Re: [Matplotlib-users] [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with python3

[Thomas C. <tca...@gm...>]

Hmm, I can't read and miss-attributed who was antagonizing Sandro, please
don't do that.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM Benjamin Root <ben...@ou...> wrote:

> For my part, I didn't take Keith's comment as antagonizing. If anything, I
> should apologize to Sandro. It was not necessary for me to drag Debian into
> this, because all I know is that I was having issues on Ubuntu.
>
> Ben Root
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Thomas Caswell <tca...@gm...>
> wrote:
>
>> We do support ubuntu, travis.ci (which we use for continuous integration
>> testing) is ubuntu based and my main development box is ubuntu (but I
>> mostly work inside conda environments rather than virtualenvs these days).
>> Even though it is the worst thing for a dev to say, 'it works on my
>> machine'.
>>
>> Part of the problem here is that it looks like you are doing system-wide
>> installations from source so you have almost certainly driven your system
>> into an inconsistent state.  Unless you know enough sys-admin magic to
>> ensure you won't step on the toes of the system packages, I strongly
>> suggest _never_ using sudo to install python packages.  Either use
>> venv/conda or install into a directory in your home directory and modify
>> $PYTHONPATH as needed.
>>
>>  I know it is frustrating, but there isn't a whole lot we can do to help
>> you with you knowing exactly what you have done to your system.
>>
>> In any case antagonizing the developers and the debian packager is _not_
>> the most effective course of action.  I assure you all of us are making a
>> good faith effort to make sure mpl works everywhere.  Starting from that
>> assumption will make all of these conversations go much more smoothly.
>> Also remember everyone responding to you on this list is a volunteer,
>> please be respectful of our time and energy.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:27 PM Benjamin Root <ben...@ou...> wrote:
>>
>>> We would too. This is the first time I have seen updating setuptools not
>>> work. That was the fix... I have no clue why it is broken on your system.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <kei...@bt...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, I will check out anaconda anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think that the matplotlib maintainers would want to make sure
>>>> they support the very popular Ubuntu platform, even if a workaround for a
>>>> bug elsewhere is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ben...@gm... [mailto:ben...@gm...] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Benjamin Root
>>>> *Sent:* 18 March 2015 17:17
>>>> *To:* Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R; Matplotlib Users
>>>>
>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14
>>>> with python3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One thing I just noticed is that python3.4 and the distutils libraries
>>>> are installed at /usr/lib/python3.4/distutils/, but the setuptools is
>>>> located at /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/. One of the
>>>> oddities of setuptools is that it monkey-patches distutils, if I understand
>>>> it correctly, so perhaps it isn't doing it correctly for some reason? I
>>>> haven't a clue, really.
>>>>
>>>> This oddity in directory structures was actually one thing I noticed in
>>>> Ubuntu last summer/fall for py2.7 that broke a lot of things for me. I was
>>>> in a rush at the time, so I just switched to anaconda, nuked everything
>>>> python in my .local and moved on. That is always an option here, but it
>>>> would be nice to get to the bottom of this as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Root
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, <kei...@bt...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben: thanks for your help - it's very much appreciated!
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> python3
>>>> Python 3.4.0 (default, Apr 11 2014, 13:05:11)
>>>> [GCC 4.8.2] on linux
>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> import setuptools
>>>> >>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/setuptools-14.3-py3.
>>>> 4.egg/setuptools/__init__.py
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> python
>>>> Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 22:59:56)
>>>> [GCC 4.8.2] on linux2
>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> import setuptools
>>>> >>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/setuptools/__init__.pyc
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: ben...@gm... [ben...@gm...] On Behalf Of
>>>> Benjamin Root [ben...@ou...]
>>>> Sent: 18 March 2015 16:58
>>>> To: Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R
>>>> Cc: matplotlib development list
>>>> Subject: Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with
>>>> python3
>>>>
>>>> Keith,
>>>>
>>>> Back to the issue at hand. could you do the following?
>>>>
>>>> import setuptools
>>>> print(setuptools.__file__)
>>>>
>>>> It would be interesting to see if that path differs from the path of
>>>> the egg you just listed.
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:39 AM, <kei...@bt...<mailto:ke
>>>> ith...@bt...>> wrote:
>>>> pip still thinks I have the latest.   I think it's a question of how to
>>>> force the matplotlib setup.py to use actually it.
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> kbriggs:~/Downloads/matplotlib-1.4.3> sudo pip3  install setuptools
>>>> --upgrade
>>>> Requirement already up-to-date: setuptools in
>>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/setuptools-14.3-py3.4.egg
>>>> Cleaning up...
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: ben...@gm...<mailto:ben...@gm...> [
>>>> ben...@gm...<mailto:ben...@gm...>] On Behalf Of
>>>> Benjamin Root [ben...@ou...<mailto:ben...@ou...>]
>>>> Sent: 18 March 2015 15:33
>>>> To: Briggs,KM,Keith,TUB2 R
>>>> Cc: matplotlib development list
>>>> Subject: Re: [matplotlib-devel] 1.4.3 does not build on Ubuntu 14 with
>>>> python3
>>>>
>>>> I would just use pip. Ubuntu/Debian has really messed up the python
>>>> environment in more ways than one.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:08 AM, keithbriggs <kei...@bt...
>>>> <mailto:kei...@bt...><mailto:kei...@bt...<mailto:keith.
>>>> br...@bt...>>> wrote:
>>>> The Ubuntu package manager tells me it is up to date.
>>>> If I download setuptools-14.3 and install, it goes into /usr/local/lib/
>>>> and
>>>> doesn't get used.
>>>> How do I force it to be used?
>>>> Or am I supposed to override the Ubuntu package manager?
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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