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[Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

Hi,
I thought I'd break the ice and be the first to post some comments here :)

I've been using LXP for about a month now, ever since it was first
announced on the IceWM list. Overall it's a pleasant experience, obviously
a lot of thought has gone into it's creation.

I have a bit of a problem with the default applications menu in that you get
*everything* in one very long menu rather than broken down into sub-menus.
Yes, I know there are a few solutions to this - a couple of IceWM-specific
menu editors and a menu generation application called MenuMaker to name a
few. I was wondering if there were any plans for improvement in this area
for future versions of LXP?

Thanks!
Myles
--=20
The other line moves faster.

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello,
First of all, thanks for using and testing LXP.

Please, send me the following information
1.- Operating system and version.
cat /etc/redhat-release
cat /etc/SuSE-release
2.- Application entry in menu file:
cat $HOME/.icewm/menu | grep icewm-menu
3.- Execute the command that generate the Applications menu (see the result
of te last command):
icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr.....

I'm not know exactly the structure of gnome menus in each linux
distribution.
I think that icewm-menu-gnome2 could be inproved.
Other solution is to create a new utility to substitute icewm-menu-gnome2
probably done in perl.

Thanks
Manolo


On 9/5/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I thought I'd break the ice and be the first to post some comments here :)
>
> I've been using LXP for about a month now, ever since it was first
> announced on the IceWM list. Overall it's a pleasant experience, obviously
> a lot of thought has gone into it's creation.
>
> I have a bit of a problem with the default applications menu in that you
> get
> *everything* in one very long menu rather than broken down into sub-menus.
> Yes, I know there are a few solutions to this - a couple of IceWM-specific
> menu editors and a menu generation application called MenuMaker to name a
> few. I was wondering if there were any plans for improvement in this area
> for future versions of LXP?
>
> Thanks!
> Myles
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Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:02:35 +0200
"Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:

> Hello,
> First of all, thanks for using and testing LXP.

Hi Manolo,
It's my pleasure to help with LXP
 
> Please, send me the following information
> 1.- Operating system and version.
> cat /etc/redhat-release

Fedora Core release 5.91 (FC6 Test2)

It's updated from the development branch (Rawhide) every morning...

> cat /etc/SuSE-release
> 2.- Application entry in menu file:
> cat $HOME/.icewm/menu | grep icewm-menu

menuprog Applications folder icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr/share/applications 

> 3.- Execute the command that generate the Applications menu (see the
> result of te last command):
> icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr.....

OK the output is attached as "applications-menu.txt"

> I'm not know exactly the structure of gnome menus in each linux
> distribution.

No, I don't expect that you would.

> I think that icewm-menu-gnome2 could be inproved.

I agree 100%

> Other solution is to create a new utility to substitute icewm-menu-gnome2
> probably done in perl.

Take a look at this program, it's written in Python:
http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/

You can download it here:
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/menumaker/menumaker-0.99.7.tar.gz

It worked very well with Debian/Ubuntu but I get an error when running it on
Fedora (any version):

mmaker -v -f -t gterm icewm
* scanning
  desktop...Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/mmaker", line 3, in ?
    import MenuMaker.CLI
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/MenuMaker/CLI.py", line 227, in ?
    desktop = Prophet.Desktop.scan()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 153, in scan
    result.append(App(os.path.join(w[0], x)))
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 266, in
__new__ self.__setup__(desktop)
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 286, in
__setup__ super(App, self).__setup__()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/__init__.py", line 265, in __setup__
    self.setExename()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 329, in
setExename self.testGoodness(cmd)
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/__init__.py", line 261, in testGoodness
    if _shStart.search(cmd) or _shComplexCmd.search(cmd) :
TypeError: expected string or buffer

Thanks, Myles
-- 
I didn't know he was dead; I thought he was British.

