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From: Jonas <jo...@fr...> - 2008-06-22 05:25:45
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On 20/06/2008 beerlao wrote: > Jonas wrote: > > > The output of your webservers error_log would be a starting point. > > Shame on me, I only had a look into apache's access log and ignored the > error log: > > -:10: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag email line 10, > referer: [...] > /subject><email address="bod...@do...d" name="Sommer, Sonner, > , referer: [...] First, it would be helpful if you could paste all lines that are written to error_log. I guess that some information were written before the lines you posted. Second, this sounds like the lurker cgi has issues with reading an email from the database. Maybe that's due to corrupted archives and/or issues with importing them to lurkers database. But that's only a rough guess. You could search your original archives for that message, remove it and reimport. Maybe that helps. greetings, jonas |
From: beerlao <bee...@gm...> - 2008-06-20 09:15:47
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Hi Jonas! Jonas wrote: > The output of your webservers error_log would be a starting point. Shame on me, I only had a look into apache's access log and ignored the error log: -:10: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag email line 10, referer: [...] /subject><email address="bod...@do...d" name="Sommer, Sonner, , referer: [...] Does that help you? > Is the mailinglist in question archived by the same lurker instance as > the two working ones? Did you double-check it's configuration at > /etc/lurker/? Did you verify that the user who runs the webserver has > write-access to /var/www/lurker/? > And does the database exist at /var/lib/lurker? The answer to all thoses questions ist "yes". Thank you in advance for your help. |
From: beerlao <bee...@gm...> - 2008-06-19 08:20:10
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Hi all, I am using lurker 2.1 and I am facing a weird problem. I am hosting 3 mailing lists with mailman. After installing lurker I imported the .mbox files and all archives show up in lurker. Now two of them are working correctly so I can view all the threads. If I click on one mailinglist, lurker only renders a blank page (even no <html> tag in it's source, just nothing). The mails were imported with no error and the corresponding /var/lib/lurker was created (I am using debian). Any idea how to debug this? |
From: _legolas558_ <leg...@em...> - 2008-05-03 12:28:40
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Hi all, I am new to lurker but I definitively like the efficiency and features of this little linux nugget. I am experiencing a problem with multiple frontends: I have a group with four mailing lists and I have configured a VirtualHost (see attachment) to handle them, but the thing does not work. Basically, there is a directory (a copy of /usr/local/var/www/lurker) for each mailing list under /var/www/lurker. The splash/index.en.html is not created and any search generates a 404 error, and I think it's normal because the search URL is not /listname/search/* but /search/* (on the root). I don't know how to use a different ScriptAlias which could specify the correct ENV parameters to bounce.cgi. Can somebody please help me? This is for a medium-sized open source project (I will disclose details when I get this to work). Thank you! -- Daniele C. (aka legolas558) |
From: ram <ra...@ne...> - 2008-04-19 10:34:06
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I am feeling absolutely stupid now I had been lurker all this while on fedora-6 until my desktop crashed Now my desktop is on fedora-8 and I cant get lurker installed I got the mimelib and lurker2.1 tars for sourceforge The mimelib has no INSTALL file and the readme asks me to read the INSTALL file :-( so I just untarred the mimelib directory inside my lurker source directory When I configure ./configure --with-mimelib-local confiure works fine But make fails make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1' Making all in mymime make[2]: Entering directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1/mymime' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1/mymime' Making all in libesort make[2]: Entering directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1/libesort' if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/kde -I../mimelib -g -O2 -MT File.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/File.Tpo" -c -o File.o File.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/File.Tpo" ".deps/File.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/File.Tpo"; exit 1; fi File.cpp: In member function ‘unsigned char* ESort::FileSource::inverseBuffer()’: File.cpp:150: error: ‘memset’ was not declared in this scope File.cpp:202: error: ‘memcpy’ was not declared in this scope make[2]: *** [File.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1/libesort' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/ypop/tmp/lurker-2.1' make: *** [all] Error 2 Any ideas ?? |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-13 07:10:49
