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Re: [Lxp-users] idesk and xfe not present in the package

[J.D. A. <jda...@ya...>]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:02:13 +0530
"Sid Kapoor" <sid...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I downloaded "Look Win XP Desktop: icewm+idesk+xfe" package from
> sourceforge.net
> But as described, the idesk and xfe utilities were not present in the
> package. I just got binaries for lxp-icewm.
> Can anyone tell why the package of idesk and xfe were not present in
> it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Siddharth

I'm not with the Lxp team (erm, should already be with the translations
BTW! Gotta get myself to that!!!) but I've never seen those
applications you mention actually bundled-in the lxp package - I
suppose they are something like "recommended but not mandatoryy
packages"...?
I actually use neither idesk nor xfe but rather rox to do the same as
those two would, only better (IMHO) !

[Lxp-users] idesk and xfe not present in the package

[Sid K. <sid...@gm...>]

Hi,

I downloaded "Look Win XP Desktop: icewm+idesk+xfe" package from
sourceforge.net
But as described, the idesk and xfe utilities were not present in the
package. I just got binaries for lxp-icewm.
Can anyone tell why the package of idesk and xfe were not present in it?

Thanks,
Siddharth

[Lxp-users] Translating to Portuguese and French - quick question

[J.D. A. <jda...@ya...>]

Hey guys!

I'm available to do those transltions now.

But I need to know... Where should I pick up the sources to translate
from?

Should I just get the stable release sources or maybe some CVVS, SVN or
such release?

In the later case, where from (link)?

Thanks,
Jean Ackle

Re: [Lxp-users] Congratulations on LXP + a couple questions/comments + offer to translate to Portuguese and French

[Jean A. <jda...@ya...>]

Thanks for your reply, Myles! :)

More from me below:

Myles Green wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:05:25 +0100
> Jean Ackle <jda...@ya...> wrote:
>
>   
>> Congratulations for a great job to all the developers of lxp!
>>
>> It looks good, feels a lot better than the original ice-wm and
>> overall provides a much pleasant experience!
>> Well done! :-)
>>     
>
> Thanks! We're glad you are enjoying it.
>
>   
>> Now the questions:
>>
>> First off, I'm using Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS Dapper Drake...
>>
>> 1. Both my Thunderbird and my Pidgin apps are local installs, not
>> from .deb packages, thus installed in /usr/local.
>> For that I had to add a few paths to the icon-path list - no prob
>> with that. BUT as you can see in the attached picture, the icons for
>> those apps do not include their "transparency", i.e., they have a
>> "boxed" background color around them, which BTW does not happen with
>> the icons for the same apps in the
>> toolbar./usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm I'm guessing the
>> concerned icons are:
>> * /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/50x50/apps/thunderbird.xpm (symlink 
>> pointing to /usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm)
>> * /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/pidgin.svg (this is
>> the automatically selected one as, before I added the scalable
>> version of the Pidgin icon, I could get no icon for it at all)
>>     
>
> Right, this is caused by the icons being a size other than 32x32. If
> you use The GIMP to re-size these icons then you will end up with a
> transparent background for the icons in question. [ NB: The main (root)
> menu uses 32x32 icons, the taskbar and sub-menus use 16x16 icons.]
>   
I haven't sorted this out for Thunderbird yet (resizing it in Gimp).
However, Pidgin does provide a 32x32 icon, only in .png format - guess 
that format is not supported...? I know, I can export it to .xpm in th 
Gimp as well... :)

>   
>> 2. I'm using the ROX-Desktop which poses two questions:
>>
>> 2.1. If I select it from the "Switch desktop" tray-applet, I'll get a 
>> default, almost blank ROX desktop, whereas if I invoke it with
>> "-p=jean" it will then load that particular pinboard which I had
>> already previously setup.
>> Is it possible to edit how (with what command-line like option) will
>> the "Switch desktop" applet call ROX? How?
>> I currently have ROX running from the ~/.lxp-icewm/startup file I
>> copied from ~/.icewm so this is not an actual problem for me but it
>> does diminish that great applet's
>> usefulness... :-(
>>     
>
> Take a look at /usr/bin/lxp-switch-desktop (it's a script not a binary)
> and you will be able to edit it so it calls ROX the way you want.
>   
I've edited /usr/bin/lxp-switch-desktop as you suggested and now 
selecting rox from the taskbar-icon works perfectly.

