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Re: [Mars-sim-developers] Interested in helping with your game

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Garrett,

Thanks for reaching out and writing to us.

You have very admirable educational goals for making use of games to reach
out to the kids and I like them.

We don't have a lot of active developers right now in mars-sim but for sure
we would welcome suggestions and help in making it better. For instances,
our UI needs some overhaul. At some point, we were discussing how to
implement an interactive help tooltips / tutorials / or inline system to
make mars-sim easy to grasp. Also, we hope to document more about our
design concept....

I look forward to collaborating with you on mars-sim and your Mars Colony
project and hope to be of some kind of help to you.

Sincerely,
Manny



On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Garrett Hour <gar...@gm...> wrote:

> Hello, my name is Garrett and I am interested in helping you develop your
> game
>
> I am the founder of Hour Interactions, a game design company with the goal
> of making the world a better place. The games I make are intended to
> improve real world systems such as education and healthcare. Currently I am
> working with Nolan Bushnell and others on a game which turns online
> school into an MMO
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vjj6rZYfFyZt_q7Xv2QLNlw-jFJY08n4j8cc07qss6Y/edit>.
> More relevantly, I am developing an educational framework designed to get
> kids excited about a future in space by placing them in a Mars colony
> simulation where they find real applications of STEM academics
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dn9xKb5PxBujG864AOAwg6tzwIOA8ZbgTT2qITVvfmw/edit>,
> currently being used in KO School, a Texas charter school.
>
> I am very interested in working with you on your game to raise public
> interest in Mars colonization. You'll find my linkedin below.
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrett-hour-75a60280
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you,
> Garrett Hour
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[Mars-sim-developers] Interested in helping with your game

[Garrett H. <gar...@gm...>]

Hello, my name is Garrett and I am interested in helping you develop your
game

I am the founder of Hour Interactions, a game design company with the goal
of making the world a better place. The games I make are intended to
improve real world systems such as education and healthcare. Currently I am
working with Nolan Bushnell and others on a game which turns online school
into an MMO
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vjj6rZYfFyZt_q7Xv2QLNlw-jFJY08n4j8cc07qss6Y/edit>.
More relevantly, I am developing an educational framework designed to get
kids excited about a future in space by placing them in a Mars colony
simulation where they find real applications of STEM academics
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dn9xKb5PxBujG864AOAwg6tzwIOA8ZbgTT2qITVvfmw/edit>,
currently being used in KO School, a Texas charter school.

I am very interested in working with you on your game to raise public
interest in Mars colonization. You'll find my linkedin below.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrett-hour-75a60280

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Garrett Hour

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] sound issues

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Also, as I looked up SoundConstants class,

public final static String SND_ROVER_PARKED = "";

do we intentionally want no ogg file for the following case when a rover is
parked ?

It could play a "zzzz" sound effect that signifies the vehicle is "asleep"
:) at least better than none IMHO !


On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:13 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Lars,
>
> I've whipped up a quick fix to mute BOTH the background music and the
> sound effect at the same time when pressing ctrl-M.
>
> Will commit in a minute.
>
> I know it's NOT really a complete fix since we should have separate
> control for each.
>
> Also, I feel like creating a new instance for OGGSoundClip is an overkill.
>
> I could have used a boolean or the value in UIConfig to track separate on
> the volume of the background music and the sound effect.
>
> So this is really just a quick fix.
>
> Regards,
> Manny
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> What does it take to mute the volume of both the background sound track
>> and the sound clip at the same time ?
>>
>> I was looking at AudioPlayer class yesterday.
>>
>> In play() method, we have
>>
>> try {
>> currentOGGSoundClip = new OGGSoundClip(filepath);
>> currentOGGSoundClip.play();
>> } catch (IOException e) {
>> e.printStackTrace();
>> }
>>
>> Question : do we really want to make a new instance of
>> currentOGGSoundClip everytime we call play() ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manny
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, also OpenAL is very old.
>>>
>>> Right now SourceForge is down, so I can’t commit. I hope they fix it
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> - Lars
>>>
>>> On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:16, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>> that's great you've nailed it.
>>>
>>> we can forget LWJGL or JME's sound options cuz it'll require more prep
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:50 AM <la...@na...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Manny,
>>>>
>>>> I finally cracked the sound problem. It took a whole lot of piecing
>>>> together from various bits of sound sample code and some classpath
>>>> debugging.
>>>>
>>>> I don't use LWJGL for it, actually. It's more a big hack of the JOrbis
>>>> sample code.
>>>>
>>>> The code will be committed once I've cleaned it up quite a bit - maybe
>>>> this evening. Then I think we should think about making a list of things to
>>>> do before release :-)
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>> - Lars
>>>>
>>>> manny kung skrev den 2016-01-29 04:38:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lars,
>>>>
>>>> I found this:
>>>> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.github.trilarion/vorbi
>>>> s-support/1.1.0
>>>>
>>>> It has a github page.
>>>> https://github.com/Trilarion/java-vorbis-support
>>>>
>>>> I think it's good news that "..all three libraries, Jorbis, Vorbis SPI
>>>> and Tritonus Share are almost always bundled together. Together they
>>>> constitute a complete plattform independent Ogg/Vorbis support for the Java
>>>> Sound API...."
>>>>
>>>> It's fair to say that without your ogg as background musical scores and
>>>> sound effects, MSP would not be complete :)
>>>>
>>>> -Manny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:10 PM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Manny
>>>>>
>>>>> That looks real good, thank you. Maybe I should use this instead  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Lars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 19 Jan 2016, at 03:32, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Lars,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I found this jme3 example of playing an ogg file. They make it super
>>>>> simple--just a few lines of codes. see below. I'm experimenting with jme
>>>>> sdk 3.1-alpha1.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Manny
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----------
>>>>> > package jme3test.audio;
>>>>> >
>>>>> > import com.jme3.app.SimpleApplication;
>>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.AudioNode;
>>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.AudioSource;
>>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.LowPassFilter;
>>>>> >
>>>>> > public class TestOgg extends SimpleApplication {
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     private AudioNode audioSource;
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     public static void main(String[] args){
>>>>> >         TestOgg test = new TestOgg();
>>>>> >         test.start();
>>>>> >     }
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     @Override
>>>>> >     public void simpleInitApp(){
>>>>> >         System.out.println("Playing without filter");
>>>>> >         audioSource = new AudioNode(assetManager,
>>>>> "Sound/Effects/Foot steps.ogg", true);
>>>>> >         audioSource.play();
>>>>> >     }
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     @Override
>>>>> >     public void simpleUpdate(float tpf){
>>>>> >         if (audioSource.getStatus() != AudioSource.Status.Playing){
>>>>> >             audioRenderer.deleteAudioData
>>>>> (audioSource.getAudioData());
>>>>> >
>>>>> >             System.out.println("Playing with low pass filter");
>>>>> >             audioSource = new AudioNode(assetManager,
>>>>> "Sound/Effects/Foot steps.ogg", true);
>>>>> >             audioSource.setDryFilter(new LowPassFilter(1f, .1f));
>>>>> >             audioSource.setVolume(3);
>>>>> >             audioSource.play();
>>>>> >         }
>>>>> >     }
>>>>> >
>>>>> > }
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] sound issues