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello Myles

Finally I've released lxp with:
1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
icewm-menu-gnome2.
2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
3.- Support for .deb distributions
3.- Other minor fixes

I'd like you try this release and comment it.
Thank you very much for your suggestions

Manuel Carrasco

On 9/6/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:00:54 +0200
> "Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:
>
> > Please, test this procedure in your computer:
> > 1.- modify the menu file manually and see that the menulist is grouped
> > 2.- download new versions of icewm-menu-gnome2 and lxp and install them.
> > 3.- delete your menu file
> > 4.- login and see the diference
> > 5.- let me know your results
>
> Hi Manolo,
>
> Yes! That's *much* better, I now have 6 sub-menus under "Applications":
>
> Accessories
> Programming
> Games
> Graphics
> Internet
> Sound and Video
>
> It does take less time to generate the Applications menu after login
> compared to before, though there are much less than the 504 apps in the
> previous version. Still, it's a lot better this way and besides, it's easy
> enough to add a couple of things to the either menu or toolbar if needed.
>
> Thank you for your quick response and solution to this, very professional.
>
> If there's anything else you want to work on or test out please feel free
> to contact me, I'd be more than happy to test things for you.
>
> On my own setup I've taken to using Xfdesktop from Xfce-4.4rc1 instead of
> Idesk. It gives you launchers on the desktop, the ability to adjust the
> brightness of the background image plus the added bonus of the Xfce
> desktop
> menu. Would it be possible to make the choice of desktop handlers
> configurable based on what other Desktop Environments or Window Managers
> are
> available on any given system? On the other hand that might make things
> too
> complicated for new users. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks again, Myles
> --
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> [offer void where prohibited]
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>
>
>

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:29:33 +0100
"Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:

> Hello Myles

Hello! It's been a while since we corresponded, good to hear from you.

> Finally I've released lxp with:
> 1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
> icewm-menu-gnome2.
> 2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
> xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
> 3.- Support for .deb distributions
> 3.- Other minor fixes

Sounds like you've been pretty busy :-) You know, your timing is
*perfect*!! Believe it or not I had just finished a net-install of Debian
Etch when I got your email. Unfortunately it took me a little longer to
restore all my files/applications than I thought it would. I just
downloaded the .deb files a few minutes ago, installed them and I'm
currently using LXP.

> I'd like you try this release and comment it.
> Thank you very much for your suggestions
>=20
> Manuel Carrasco

Well, I've only been logged into LXP for about 5 minutes so far but I
definitely like what I'm seeing!! Very much indeed.

The new menu is awesome, every entry (and there are tons of them...) has an
icon and so far I haven't found any entries that 'don't work'. I'm not
going to try them all as I would be here all night clicking on menu entries.
I've just now spent about 10 minutes going though the menu starting
applications and switching themes back and forth with nothing bad
happening. Nice work.=20

I'll keep 'torture testing' LXP on Debian Etch for the next few days but I
think it will be pretty safe to say it's been tested under Debian as well
as Ubuntu/Xubuntu and Fedora Core 5 (I've tested it myself on those
distros).

Switching between idesk, nautilus and 'none' works well - I haven't
installed Xfce yet but that should be completed pretty soon so I'll be able
to play around some more <grin>. Would it be possible to add rox-filer to
the already impressive list of possible desktops? I know there are a lot of
people using Rox with Icewm so it might be a good idea to add it to the
list. I'm going to be busy for most of tomorrow (Thursday) but I should be
able to look through the configs later in the day and maybe I can hack out
a patch to include Rox... we'll see :-)

Anyway, thank you for your attention to detail(s) and for bringing LXP into
this world, it's a very useful project. Have you thought about getting a
PayPal account and/or setting up a bank account so that people could make
donations to the project? I looked around the site but didn't see
anything...

Thanks again,
Myles
--
Myles Green
Geek by nature. Linux by choice.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.=20
It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello, again.

Sorry for the delay, but last months I was overworked, and I had not much
time for lookXP.