However, I'd assume that'd set rox as the default desktop environment. 
Thus I removed the rox entry I had in ~/.lxp-icewm/startup, hoping it 
would nonetheless be started up automatically. That did not happen.
 Contents of ~/.lxp-icewm/.defaultdesktop is: rox
Also tried with both nautilus and kdesktop. None seems to be set as 
default. :-(

AND... something reallly odd: in my ~/.lxp-icewm/startup script, I have 
a line to play a login sound and it worked great til I started playing 
with the the "Switch desktop" icon...
So I thought for some strange reason my ~/.lxp-icewm/startup script 
might have stopped being executed. So I added conky to it just to see if 
that was true but conky DID get started! Now I'm really confused!
I DO have sound though - I actually tried executing the sound-play 
command from xterm and it worked.
I can't figure how this lack of sound playing from the startup script 
might be related to the Switch desktop icon and this whole issue but 
there WAS a relation in time... And maybe you guys can figure something 
out of this...?

>  
>   
>> 2.2. ROX is taking over the desktop background (as it always does
>> even if you don't set it up to load any image or color) but I kind of
>> like the background lxp comes with. Only... I could not find where it
>> is located (so I can use it with ROX). Even issuing "dpkg -L lxp" and
>> "dpkg -L lxp-icewm" gave me nothing to work with.
>>     
>
> /usr/share/lxp-icewm/themes/LookXP-Human/wallpaper.png
>   
Done! Worked perfectly, of course! Thanks! :)
>   
>> Also, in plain ol' icewm, I used to just shut down icewmbg as it was 
>> doing nothing useful anyway. But when I do that in lxp and without
>> the ROX desktop... I get that exact same lxp background! So I guess
>> you're loading it in some other way...? Would be nice to be able to
>> free up the memory used by it if needed...
>>     
>
> Have you checked to see if lxp-icewmbg is actually running? You can do
> that by entering the following command in an xterm: 
>
> ps ax | grep icewmbg
>   
Actually... with all of the above I didn't even care to notice that 
anymore... But I can restore my setup to the previous state and check 
for that if you want.
However when logging into lxp (to try the default desktop thing) I did 
not always get the same result! Rox was NEVER up BUT the background 
might be either a black background or the lxp background...
However I did have (and already had it before a line in my startup 
script to kill icewmbg (now lxp-icewmbg)...

> and it should show you that it (lxp-icewmbg) isn't running. Once it
> sets the background image it exits. You can lessen the amount of RAM
> being used by converting 'wallpaper.png' into a JPeg image (GIMP is
> your friend ;-) ) and modifying the entry for the background in 
> /usr/share/lxp-icewm/themes/LookXP-Human/default.theme, it's near the
> bottom in the 'Desktop' section. Of course, you need to be root (or use
> the sudo command) in order to make these changes :-)
>   
Thanks! GREAT TIP! :-D
>
>   
>> For the translations' offer:
>>
>> I've seen of your sourceforge.net page lxp is presently translated
>> only to English and Spanish.
>> I can translate it to Portuguese and French too if you like.
>> Nontheless, I have experience in translating applications only with 
>> Firefox (to pt-PT) and by that I mean receiving HTML and XML files
>> and returning the messages in there translated. I have no real
>> experience with say gettext or whatever you use (I've spontaneously
>> done one small one a while back for a very small project - the
>> developper never came back to me or, that I'm aware of, used it).
>> Also... Not sure in what time I can do it - this month's going to be 
>> quite busy for me...
>>     
>
> You could do the translations and post them here so one of us can add
> them to the packages.
>   
TODO-TODO-TODO!
But can't promise when... I'm looking for a job in either a) another 
city or b) another country...