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Lars,

I've whipped up a quick fix to mute BOTH the background music and the sound
effect at the same time when pressing ctrl-M.

Will commit in a minute.

I know it's NOT really a complete fix since we should have separate control
for each.

Also, I feel like creating a new instance for OGGSoundClip is an overkill.

I could have used a boolean or the value in UIConfig to track separate on
the volume of the background music and the sound effect.

So this is really just a quick fix.

Regards,
Manny


On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Lars,
>
> What does it take to mute the volume of both the background sound track
> and the sound clip at the same time ?
>
> I was looking at AudioPlayer class yesterday.
>
> In play() method, we have
>
> try {
> currentOGGSoundClip = new OGGSoundClip(filepath);
> currentOGGSoundClip.play();
> } catch (IOException e) {
> e.printStackTrace();
> }
>
> Question : do we really want to make a new instance of currentOGGSoundClip
> everytime we call play() ?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Manny
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:
>
>> Yes, also OpenAL is very old.
>>
>> Right now SourceForge is down, so I can’t commit. I hope they fix it soon.
>>
>> - Lars
>>
>> On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:16, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> that's great you've nailed it.
>>
>> we can forget LWJGL or JME's sound options cuz it'll require more prep
>> work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:50 AM <la...@na...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Manny,
>>>
>>> I finally cracked the sound problem. It took a whole lot of piecing
>>> together from various bits of sound sample code and some classpath
>>> debugging.
>>>
>>> I don't use LWJGL for it, actually. It's more a big hack of the JOrbis
>>> sample code.
>>>
>>> The code will be committed once I've cleaned it up quite a bit - maybe
>>> this evening. Then I think we should think about making a list of things to
>>> do before release :-)
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> - Lars
>>>
>>> manny kung skrev den 2016-01-29 04:38:
>>>
>>> Hi Lars,
>>>
>>> I found this:
>>> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.github.trilarion/vorbi
>>> s-support/1.1.0
>>>
>>> It has a github page.
>>> https://github.com/Trilarion/java-vorbis-support
>>>
>>> I think it's good news that "..all three libraries, Jorbis, Vorbis SPI
>>> and Tritonus Share are almost always bundled together. Together they
>>> constitute a complete plattform independent Ogg/Vorbis support for the Java
>>> Sound API...."
>>>
>>> It's fair to say that without your ogg as background musical scores and
>>> sound effects, MSP would not be complete :)
>>>
>>> -Manny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:10 PM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Manny
>>>>
>>>> That looks real good, thank you. Maybe I should use this instead  :-)
>>>>
>>>> - Lars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 19 Jan 2016, at 03:32, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Lars,
>>>> >
>>>> > I found this jme3 example of playing an ogg file. They make it super
>>>> simple--just a few lines of codes. see below. I'm experimenting with jme
>>>> sdk 3.1-alpha1.
>>>> >
>>>> > Manny
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----------
>>>> > package jme3test.audio;
>>>> >
>>>> > import com.jme3.app.SimpleApplication;
>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.AudioNode;
>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.AudioSource;
>>>> > import com.jme3.audio.LowPassFilter;
>>>> >
>>>> > public class TestOgg extends SimpleApplication {
>>>> >
>>>> >     private AudioNode audioSource;
>>>> >
>>>> >     public static void main(String[] args){
>>>> >         TestOgg test = new TestOgg();
>>>> >         test.start();
>>>> >     }
>>>> >
>>>> >     @Override
>>>> >     public void simpleInitApp(){
>>>> >         System.out.println("Playing without filter");
>>>> >         audioSource = new AudioNode(assetManager, "Sound/Effects/Foot
>>>> steps.ogg", true);
>>>> >         audioSource.play();
>>>> >     }
>>>> >
>>>> >     @Override
>>>> >     public void simpleUpdate(float tpf){
>>>> >         if (audioSource.getStatus() != AudioSource.Status.Playing){
>>>> >             audioRenderer.deleteAudioData
>>>> (audioSource.getAudioData());
>>>> >
>>>> >             System.out.println("Playing with low pass filter");
>>>> >             audioSource = new AudioNode(assetManager,
>>>> "Sound/Effects/Foot steps.ogg", true);
>>>> >             audioSource.setDryFilter(new LowPassFilter(1f, .1f));
>>>> >             audioSource.setVolume(3);
>>>> >             audioSource.play();
>>>> >         }
>>>> >     }
>>>> >
>>>> > }
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[Mars-sim-developers] A.I. songs

