sure that any antagonizing I do in the future, it will be
completely clear that I am the one doing it.  ;-)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Caswell <tca...@gm...> wrote:

> Hmm, I can't read and miss-attributed who was antagonizing Sandro, please
> don't do that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM Benjamin Root <ben...@ou...> wrote:
>
>> For my part, I didn't take Keith's comment as antagonizing. If anything,
>> I should apologize to Sandro. It was not necessary for me to drag Debian
>> into this, because all I know is that I was having issues on Ubuntu.
>>
>> Ben Root
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Thomas Caswell <tca...@gm...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We do support ubuntu, travis.ci (which we use for continuous
>>> integration testing) is ubuntu based and my main development box is ubuntu
>>> (but I mostly work inside conda environments rather than virtualenvs these
>>> days). Even though it is the worst thing for a dev to say, 'it works on my
>>> machine'.
>>>
>>> Part of the problem here is that it looks like you are doing system-wide
>>> installations from source so you have almost certainly driven your system
>>> into an inconsistent state.  Unless you know enough sys-admin magic to
>>> ensure you won't step on the toes of the system packages, I strongly
>>> suggest _never_ using sudo to install python packages.  Either use
>>> venv/conda or install into a directory in your home directory and modify
>>> $PYTHONPATH as needed.
>>>
>>>  I know it is frustrating, but there isn't a whole lot we can do to help
>>> you with you knowing exactly what you have done to your system.
>>>
>>> In any case antagonizing the developers and the debian packager is _not_
>>> the most effective course of action.  I assure you all of us are making a
>>> good faith effort to make sure mpl works everywhere.  Starting from that
>>> assumption will make all of these conversations go much more smoothly.
>>> Also remember everyone responding to you on this list is a volunteer,
>>> please be respectful of our time and energy.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:27 PM Benjamin Root <ben...@ou...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We would too. This is the first time I have seen updating setuptools
>>>> not work. That was the fix... I have no clue why it is broken on your
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <kei...@bt...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I will check out anaconda anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think that the matplotlib maintainers would want to make sure
>>>>> they support the very popular Ubuntu platform, even if a workaround for a
>>>>> bug elsewhere is needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ben...@gm... [mailto:ben...@gm...] *On Behalf
>>>>> Of *Benjamin Root
>>>>> *Sent:* 18 March 2015 17:17
>>>>> *To:* Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R; Matplotlib Users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14
>>>>> with python3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I just noticed is that python3.4 and the distutils libraries
>>>>> are installed at /usr/lib/python3.4/distutils/, but the setuptools is
>>>>> located at /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/. One of the
>>>>> oddities of setuptools is that it monkey-patches distutils, if I understand
>>>>> it correctly, so perhaps it isn't doing it correctly for some reason? I
>>>>> haven't a clue, really.
>>>>>
>>>>> This oddity in directory structures was actually one thing I noticed
>>>>> in Ubuntu last summer/fall for py2.7 that broke a lot of things for me. I
>>>>> was in a rush at the time, so I just switched to anaconda, nuked everything
>>>>> python in my .local and moved on. That is always an option here, but it
>>>>> would be nice to get to the bottom of this as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Root
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, <kei...@bt...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben: thanks for your help - it's very much appreciated!
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> python3
>>>>> Python 3.4.0 (default, Apr 11 2014, 13:05:11)
>>>>> [GCC 4.8.2] on linux
>>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> import setuptools
>>>>> >>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/setuptools-14.3-py3.
>>>>> 4.egg/setuptools/__init__.py
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> python
>>>>> Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 22:59:56)
>>>>> [GCC 4.8.2] on linux2
>>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> import setuptools
>>>>> >>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/setuptools/__init__.pyc
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: ben...@gm... [ben...@gm...] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Benjamin Root [ben...@ou...]
>>>>> Sent: 18 March 2015 16:58
>>>>> To: Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R
>>>>> Cc: matplotlib development list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with
>>>>> python3
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to the issue at hand. could you do the following?
>>>>>
>>>>> import setuptools
>>>>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be interesting to see if that path differs from the path of
>>>>> the egg you just listed.
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:39 AM, <kei...@bt...<mailto:ke
>>>>> ith...@bt...>> wrote:
>>>>> pip still thinks I have the latest.   I think it's a question of how
>>>>> to force the matplotlib setup.py to use actually it.
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> sudo pip3  install setuptools
>>>>> --upgrade
>>>>> Requirement already up-to-date: setuptools in
>>>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/setuptools-14.3-py3.4.egg
>>>>> Cleaning up...
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: ben...@gm...<mailto:ben...@gm...> [
>>>>> ben...@gm...<mailto:ben...@gm...>] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Benjamin Root [ben...@ou...<mailto:ben...@ou...>]
>>>>> Sent: 18 March 2015 15:33
>>>>> To: Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R
>>>>> Cc: matplotlib development list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with
>>>>> python3
>>>>>
>>>>> I would just use pip. Ubuntu/Debian has really messed up the python
>>>>> environment in more ways than one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:08 AM, keithbriggs <kei...@bt...
>>>>> <mailto:kei...@bt...><mailto:kei...@bt...<mailto:keith.
>>>>> br...@bt...>>> wrote:
>>>>> The Ubuntu package manager tells me it is up to date.
>>>>> If I download setuptools-14.3 and install, it goes into
>>>>> /usr/local/lib/ and
>>>>> doesn't get used.
>>>>> How do I force it to be used?
>>>>> Or am I supposed to override the Ubuntu package manager?
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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