> On behalf of the team I'd like to thank you for your kind words and
> your contribution to the translations. I hope I was able to answer your
> questions adequately enough for you to "tweak" LXP to suit your
> desires.
>
> Regards, Myles
>   
Thank you Myles! You've been a big help!
Cheers!
Jean
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Re: [Lxp-users] Congratulations on LXP + a couple questions/comments + offer to translate to Portuguese and French

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:05:25 +0100
Jean Ackle <jda...@ya...> wrote:

> Congratulations for a great job to all the developers of lxp!
>=20
> It looks good, feels a lot better than the original ice-wm and
> overall provides a much pleasant experience!
> Well done! :-)

Thanks! We're glad you are enjoying it.

> Now the questions:
>=20
> First off, I'm using Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS Dapper Drake...
>=20
> 1. Both my Thunderbird and my Pidgin apps are local installs, not
> from .deb packages, thus installed in /usr/local.
> For that I had to add a few paths to the icon-path list - no prob
> with that. BUT as you can see in the attached picture, the icons for
> those apps do not include their "transparency", i.e., they have a
> "boxed" background color around them, which BTW does not happen with
> the icons for the same apps in the
> toolbar./usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm I'm guessing the
> concerned icons are:
> * /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/50x50/apps/thunderbird.xpm (symlink=20
> pointing to /usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm)
> * /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/pidgin.svg (this is
> the automatically selected one as, before I added the scalable
> version of the Pidgin icon, I could get no icon for it at all)

Right, this is caused by the icons being a size other than 32x32. If
you use The GIMP to re-size these icons then you will end up with a
transparent background for the icons in question. [ NB: The main (root)
menu uses 32x32 icons, the taskbar and sub-menus use 16x16 icons.]

> 2. I'm using the ROX-Desktop which poses two questions:
>=20
> 2.1. If I select it from the "Switch desktop" tray-applet, I'll get a=20
> default, almost blank ROX desktop, whereas if I invoke it with
> "-p=3Djean" it will then load that particular pinboard which I had
> already previously setup.
> Is it possible to edit how (with what command-line like option) will
> the "Switch desktop" applet call ROX? How?
> I currently have ROX running from the ~/.lxp-icewm/startup file I
> copied from ~/.icewm so this is not an actual problem for me but it
> does diminish that great applet's
> usefulness... :-(

Take a look at /usr/bin/lxp-switch-desktop (it's a script not a binary)
and you will be able to edit it so it calls ROX the way you want.
=20
> 2.2. ROX is taking over the desktop background (as it always does
> even if you don't set it up to load any image or color) but I kind of
> like the background lxp comes with. Only... I could not find where it
> is located (so I can use it with ROX). Even issuing "dpkg -L lxp" and
> "dpkg -L lxp-icewm" gave me nothing to work with.

/usr/share/lxp-icewm/themes/LookXP-Human/wallpaper.png

> Also, in plain ol' icewm, I used to just shut down icewmbg as it was=20
> doing nothing useful anyway. But when I do that in lxp and without
> the ROX desktop... I get that exact same lxp background! So I guess
> you're loading it in some other way...? Would be nice to be able to
> free up the memory used by it if needed...

Have you checked to see if lxp-icewmbg is actually running? You can do
that by entering the following command in an xterm:=20

ps ax | grep icewmbg

and it should show you that it (lxp-icewmbg) isn't running. Once it
sets the background image it exits. You can lessen the amount of RAM
being used by converting 'wallpaper.png' into a JPeg image (GIMP is
your friend ;-) ) and modifying the entry for the background in=20
/usr/share/lxp-icewm/themes/LookXP-Human/default.theme, it's near the
bottom in the 'Desktop' section. Of course, you need to be root (or use
the sudo command) in order to make these changes :-)


> For the translations' offer:
>=20
> I've seen of your sourceforge.net page lxp is presently translated
> only to English and Spanish.
> I can translate it to Portuguese and French too if you like.
> Nontheless, I have experience in translating applications only with=20
> Firefox (to pt-PT) and by that I mean receiving HTML and XML files
> and returning the messages in there translated. I have no real
> experience with say gettext or whatever you use (I've spontaneously
> done one small one a while back for a very small project - the
> developper never came back to me or, that I'm aware of, used it).
> Also... Not sure in what time I can do it - this month's going to be=20
> quite busy for me...

You could do the translations and post them here so one of us can add
them to the packages.

On behalf of the team I'd like to thank you for your kind words and
your contribution to the translations. I hope I was able to answer your
questions adequately enough for you to "tweak" LXP to suit your
desires.