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Lars,

May be some day we can make msp compose songs in real time using ML :)

http://qz.com/790523/daddys-car-the-first-song-ever-written-by-artificial-intelligence-is-actually-pretty-good/

http://www.flow-machines.com/#

-manny

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] 3.1.0 snapshot version uploaded

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Scott/Lars/Barry,

I'm about to compile the next 3.1.0 snapshot version and upload them to SF.

Since the last snapshot build, I've thrown in critical fixes such as
aborting a vehicle mission, and avoiding duplicate settlers' name.

I'll also comment out those springboot maven artifacts in the pom.xml for
the 3.1.0 release because they will add nearly ~30 MB to the jar.

When running it under linux. there are still a couple of issues.

1. for now, it checks whenever linux os is used, it won't use nimrod look &
feel. So I'll need to fix the column headers background color.

2. the javaFX stage popup in the settlement map tool doesn't work under
linux.

Can you guys test the .deb binary to see if it can be run since I don't
have debian distro setup ?

Did I overlook anything obvious or important that you want to roll into
this snapshot preview ?

Regards,

-Manny





On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:28 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Thanks Scott ! How have you been ? I just updated some screenshots in SF.
> But for some strange reasons, the old logo can't be updated.
>
> Do you think we should update the 3.08 branch in svn to 3.1.0 as well ?
>
> What else should we mention in our project website ? I'll update it later.
>
> -Manny
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Scott Davis <mar...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Manny,
>>
>> I set MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip as the default download
>> for the project.  To set a file in the project's file section as the
>> default download, click the "i" icon to the right of the file and in the
>> lower right check all of the check boxes for the appropriate systems it
>> should be the default download for.  I find it takes a minute or so for the
>> web site to switch over to the new default download after doing that.
>>
>> Also I made you an admin on the SourceForge website so that you can
>> handle file releases and such.  I've been absent from the project for a
>> while now and I want to make sure you guys have the administrative rights
>> to do what you need to do with the project and the web site.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott/Lars,
>>>
>>> How have you been lately?
>>>
>>> Question: how do I change the latest download file from
>>> MarsProject_3.07.zip to MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip in
>>> Sourceforge's File tab?
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/?source=navbar
>>>
>>> SF reported that there have been 153 hits in downloading the old 3.07
>>> version and 21 hits in the new 3.1.0 snapshot.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that by getting users test-play the new features in 3.1.0
>>> snapshot version, we can get users more involved as they provide
>>> feedback/comments before we release the final 3.1.0 version.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Scott/Lars,
>>>>
>>>> I just compiled the latest build 3713, name it as
>>>> MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip and upload it onto the
>>>> following new folder :
>>>>
>>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/mars-sim/3.1.0/
>>>>
>>>> Note that it doesn't include the source files and it's good for both
>>>> windows and macOSX. If you run it in a mac, mars-sim's menu bar will be
>>>> shown up on the top of the screen like a native app, instead of loading up
>>>> the menu bar on the window frame.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Manny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] 3.1.0 snapshot version uploaded

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Thanks Scott ! How have you been ? I just updated some screenshots in SF.
But for some strange reasons, the old logo can't be updated.

Do you think we should update the 3.08 branch in svn to 3.1.0 as well ?

What else should we mention in our project website ? I'll update it later.

-Manny

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Scott Davis <mar...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Manny,
>
> I set MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip as the default download
> for the project.  To set a file in the project's file section as the
> default download, click the "i" icon to the right of the file and in the
> lower right check all of the check boxes for the appropriate systems it
> should be the default download for.  I find it takes a minute or so for the
> web site to switch over to the new default download after doing that.
>
> Also I made you an admin on the SourceForge website so that you can handle
> file releases and such.  I've been absent from the project for a while now
> and I want to make sure you guys have the administrative rights to do what
> you need to do with the project and the web site.
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott/Lars,
>>
>> How have you been lately?
>>
>> Question: how do I change the latest download file from
>> MarsProject_3.07.zip to MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip in
>> Sourceforge's File tab?
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/?source=navbar
>>
>> SF reported that there have been 153 hits in downloading the old 3.07
>> version and 21 hits in the new 3.1.0 snapshot.
>>
>> I'm hoping that by getting users test-play the new features in 3.1.0
>> snapshot version, we can get users more involved as they provide
>> feedback/comments before we release the final 3.1.0 version.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manny
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott/Lars,
>>>
>>> I just compiled the latest build 3713, name it as
>>> MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip and upload it onto the
>>> following new folder :
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/mars-sim/3.1.0/
>>>
>>> Note that it doesn't include the source files and it's good for both
>>> windows and macOSX. If you run it in a mac, mars-sim's menu bar will be
>>> shown up on the top of the screen like a native app, instead of loading up
>>> the menu bar on the window frame.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Manny
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] 3.1.0 snapshot version uploaded