Also I was working in submiting patches to the official release of icewm in
order to add my changes to it. Some of my changes has been included, but
others are waiting and the process it is too slow.
Now I'm doubtfull about what to do, I'm thinking in maintain my own branch
of icewm and rename it in order to easily maintain the lxp package in
official repositories of ubuntu fedora etc.

Are good news that lxp  works in debian, so I'll include it in tested
distros.

The new menu tries to show all applications that are in the HD, it searchs
for applications under the folders /usr/share/applications and
/usr/app-install/desktop then it distribute them according with the system
configuration under /etc/xdg/menus and /usr/share/desktop-directories.  It's
dificult to accomodate it to every systems.

The list of applications is huge, so icewm waste a lot of time the first
time it's invoked, for this reason the default option for the menu generator
is not to show icons for applications, you can force showing icons adding
the parameter --icons=1. I'm planning to modify icewm in order to load icons
when they are demanded and not when the menu is created (like does xfe,
gnome and others).

I'm working in order the user could create custom entries in his menu i.e:
menuprog "Settings" folder lxp-menu-generator --icons=1
/etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu

Switching between desktop is the more recent feature so I'm not tested it
fully,  it works very well with xfdesktop (it needs some entries in
winoption file that lxp-startup includes), idesk also has needed some
workarround,  but nautilus some times refuses to load, and kdesktop looks to
work fine but it needs something in winoptions in order  to  hidden it's
icon in  alt-tab menu.
Let me know your experience with rox.

Than you for your suggestion about the money, but at the moment I think the
project need more help than money. I'll be pleased to include people
(developers, testers, designers etc) in the project.

Regards
Manolo

On 11/30/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:29:33 +0100
> "Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:
>
> > Hello Myles
>
> Hello! It's been a while since we corresponded, good to hear from you.
>
> > Finally I've released lxp with:
> > 1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
> > icewm-menu-gnome2.
> > 2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
> > xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
> > 3.- Support for .deb distributions
> > 3.- Other minor fixes
>
> Sounds like you've been pretty busy :-) You know, your timing is
> *perfect*!! Believe it or not I had just finished a net-install of Debian
> Etch when I got your email. Unfortunately it took me a little longer to
> restore all my files/applications than I thought it would. I just
> downloaded the .deb files a few minutes ago, installed them and I'm
> currently using LXP.
>
> > I'd like you try this release and comment it.
> > Thank you very much for your suggestions
> >
> > Manuel Carrasco
>
> Well, I've only been logged into LXP for about 5 minutes so far but I
> definitely like what I'm seeing!! Very much indeed.
>
> The new menu is awesome, every entry (and there are tons of them...) has
> an
> icon and so far I haven't found any entries that 'don't work'. I'm not
> going to try them all as I would be here all night clicking on menu
> entries.
> I've just now spent about 10 minutes going though the menu starting
> applications and switching themes back and forth with nothing bad
> happening. Nice work.
>
> I'll keep 'torture testing' LXP on Debian Etch for the next few days but I
> think it will be pretty safe to say it's been tested under Debian as well
> as Ubuntu/Xubuntu and Fedora Core 5 (I've tested it myself on those
> distros).
>
> Switching between idesk, nautilus and 'none' works well - I haven't
> installed Xfce yet but that should be completed pretty soon so I'll be
> able
> to play around some more <grin>. Would it be possible to add rox-filer to
> the already impressive list of possible desktops? I know there are a lot
> of
> people using Rox with Icewm so it might be a good idea to add it to the
> list. I'm going to be busy for most of tomorrow (Thursday) but I should be
> able to look through the configs later in the day and maybe I can hack out
> a patch to include Rox... we'll see :-)
>
> Anyway, thank you for your attention to detail(s) and for bringing LXP
> into
> this world, it's a very useful project. Have you thought about getting a
> PayPal account and/or setting up a bank account so that people could make
> donations to the project? I looked around the site but didn't see
> anything...
>
> Thanks again,
> Myles
> --
> Myles Green
> Geek by nature. Linux by choice.
> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)
>
>
>