Regards, Myles
=20
--=20
Myles

[Lxp-users] The file missing from my previous message...

[Jean A. <jda...@ya...>]

[Lxp-users] Congratulations on LXP + a couple questions/comments + offer to translate to Portuguese and French

[Jean A. <jda...@ya...>]

Congratulations for a great job to all the developers of lxp!

It looks good, feels a lot better than the original ice-wm and overall 
provides a much pleasant experience!
Well done! :-)


Now the questions:

First off, I'm using Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS Dapper Drake...

1. Both my Thunderbird and my Pidgin apps are local installs, not from 
.deb packages, thus installed in /usr/local.
For that I had to add a few paths to the icon-path list - no prob with 
that. BUT as you can see in the attached picture, the icons for those 
apps do not include their "transparency", i.e., they have a "boxed" 
background color around them, which BTW does not happen with the icons 
for the same apps in the toolbar./usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm
I'm guessing the concerned icons are:
* /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/50x50/apps/thunderbird.xpm (symlink 
pointing to /usr/local/thunderbird/icons/mozicon50.xpm)
* /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/pidgin.svg (this is the 
automatically selected one as, before I added the scalable version of 
the Pidgin icon, I could get no icon for it at all)

2. I'm using the ROX-Desktop which poses two questions:

2.1. If I select it from the "Switch desktop" tray-applet, I'll get a 
default, almost blank ROX desktop, whereas if I invoke it with "-p=jean" 
it will then load that particular pinboard which I had already 
previously setup.
Is it possible to edit how (with what command-line like option) will the 
"Switch desktop" applet call ROX? How?
I currently have ROX running from the ~/.lxp-icewm/startup file I copied 
from ~/.icewm so this is not an actual problem for me but it does 
diminish that great applet's usefulness... :-(

2.2. ROX is taking over the desktop background (as it always does even 
if you don't set it up to load any image or color) but I kind of like 
the background lxp comes with. Only... I could not find where it is 
located (so I can use it with ROX). Even issuing "dpkg -L lxp" and "dpkg 
-L lxp-icewm" gave me nothing to work with.
Also, in plain ol' icewm, I used to just shut down icewmbg as it was 
doing nothing useful anyway. But when I do that in lxp and without the 
ROX desktop... I get that exact same lxp background! So I guess you're 
loading it in some other way...? Would be nice to be able to free up the 
memory used by it if needed...


For the translations' offer:

I've seen of your sourceforge.net page lxp is presently translated only 
to English and Spanish.
I can translate it to Portuguese and French too if you like.
Nontheless, I have experience in translating applications only with 
Firefox (to pt-PT) and by that I mean receiving HTML and XML files and 
returning the messages in there translated. I have no real experience 
with say gettext or whatever you use (I've spontaneously done one small 
one a while back for a very small project - the developper never came 
back to me or, that I'm aware of, used it).
Also... Not sure in what time I can do it - this month's going to be 
quite busy for me...


Cheers!
Jean Ackle

[Lxp-users] proposal for inclusion to lxp

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

I have been using icewm for years and came across a patch by Thomas
Holder that turns the desktop switching buttons into a proper pager. By
that I mean it shows mini window inside the buttons. I've attached an
image to illustrate. 

The patch can be obtained from here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1394863&group_id=31&atid=300031

It is the one thing I miss when using lxp and something I would
*really* like to be included in future versions of it.

Thanks!

Myles
-- 
Myles Green
Geek by nature. Unix by choice.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. 
It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)

[Lxp-users] FF and TB themes

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

Hi, yesterday I posted a reply regarding write-ups of some tips for
lxp, specifically XP themes for, as the subject says, FF and TB.