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Hi Manny,

I set MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip as the default download for
the project.  To set a file in the project's file section as the default
download, click the "i" icon to the right of the file and in the lower
right check all of the check boxes for the appropriate systems it should be
the default download for.  I find it takes a minute or so for the web site
to switch over to the new default download after doing that.

Also I made you an admin on the SourceForge website so that you can handle
file releases and such.  I've been absent from the project for a while now
and I want to make sure you guys have the administrative rights to do what
you need to do with the project and the web site.

Take care,

Scott

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Scott/Lars,
>
> How have you been lately?
>
> Question: how do I change the latest download file from
> MarsProject_3.07.zip to MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip in
> Sourceforge's File tab?
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/?source=navbar
>
> SF reported that there have been 153 hits in downloading the old 3.07
> version and 21 hits in the new 3.1.0 snapshot.
>
> I'm hoping that by getting users test-play the new features in 3.1.0
> snapshot version, we can get users more involved as they provide
> feedback/comments before we release the final 3.1.0 version.
>
> Regards,
> Manny
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott/Lars,
>>
>> I just compiled the latest build 3713, name it as
>> MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip and upload it onto the
>> following new folder :
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/mars-sim/3.1.0/
>>
>> Note that it doesn't include the source files and it's good for both
>> windows and macOSX. If you run it in a mac, mars-sim's menu bar will be
>> shown up on the top of the screen like a native app, instead of loading up
>> the menu bar on the window frame.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Manny
>>
>>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] new milestone 3.1.0

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Hi Manny,

I created the milestone tag "3.1.0" in the tickets admin.

Scott

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:28 AM, <la...@na...> wrote:

> I second the new release tag as a good idea.
>
> /Lars
>
> manny kung skrev den 2016-09-15 22:04:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Can you create a new milestone tag called "3.1.0" in
> https://sourceforge.net/p/mars-sim/tickets/ for ticket submisstion?
>
> Currently we have only two milestone tags, namely, 3.07 and 3.08 on the
> left panel.
>
> If it's okay with you to skip 3.08 and move directly onto 3.1.0, we should
> add 3.1.0 tag when someone submits a ticket.
>
> Let's march forward!
>
> -Manny
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Mars-sim-developers] new milestone 3.1.0

[<la...@na...>]

I second the new release tag as a good idea. 

/Lars 

manny kung skrev den 2016-09-15 22:04:

> Hi Scott, 
> 
> Can you create a new milestone tag called "3.1.0" in https://sourceforge.net/p/mars-sim/tickets/ for ticket submisstion? 
> 
> Currently we have only two milestone tags, namely, 3.07 and 3.08 on the left panel.  
> 
> If it's okay with you to skip 3.08 and move directly onto 3.1.0, we should add 3.1.0 tag when someone submits a ticket. 
> 
> Let's march forward! 
> 
> -Manny 
> 
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[Mars-sim-developers] new milestone 3.1.0

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Scott,

Can you create a new milestone tag called "3.1.0" in
https://sourceforge.net/p/mars-sim/tickets/ for ticket submisstion?

Currently we have only two milestone tags, namely, 3.07 and 3.08 on the
left panel.

If it's okay with you to skip 3.08 and move directly onto 3.1.0, we should
add 3.1.0 tag when someone submits a ticket.

Let's march forward!

-Manny

[Mars-sim-developers] Starcraft and Deep Reinforcement Learning

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

I find the following interesting discussion at hackernews:

Deep Reinforcement Learning to Play StarCraft
<https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02993>
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12496490

Episodic Exploration for Deep Deterministic Policies:
An Application to StarCraft Micromanagement Tasks
https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02993

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] 3.1.0 snapshot version uploaded

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Scott/Lars,

How have you been lately?

Question: how do I change the latest download file from
MarsProject_3.07.zip to MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip in
Sourceforge's File tab?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/?source=navbar

SF reported that there have been 153 hits in downloading the old 3.07
version and 21 hits in the new 3.1.0 snapshot.

I'm hoping that by getting users test-play the new features in 3.1.0
snapshot version, we can get users more involved as they provide
feedback/comments before we release the final 3.1.0 version.

Regards,
Manny



On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Scott/Lars,
>
> I just compiled the latest build 3713, name it as
> MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip and upload it onto the
> following new folder :
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/mars-sim/3.1.0/
>
> Note that it doesn't include the source files and it's good for both
> windows and macOSX. If you run it in a mac, mars-sim's menu bar will be
> shown up on the top of the screen like a native app, instead of loading up
> the menu bar on the window frame.
>
> Cheers,
> Manny
>
>

[Mars-sim-developers] 3.1.0 snapshot version uploaded

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Scott/Lars,

I just compiled the latest build 3713, name it as
MarsProject_3.1.0_SNAPSHOT_build_3713.zip and upload it onto the following
new folder :

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mars-sim/files/mars-sim/3.1.0/

Note that it doesn't include the source files and it's good for both
windows and macOSX. If you run it in a mac, mars-sim's menu bar will be
shown up on the top of the screen like a native app, instead of loading up
the menu bar on the window frame.

Cheers,
Manny

[Mars-sim-developers] NASA Mission Control Framework

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi all,

NASA is open sourcing its mission control framework written in node.js.

https://nasa.github.io/openmct/
https://github.com/nasa/openmct

You can even run its demo on your browser.

It's a real world mission control app with very clean UI.

Perhaps there are something we can learn from it for mars-sim.

Manny

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] JavaFX 8 UI and OS X

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Lars,

In the last commit, I've just added the use of mac os x menu bar style
using nsmenufx from that site.

Manny

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Lars Næsbye Christensen <la...@na...>
wrote:

> Well, I’d like to run MSP in fullscreen mode, obscuring the system menu
> bar altogether. I do like my OS X, but I’m all fine with using the same
> menus all over the spectrum of OS’s :)
>
> On 23/04/2015, at 18.51, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lars, I came across the article below and we can apply those
> techniques and add OSX specific codes into MainScene to make javaFX ui look
> even more prettier in OSX ! Since you are a macbook fan, do you want to
> experiment with that? I only skim thru it and don't know what it takes...it
> seems like Eclipse SWT may be  needed. Mannytweaking the Menu Bar of
> JavaFX 8 Applications on OS X
> <https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2015/04/tweaking-the-menu-bar-of-javafx-8-applications-on-os-x/>
>
> https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2015/04/tweaking-the-menu-bar-of-javafx-8-applications-on-os-x/
>
>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] spring boot with thymeleaf

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Barry,

I'll like to try out your approach of building and starting Web UI.

Question 1: can you start the sim before deployment without maven?

Before we redesign mars-sim to be  deployed as a persistent sim world for
users to log in,

Q2: how does the user start the local sim on their computer? Do they have
to have spring boot pre-installed and maven pre-installed?

We still want to package mars-sim in such a way that a user only have to
click on the icon to start the sim.

Manny

On Jun 25, 2016 7:31 AM, "Barry Evans" <bar...@ya...> wrote:

> The use of ThemeLeaf is interesting as it is a server side template
> approach along the lines of JSP and later JSF. These do have their
> drawbacks specifically increasing server load when supporting multiple
> concurrent users. I've never really loved this approach as it relies on
> more knowledge of HTML. However I can see that the benefit of pre-defined
> templates is pretty compelling.
>
> For me the work I've been doing my current playing was to experiment with
> using the React framework with Bootstrap utilising a web service backend.
> Essentially separating the simulation logic  from the application side
> whether that be browser or mobile app in the future. That's the type of
> things I do in my day job. The mars-sim project was something I knew from
> the past and was a good seed for trying out some ideas. I've become
> unbelievably busy with work this month so I've got no time to contribute at
> the moment anyway.
>
> As an aside the work I've played with can be used running locally as well.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Saturday, 25 June 2016, 7:08, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>
> see
> http://www.technicalkeeda.com/spring/spring-boot-bindexception-address-already-in-use-bind
>
> and
> http://serverquestions.com/questions/lpks/tomcat-and-jetty-only-work-once-in-windows-and-then-crash
>
> in case you run into bindException on a different platform when running
> spring boot.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Also, after I edit the html5/js/css pages, I always need to bring down the
> tomcat server and restart in order to see the new changes.
>
> To do it correctly, in eclipse, I right click on the trace stack, in the
> popup menu, I choose "Terminate/Disconnect all" to bring down the server.
> This time, the port will be put OUT OF USE successfully, or else the port
> may still be "bind" to the server in a thread.
>
> see attached.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:41 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>
> When running SpringAppLeaf to start the tomcat server, I just just a port
> issue temporarily by adding a file that specify a port other than 8080.
>
> see attached pic about starting on port 9090.
>
>
> Will commit in a moment.
>
>
> By the way, I'll start digging deeper into how well and how fast one can
> feed data from java to javascript in thymeleaf.
>
> For now, as shown in the attached pic, all those numbers in the icons in
> the top right hand (email, notification and task) are fake, though they are
> programmable to change.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:48 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using someone's html design template to create a demo html page for
> mars net.
>
> You can run SpringAppLeaf.java in eclipse and open a browser and enter
> "localhost:8080" to see it.
>
> The point is that there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful, almost
> ready-to-go html5/css/js templates or code snipplet out there for us to
> use, instead of having to creating UI from scratch.
>
> Perhaps the next thing is adding in Barry's codes in bitbuckets.
>
> See attached.
>
> Will commit in a second.
>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> Can we first start building all the needed UI in html5/js/css for mars-sim
> in such a way that mars-sim can run on a local machine ?
>
> And we will also add in a multiplayer mode for mars-sim to run on a
> network or across the internet.
>
> When everything is ready, mars-sim will demonstrate its innovation in such
> a way to attract people around the world to donate a few bucks so that we
> can run as one persistent world or as a MMO in Amazon S3.
>
> Let's dream on!
>
> Manny
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] sound error

[<la...@na...>]

Hi Manny, 

I don't get this error. But I'm only testing on Linux these days. 