Now, I've no idea which themes the poster (Eric Rothoff) was refering
to but after doing a quick search at addons.mozilla.org I have located
3 themes for both FF and TB that offer silver, green and blue versions.
I wonder if these are the ones people want as far as visual integration
with Lxp?=20

They can be found here:

Silver for TB: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/895/
Green for TB:https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/893/
Blue for TB: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/891/

Silver for FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/894/
Green for FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/892/
Blue for FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/890/

and judging by the simplicity of the procedure, is it /really/
necessary to do a write-up on how to install themes? I mean its your
basic click to install, restart FF/TB and you're set to go.
--=20
Myles Green
Geek by nature. Unix by choice.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.=20
It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)

Re: [Lxp-users] Like what you have done...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:40:39 +0100
"Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:

> > 2) You are to add the themes to Thunderbird and Firefox manually,
> > right?
>=20
>=20
> Yes you have to add these themes, I think would be useful write some
> documents about this tricks and publish it into the lxp site.

Hi Folks,
I've been assembling a set of "Tips 'n' Tricks" specific to lxp however
this is proving to be a bit of a challenge. Due to the wide variety of
distributions available "out there", a trick that works with
distribution "A" doesn't necessarily work with distribution "B" or "C".
Having said that, I'm putting the finishing touches on a preliminary
set of "T 'n' T" covering Debian (and Debian-based distributions),
Fedora Core (and FC/RedHat based distributions) and OpenSUSE.

I need to do a complete re-install of my Debian-based setup - I forgot
that I *WASN'T* in VMware full-screen mode when I tried something - but
once that's done I'll set up VMware with Debian, Fedora Core 6 and
OpenSUSE VM's so I can verify that things work with at least those 3
distributions.=20

Getting back to the FF/TB themes, I'll do a proper writeup of this
process as soon as I get my host system reinstalled and configured. I
should have something posted to the site by Saturday March 3 24:00 UTC
at the absolute latest.

Regards, Myles
--=20
Myles Green
Geek by nature. Unix by choice.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.=20
It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)

Re: [Lxp-users] Like what you have done...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello Eric,

First of all thank you for your comments. Second I'll cc this mail to
lxp-users list.

On 01/03/07, Eric Rothoff <ero...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hi Manuel,
>   I like what you have done and what you are trying to do. Some
> ideas/suggestions/Questions:
>
> 1) xfe doesn't have the "windows three" (Minimize, Maximize, and close)
> tabs.


I think the title bar of the window is out of the desktop when you start
xfe, try move it by clicking with the right button over the taskbar. I think
it could be fixed in lxp-icewm winoptions. I'll try to investigate this
issue.

2) You are to add the themes to Thunderbird and Firefox manually, right?


Yes you have to add these themes, I think would be useful write some
documents about this tricks and publish it into the lxp site.

3) Do you have a way of changing the resolution of the desktop? Your comment
> on the buttons were very small and hard to read.


You can use an external program like gnome-display-properties.
I don't understand what do you say about the comments, if you are refering
to the tooltips of the taskbar, this is configurable in your
$HOME/.lxp-icewm/prefoverride i.e: TooTipFontNameXft="verdana:size=12"

4) Do you have a menu editor for the start button? My menu was pretty messed
> up. (But it usually is when you install a different desktop.)


No, lxp has not any menu editor, you have to use a text editor

5) Do you plan on adding some type of control panel for setting like XP?


It could be posible, but first it is necesary choose adecuate programs for
each task, make the packages and make the menu or the adecuate launcher

6) Do you have a particular Linux distro that you prefer? (I currently like
> xubuntu, but like most, it has some drawbacks.)


I enjoy all, but I use RedHatEnterprise or CentOS in production servers, and
Fedora or ubuntus in desktops

7) What is your target hardware configuration?


I use a cheaper Asus laptop Z53F

8) Where do you live?


Madrid, Spain

Well, I could write much more, but I think I will wait on that until later.
>
> Keep up the good work.
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>


Regards
Manolo

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello, again.

Sorry for the delay, but last months I was overworked, and I had not much
time for lookXP.

Also I was working in submiting patches to the official release of icewm in
order to add my changes to it. Some of my changes has been included, but
others are waiting and the process it is too slow.
Now I'm doubtfull about what to do, I'm thinking in maintain my own branch
of icewm and rename it in order to easily maintain the lxp package in
official repositories of ubuntu fedora etc.

Are good news that lxp  works in debian, so I'll include it in tested
distros.

The new menu tries to show all applications that are in the HD, it searchs
for applications under the folders /usr/share/applications and
/usr/app-install/desktop then it distribute them according with the system
configuration under /etc/xdg/menus and /usr/share/desktop-directories.  It's
dificult to accomodate it to every systems.