- Lars 

manny kung skrev den 2016-06-22 23:21:

> Hi Lars, 
> 
> I've been getting this strange OGG sound error. 
> 
> Do you have that in your eclipse running in eclipse or just that my eclipse dev environment is screwed up again somehow after adding spring boot ? 
> 
> Manny 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------ 
> 
> org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip$InternalException: java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException 
> at org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.playStream(OGGSoundClip.java:481) 
> at org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.access$0(OGGSoundClip.java:399) 
> at org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip$1.run(OGGSoundClip.java:255) 
> Caused by: java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException 
> at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:338) 
> at org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.playStream(OGGSoundClip.java:479) 
> ... 2 more

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] spring boot with thymeleaf

[Barry E. <bar...@ya...>]

The use of ThemeLeaf is interesting as it is a server side template approach along the lines of JSP and later JSF. These do have their drawbacks specifically increasing server load when supporting multiple concurrent users. I've never really loved this approach as it relies on more knowledge of HTML. However I can see that the benefit of pre-defined templates is pretty compelling.

For me the work I've been doing my current playing was to experiment with using the React framework with Bootstrap utilising a web service backend. Essentially separating the simulation logic  from the application side whether that be browser or mobile app in the future. That's the type of things I do in my day job. The mars-sim project was something I knew from the past and was a good seed for trying out some ideas. I've become unbelievably busy with work this month so I've got no time to contribute at the moment anyway.

As an aside the work I've played with can be used running locally as well.

Barry 

    On Saturday, 25 June 2016, 7:08, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
 

 see http://www.technicalkeeda.com/spring/spring-boot-bindexception-address-already-in-use-bind
and http://serverquestions.com/questions/lpks/tomcat-and-jetty-only-work-once-in-windows-and-then-crash
in case you run into bindException on a different platform when running spring boot.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

Also, after I edit the html5/js/css pages, I always need to bring down the tomcat server and restart in order to see the new changes.
To do it correctly, in eclipse, I right click on the trace stack, in the popup menu, I choose "Terminate/Disconnect all" to bring down the server. This time, the port will be put OUT OF USE successfully, or else the port may still be "bind" to the server in a thread.
see attached.




On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:41 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:


When running SpringAppLeaf to start the tomcat server, I just just a port issue temporarily by adding a file that specify a port other than 8080.
see attached pic about starting on port 9090.

Will commit in a moment.

By the way, I'll start digging deeper into how well and how fast one can feed data from java to javascript in thymeleaf.
For now, as shown in the attached pic, all those numbers in the icons in the top right hand (email, notification and task) are fake, though they are programmable to change.



On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:48 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

Hi all,
I'm using someone's html design template to create a demo html page for mars net.
You can run SpringAppLeaf.java in eclipse and open a browser and enter "localhost:8080" to see it. 
The point is that there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful, almost ready-to-go html5/css/js templates or code snipplet out there for us to use, instead of having to creating UI from scratch.
Perhaps the next thing is adding in Barry's codes in bitbuckets.
See attached.

Will commit in a second.

Hi Barry, 

Can we first start building all the needed UI in html5/js/css for mars-sim in such a way that mars-sim can run on a local machine ?
And we will also add in a multiplayer mode for mars-sim to run on a network or across the internet.
When everything is ready, mars-sim will demonstrate its innovation in such a way to attract people around the world to donate a few bucks so that we can run as one persistent world or as a MMO in Amazon S3.
Let's dream on!
Manny

 
 









  

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] spring boot with thymeleaf

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

see
http://www.technicalkeeda.com/spring/spring-boot-bindexception-address-already-in-use-bind

and
http://serverquestions.com/questions/lpks/tomcat-and-jetty-only-work-once-in-windows-and-then-crash

in case you run into bindException on a different platform when running
spring boot.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:

> Also, after I edit the html5/js/css pages, I always need to bring down the
> tomcat server and restart in order to see the new changes.
>
> To do it correctly, in eclipse, I right click on the trace stack, in the
> popup menu, I choose "Terminate/Disconnect all" to bring down the server.
> This time, the port will be put OUT OF USE successfully, or else the port
> may still be "bind" to the server in a thread.
>
> see attached.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:41 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
>>
>> When running SpringAppLeaf to start the tomcat server, I just just a port
>> issue temporarily by adding a file that specify a port other than 8080.
>>
>> see attached pic about starting on port 9090.
>>
>>
>> Will commit in a moment.
>>
>>
>> By the way, I'll start digging deeper into how well and how fast one can
>> feed data from java to javascript in thymeleaf.
>>
>> For now, as shown in the attached pic, all those numbers in the icons in
>> the top right hand (email, notification and task) are fake, though they are
>> programmable to change.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:48 PM, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm using someone's html design template to create a demo html page for
>>> mars net.
>>>
>>> You can run SpringAppLeaf.java in eclipse and open a browser and enter
>>> "localhost:8080" to see it.
>>>
>>> The point is that there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful, almost
>>> ready-to-go html5/css/js templates or code snipplet out there for us to
>>> use, instead of having to creating UI from scratch.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the next thing is adding in Barry's codes in bitbuckets.
>>>
>>> See attached.
>>>
>>> Will commit in a second.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Barry,
>>>
>>> Can we first start building all the needed UI in html5/js/css for
>>> mars-sim in such a way that mars-sim can run on a local machine ?
>>>
>>> And we will also add in a multiplayer mode for mars-sim to run on a
>>> network or across the internet.
>>>
>>> When everything is ready, mars-sim will demonstrate its innovation in
>>> such a way to attract people around the world to donate a few bucks so that
>>> we can run as one persistent world or as a MMO in Amazon S3.
>>>
>>> Let's dream on!
>>>
>>> Manny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Mars-sim-developers] sound error

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Lars,

I've been getting this strange OGG sound error.

Do you have that in your eclipse running in eclipse or just that my eclipse
dev environment is screwed up again somehow after adding spring boot ?

Manny


------------------------------------------------


org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip$InternalException:
java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException
at
org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.playStream(OGGSoundClip.java:481)
at
org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.access$0(OGGSoundClip.java:399)
at org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip$1.run(OGGSoundClip.java:255)
Caused by: java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException
at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:338)
at
org.mars_sim.msp.ui.swing.sound.OGGSoundClip.playStream(OGGSoundClip.java:479)
... 2 more

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] from 3.08 to 3.1.0

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

I'll switch over some time this morning. The version tag on each class file
won't change though until later. We can create a new java class and update
all of them in batch mode.
On Jun 19, 2016 10:30 PM, <la...@na...> wrote:

> Hi Manny,
>
> Good idea. I think it's only logical, given the sheer amount of
> improvements in this version.
>
> - Lars
>
> manny kung skrev den 2016-06-20 04:23:
>
> Hi Scott and Lars,
>
> I've tested the change from 3.08-SNAPSHOT to 3.1.0-SNAPSHOT in my local
> copy of mars-sim. It looks like involving just a simple change in all
> pom.xml.
>
> So I'll commit in an hour or two if no one objects to it.
>
> Manny
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Are you OK with this? I think there are more than enough improvements to
>> justify it.
>>
>> - Lars
>>
>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 21:49, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> okay. I'll update the entry in messages.properties from 3.08 to 3.1.0.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good question. If it's 3.0.8 or 3.1.0 doesn't matter too much to me
>>> actually. I wonder what would justify a 4.0 label...
>>>
>>> On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:26, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>> is 3.08 the same as 3.0.8 or 3.8 ?
>>>
>>> What should be the rule of thumb for distinguishing between a major
>>> version, a minor version and/or a small revision ? I'd say if 3 is
>>> major version. then 0 is minor version and 8 is the revision, etc.
>>>
>>> We can begin this new versioning convention in 3.1 as we like.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:34 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By the way I think at least a version number increase to 3.1 (from
>>>> 3.0.7) is in order with all the new stuff :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Mar 2016, at 09:20, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I think a month is a good deadline to give ourselves.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I think we could put it online and maintain it on GitHub. It's what
>>>> e.g. Second Life does with their viewer. I'm actually thinking MSP should
>>>> eventually become a webapp, as client-side Java and its likes are slowly
>>>> getting phased out. Our focus on JavaFX might be a good step in this aspect
>>>> :-)
>>>> 2. cool idea. Collisions are definitely unwanted.
>>>> 3. Sounds good too !
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Mar 2016, at 20:25, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sure! Can we plan for the release of 3.8 within the next month or two?!
>>>>
>>>> With the bot walking bug gone, I'd say it's relatively stable right
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> A few other things we'll still need to finish :
>>>>
>>>> 1. fix the html help generator -- should we continue to use inline help
>>>> or add url to access online help instead ?
>>>> 2. add collision detection when placing a proposed building to see if
>>>> it collides with an existing building in Transport Wizard (also in
>>>> Construction Wizard)
>>>> 3. bot battery charging
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:35 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's gotten quiet, and it's mostly my fault. I committed to fixing
>>>>> some things and I haven't. I'd still like to volunteer for 2 things: fixing
>>>>> the music player and moving to GitHub. After the first, I suggest we make a
>>>>> release as it's been quite a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you say?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Transform Data into Opportunity.
>>>>> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with
>>>>> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library.
>>>>> Click to learn more.
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with
>>>> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library.
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>
>

Re: [Mars-sim-developers] from 3.08 to 3.1.0

[<la...@na...>]

Hi Manny, 

Good idea. I think it's only logical, given the sheer amount of
improvements in this version. 