The list of applications is huge, so icewm waste a lot of time the first
time it's invoked, for this reason the default option for the menu generator
is not to show icons for applications, you can force showing icons adding
the parameter --icons=1. I'm planning to modify icewm in order to load icons
when they are demanded and not when the menu is created (like does xfe,
gnome and others).

I'm working in order the user could create custom entries in his menu i.e:
menuprog "Settings" folder lxp-menu-generator --icons=1
/etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu

Switching between desktop is the more recent feature so I'm not tested it
fully,  it works very well with xfdesktop (it needs some entries in
winoption file that lxp-startup includes), idesk also has needed some
workarround,  but nautilus some times refuses to load, and kdesktop looks to
work fine but it needs something in winoptions in order  to  hidden it's
icon in  alt-tab menu.
Let me know your experience with rox.

Than you for your suggestion about the money, but at the moment I think the
project need more help than money. I'll be pleased to include people
(developers, testers, designers etc) in the project.

Regards
Manolo

On 11/30/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:29:33 +0100
> "Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:
>
> > Hello Myles
>
> Hello! It's been a while since we corresponded, good to hear from you.
>
> > Finally I've released lxp with:
> > 1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
> > icewm-menu-gnome2.
> > 2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
> > xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
> > 3.- Support for .deb distributions
> > 3.- Other minor fixes
>
> Sounds like you've been pretty busy :-) You know, your timing is
> *perfect*!! Believe it or not I had just finished a net-install of Debian
> Etch when I got your email. Unfortunately it took me a little longer to
> restore all my files/applications than I thought it would. I just
> downloaded the .deb files a few minutes ago, installed them and I'm
> currently using LXP.
>
> > I'd like you try this release and comment it.
> > Thank you very much for your suggestions
> >
> > Manuel Carrasco
>
> Well, I've only been logged into LXP for about 5 minutes so far but I
> definitely like what I'm seeing!! Very much indeed.
>
> The new menu is awesome, every entry (and there are tons of them...) has
> an
> icon and so far I haven't found any entries that 'don't work'. I'm not
> going to try them all as I would be here all night clicking on menu
> entries.
> I've just now spent about 10 minutes going though the menu starting
> applications and switching themes back and forth with nothing bad
> happening. Nice work.
>
> I'll keep 'torture testing' LXP on Debian Etch for the next few days but I
> think it will be pretty safe to say it's been tested under Debian as well
> as Ubuntu/Xubuntu and Fedora Core 5 (I've tested it myself on those
> distros).
>
> Switching between idesk, nautilus and 'none' works well - I haven't
> installed Xfce yet but that should be completed pretty soon so I'll be
> able
> to play around some more <grin>. Would it be possible to add rox-filer to
> the already impressive list of possible desktops? I know there are a lot
> of
> people using Rox with Icewm so it might be a good idea to add it to the
> list. I'm going to be busy for most of tomorrow (Thursday) but I should be
> able to look through the configs later in the day and maybe I can hack out
> a patch to include Rox... we'll see :-)
>
> Anyway, thank you for your attention to detail(s) and for bringing LXP
> into
> this world, it's a very useful project. Have you thought about getting a
> PayPal account and/or setting up a bank account so that people could make
> donations to the project? I looked around the site but didn't see
> anything...
>
> Thanks again,
> Myles
> --
> Myles Green
> Geek by nature. Linux by choice.
> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)
>
>
>

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:29:33 +0100
"Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:

> Hello Myles

Hello! It's been a while since we corresponded, good to hear from you.

> Finally I've released lxp with:
> 1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
> icewm-menu-gnome2.
> 2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
> xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
> 3.- Support for .deb distributions
> 3.- Other minor fixes

Sounds like you've been pretty busy :-) You know, your timing is
*perfect*!! Believe it or not I had just finished a net-install of Debian
Etch when I got your email. Unfortunately it took me a little longer to
restore all my files/applications than I thought it would. I just
downloaded the .deb files a few minutes ago, installed them and I'm
currently using LXP.