- Lars 

manny kung skrev den 2016-06-20 04:23:

> Hi Scott and Lars, 
> 
> I've tested the change from 3.08-SNAPSHOT to 3.1.0-SNAPSHOT in my local copy of mars-sim. It looks like involving just a simple change in all pom.xml.  
> 
> So I'll commit in an hour or two if no one objects to it. 
> 
> Manny 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott, 
> 
> Are you OK with this? I think there are more than enough improvements to justify it. 
> 
> - Lars 
> 
> On 15 Apr 2016, at 21:49, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote: 
> 
> okay. I'll update the entry in messages.properties from 3.08 to 3.1.0. 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote: 
> 
> Good question. If it's 3.0.8 or 3.1.0 doesn't matter too much to me actually. I wonder what would justify a 4.0 label... 
> 
> On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:26, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote: 
> 
> is 3.08 the same as 3.0.8 or 3.8 ? 
> 
> What should be the rule of thumb for distinguishing between a major version, a minor version and/or a small revision ? I'd say if 3 is major version. then 0 is minor version and 8 is the revision, etc. 
> 
> We can begin this new versioning convention in 3.1 as we like. 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:34 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote: 
> 
> By the way I think at least a version number increase to 3.1 (from 3.0.7) is in order with all the new stuff :-) 
> 
> On 30 Mar 2016, at 09:20, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote: 
> 
> Yeah, I think a month is a good deadline to give ourselves. 
> 
> 1. I think we could put it online and maintain it on GitHub. It's what e.g. Second Life does with their viewer. I'm actually thinking MSP should eventually become a webapp, as client-side Java and its likes are slowly getting phased out. Our focus on JavaFX might be a good step in this aspect :-) 
> 2. cool idea. Collisions are definitely unwanted. 
> 3. Sounds good too ! 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2016, at 20:25, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote: 
> 
> Sure! Can we plan for the release of 3.8 within the next month or two?! 
> 
> With the bot walking bug gone, I'd say it's relatively stable right now. 
> 
> A few other things we'll still need to finish : 
> 
> 1. fix the html help generator -- should we continue to use inline help or add url to access online help instead ? 
> 2. add collision detection when placing a proposed building to see if it collides with an existing building in Transport Wizard (also in Construction Wizard) 
> 3. bot battery charging 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:35 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote: Hi everybody,
> 
> It's gotten quiet, and it's mostly my fault. I committed to fixing some things and I haven't. I'd still like to volunteer for 2 things: fixing the music player and moving to GitHub. After the first, I suggest we make a release as it's been quite a while.
> 
> What do you say?
> 
> - Lars
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Transform Data into Opportunity.
> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with
> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library.
> Click to learn more.
> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785351&iu=/4140
> _______________________________________________
> Mars-sim-developers mailing list
> Mar...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mars-sim-developers

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[Mars-sim-developers] from 3.08 to 3.1.0

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi Scott and Lars,

I've tested the change from 3.08-SNAPSHOT to 3.1.0-SNAPSHOT in my local
copy of mars-sim. It looks like involving just a simple change in all
pom.xml.

So I'll commit in an hour or two if no one objects to it.

Manny


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> Are you OK with this? I think there are more than enough improvements to
> justify it.
>
> - Lars
>
> On 15 Apr 2016, at 21:49, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>
> okay. I'll update the entry in messages.properties from 3.08 to 3.1.0.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:
>
>> Good question. If it’s 3.0.8 or 3.1.0 doesn’t matter too much to me
>> actually. I wonder what would justify a 4.0 label…
>>
>> On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:26, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> is 3.08 the same as 3.0.8 or 3.8 ?
>>
>> What should be the rule of thumb for distinguishing between a major
>> version, a minor version and/or a small revision ? I'd say if 3 is major
>> version. then 0 is minor version and 8 is the revision, etc.
>>
>> We can begin this new versioning convention in 3.1 as we like.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:34 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By the way I think at least a version number increase to 3.1 (from
>>> 3.0.7) is in order with all the new stuff :-)
>>>
>>> On 30 Mar 2016, at 09:20, Lars Christensen <la...@na...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, I think a month is a good deadline to give ourselves.
>>>
>>> 1. I think we could put it online and maintain it on GitHub. It’s what
>>> e.g. Second Life does with their viewer. I’m actually thinking MSP should
>>> eventually become a webapp, as client-side Java and its likes are slowly
>>> getting phased out. Our focus on JavaFX might be a good step in this aspect
>>> :-)
>>> 2. cool idea. Collisions are definitely unwanted.
>>> 3. Sounds good too !
>>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2016, at 20:25, manny kung <man...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure! Can we plan for the release of 3.8 within the next month or two?!
>>>
>>> With the bot walking bug gone, I'd say it's relatively stable right now.
>>>
>>> A few other things we'll still need to finish :
>>>
>>> 1. fix the html help generator -- should we continue to use inline help
>>> or add url to access online help instead ?
>>> 2. add collision detection when placing a proposed building to see if it
>>> collides with an existing building in Transport Wizard (also in
>>> Construction Wizard)
>>> 3. bot battery charging
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:35 AM Lars Christensen <la...@na...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> It’s gotten quiet, and it’s mostly my fault. I committed to fixing some
>>>> things and I haven’t. I’d still like to volunteer for 2 things: fixing the
>>>> music player and moving to GitHub. After the first, I suggest we make a
>>>> release as it’s been quite a while.
>>>>
>>>> What do you say?
>>>>
>>>> - Lars
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[Mars-sim-developers] UTF-8 vs. 16

[manny k. <man...@gm...>]

Hi all,

Since we are going i18n in mars-sim, I thought you may want to read this.

http://utf8everywhere.org/

In the past, I always thought UTF-16 is supposed to be better than UTF-8
but the author of this article arguments in favor of UTF-8 instead.

See if you like some of the things he pointed out.

Anyway, character encoding has been a somewhat confusion subject for me.

Manny