> I'd like you try this release and comment it.
> Thank you very much for your suggestions
>=20
> Manuel Carrasco

Well, I've only been logged into LXP for about 5 minutes so far but I
definitely like what I'm seeing!! Very much indeed.

The new menu is awesome, every entry (and there are tons of them...) has an
icon and so far I haven't found any entries that 'don't work'. I'm not
going to try them all as I would be here all night clicking on menu entries.
I've just now spent about 10 minutes going though the menu starting
applications and switching themes back and forth with nothing bad
happening. Nice work.=20

I'll keep 'torture testing' LXP on Debian Etch for the next few days but I
think it will be pretty safe to say it's been tested under Debian as well
as Ubuntu/Xubuntu and Fedora Core 5 (I've tested it myself on those
distros).

Switching between idesk, nautilus and 'none' works well - I haven't
installed Xfce yet but that should be completed pretty soon so I'll be able
to play around some more <grin>. Would it be possible to add rox-filer to
the already impressive list of possible desktops? I know there are a lot of
people using Rox with Icewm so it might be a good idea to add it to the
list. I'm going to be busy for most of tomorrow (Thursday) but I should be
able to look through the configs later in the day and maybe I can hack out
a patch to include Rox... we'll see :-)

Anyway, thank you for your attention to detail(s) and for bringing LXP into
this world, it's a very useful project. Have you thought about getting a
PayPal account and/or setting up a bank account so that people could make
donations to the project? I looked around the site but didn't see
anything...

Thanks again,
Myles
--
Myles Green
Geek by nature. Linux by choice.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.=20
It's already tomorrow in Australia" (Charles Schultz)

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello Myles

Finally I've released lxp with:
1.- A new program in perl to generate system menus. This will replace
icewm-menu-gnome2.
2.- A script to allow the user to select her favorite desktop (idesk,
xfdesktop, kdesktop or nautilus).
3.- Support for .deb distributions
3.- Other minor fixes

I'd like you try this release and comment it.
Thank you very much for your suggestions

Manuel Carrasco

On 9/6/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:00:54 +0200
> "Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:
>
> > Please, test this procedure in your computer:
> > 1.- modify the menu file manually and see that the menulist is grouped
> > 2.- download new versions of icewm-menu-gnome2 and lxp and install them.
> > 3.- delete your menu file
> > 4.- login and see the diference
> > 5.- let me know your results
>
> Hi Manolo,
>
> Yes! That's *much* better, I now have 6 sub-menus under "Applications":
>
> Accessories
> Programming
> Games
> Graphics
> Internet
> Sound and Video
>
> It does take less time to generate the Applications menu after login
> compared to before, though there are much less than the 504 apps in the
> previous version. Still, it's a lot better this way and besides, it's easy
> enough to add a couple of things to the either menu or toolbar if needed.
>
> Thank you for your quick response and solution to this, very professional.
>
> If there's anything else you want to work on or test out please feel free
> to contact me, I'd be more than happy to test things for you.
>
> On my own setup I've taken to using Xfdesktop from Xfce-4.4rc1 instead of
> Idesk. It gives you launchers on the desktop, the ability to adjust the
> brightness of the background image plus the added bonus of the Xfce
> desktop
> menu. Would it be possible to make the choice of desktop handlers
> configurable based on what other Desktop Environments or Window Managers
> are
> available on any given system? On the other hand that might make things
> too
> complicated for new users. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks again, Myles
> --
> SHOP OR DIE, people of Earth!
> [offer void where prohibited]
> -- Capitalists from outer space, from Justice League Int'l comics
>
>
>

[Lxp-users] Released LXP-0.1-11 and LXP for .deb distributions

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

1.- Now ubuntu, xubuntu and debian users can easily try LookXP
2.- Several changes done:
 - Some fixes in icewm and xfe
 - Some fixes in lxp scripts
 - lxp-menu-generator: is a completely new program that generates a menu
with installed applications. It uses the system menu xml description files.
This program will be a substitute of icewm-menu-gnome2
 - lxp-switch-desktop: an utility that allows the user to change between
desktops (xfdesktop, kdesktop, nautilus, idesk).


Thanks
Mauel Carrasco

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:02:35 +0200
"Manuel Carrasco" <man...@us...> wrote:

> Hello,
> First of all, thanks for using and testing LXP.

Hi Manolo,
It's my pleasure to help with LXP
 
> Please, send me the following information
> 1.- Operating system and version.
> cat /etc/redhat-release

Fedora Core release 5.91 (FC6 Test2)

It's updated from the development branch (Rawhide) every morning...

> cat /etc/SuSE-release
> 2.- Application entry in menu file:
> cat $HOME/.icewm/menu | grep icewm-menu

menuprog Applications folder icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr/share/applications 

> 3.- Execute the command that generate the Applications menu (see the
> result of te last command):
> icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr.....

OK the output is attached as "applications-menu.txt"

> I'm not know exactly the structure of gnome menus in each linux
> distribution.

No, I don't expect that you would.

> I think that icewm-menu-gnome2 could be inproved.

I agree 100%

> Other solution is to create a new utility to substitute icewm-menu-gnome2
> probably done in perl.

Take a look at this program, it's written in Python:
http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/

You can download it here:
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/menumaker/menumaker-0.99.7.tar.gz

It worked very well with Debian/Ubuntu but I get an error when running it on
Fedora (any version):

mmaker -v -f -t gterm icewm
* scanning
  desktop...Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/mmaker", line 3, in ?
    import MenuMaker.CLI
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/MenuMaker/CLI.py", line 227, in ?
    desktop = Prophet.Desktop.scan()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 153, in scan
    result.append(App(os.path.join(w[0], x)))
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 266, in
__new__ self.__setup__(desktop)
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 286, in
__setup__ super(App, self).__setup__()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/__init__.py", line 265, in __setup__
    self.setExename()
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/Desktop/__init__.py", line 329, in
setExename self.testGoodness(cmd)
  File "/usr/lib/menumaker/Prophet/__init__.py", line 261, in testGoodness
    if _shStart.search(cmd) or _shComplexCmd.search(cmd) :
TypeError: expected string or buffer

Thanks, Myles
-- 
I didn't know he was dead; I thought he was British.

Re: [Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Manuel C. <man...@us...>]

Hello,
First of all, thanks for using and testing LXP.

Please, send me the following information
1.- Operating system and version.
cat /etc/redhat-release
cat /etc/SuSE-release
2.- Application entry in menu file:
cat $HOME/.icewm/menu | grep icewm-menu
3.- Execute the command that generate the Applications menu (see the result
of te last command):
icewm-menu-gnome2 --list /usr.....

I'm not know exactly the structure of gnome menus in each linux
distribution.
I think that icewm-menu-gnome2 could be inproved.
Other solution is to create a new utility to substitute icewm-menu-gnome2
probably done in perl.

Thanks
Manolo


On 9/5/06, Myles Green <rm...@te...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I thought I'd break the ice and be the first to post some comments here :)
>
> I've been using LXP for about a month now, ever since it was first
> announced on the IceWM list. Overall it's a pleasant experience, obviously
> a lot of thought has gone into it's creation.
>
> I have a bit of a problem with the default applications menu in that you
> get
> *everything* in one very long menu rather than broken down into sub-menus.
> Yes, I know there are a few solutions to this - a couple of IceWM-specific
> menu editors and a menu generation application called MenuMaker to name a
> few. I was wondering if there were any plans for improvement in this area
> for future versions of LXP?
>
> Thanks!
> Myles
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[Lxp-users] Using LXP and liking it...

[Myles G. <rm...@te...>]

Hi,
I thought I'd break the ice and be the first to post some comments here :)

I've been using LXP for about a month now, ever since it was first
announced on the IceWM list. Overall it's a pleasant experience, obviously
a lot of thought has gone into it's creation.

I have a bit of a problem with the default applications menu in that you get
*everything* in one very long menu rather than broken down into sub-menus.
Yes, I know there are a few solutions to this - a couple of IceWM-specific
menu editors and a menu generation application called MenuMaker to name a
few. I was wondering if there were any plans for improvement in this area
for future versions of LXP?

Thanks!
Myles
--=20
The other line moves faster.

[Lxp-users] LXP 0.1 released

[Manolo C. <mc...@al...>]

First version of LXP has been uploaded to sourceforge.

Manuel Carrasco