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Aleksandr Milewski wrote: > Aleksandr Milewski wrote: >> ...still destroys the date on anything imported with -u. > > So, I didn't realize that lurker-regenerate is just a script that's > wrapped around lurker-index, and it calls it without -u, so of course > this happens. I just hacked up a version of lurker-regenerate that uses lurker-index -u. Call it lurker-regenerate-u. I imported all the messages that have no 'From ' line into a fresh database. This database causes lurker.cgi to segfault. I ran lurker-regenerate-u over it. It still segfaults. I ran lurker-regenerate over it...no segfault. So there's something broken in importing with -u, somehow. As I've said before, I'm pretty sure it's not a poison message, as if I go through these archives in small blocks until I start getting segfaults, I can import that last block by itself and everything's fine. I'm now wondering if it's something silly like 64k records with the same timestamp or something. Back to see if I can figure out how to make lurker-index -u write the user timestamp into the synthetic 'From ' line. -Z |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-13 05:51:34
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Aleksandr Milewski wrote: > ...still destroys the date on anything imported with -u. So, I didn't realize that lurker-regenerate is just a script that's wrapped around lurker-index, and it calls it without -u, so of course this happens. Now, the odd thing (dare I say 'bug'?) is that if you import a message with -u and lurker-index has to create a 'From ' line, it uses the import time in that 'From ' line even though you've explicitly told it to trust userdate instead. As such, when you run regenerate, it clobbers the dates. I'm not much of a programmer, but I'm now looking at the code to see if I can make it use the userdate if that's set. Someone more familiar with the code could probably produce a patch in a matter of minutes. |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-13 03:52:42
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...still destroys the date on anything imported with -u. So I'm back to that problem. What can I do with this message archive (from a sympa list) that doesn't have mbox-style From lines? |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-12 20:36:24
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Federico Sevilla III wrote: > I fiddled around with my Apache configuration and noticed that remnants > of an old experiment -- RLimitCPU and RLimitNPROC -- were still in the > configuration. They never did anything on the old server, but on the new > server seem to be the culprit. Disabling both has allowed my archives to > be accessible again. Interesting. I don't have those in my config, though I was looking to see what defaults were to see if that had to do with my segfault. -Z |
From: Federico S. I. <ji...@fs...> - 2008-04-12 20:21:24
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On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 04:08 +0800, Federico Sevilla III wrote: > I read your old mail regarding your lurker.cgi segfault issues. I'm > sorry to hear that you haven't had any luck at fixing it. I don't have > any log entries about lurker.cgi segfaulting, though. Could be related > (ie: because of being 64-bit) but doesn't seem to be exactly the same. I fiddled around with my Apache configuration and noticed that remnants of an old experiment -- RLimitCPU and RLimitNPROC -- were still in the configuration. They never did anything on the old server, but on the new server seem to be the culprit. Disabling both has allowed my archives to be accessible again. -- Federico Sevilla III F S 3 Consulting Inc. http://www.fs3.ph |
From: Federico S. I. <ji...@fs...> - 2008-04-12 20:08:49
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Hi Zandr, On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 13:02 -0700, Aleksandr Milewski wrote: > The message did make it out to the list. Not sure what's up with > sf.net's archive. Thank you for responding. Glad to know that my messages are getting out to the world. I'm using Google Apps (Gmail) which filters out dupes, so I never get copies of my mail back from lists. > I'm as lost as you are on 64bit issues though...my Ubuntu Gutsy 64 > segfaults in lurker.cgi, and I'm at a loss to debug it. I read your old mail regarding your lurker.cgi segfault issues. I'm sorry to hear that you haven't had any luck at fixing it. I don't have any log entries about lurker.cgi segfaulting, though. Could be related (ie: because of being 64-bit) but doesn't seem to be exactly the same. I'll keep the list posted as I get more info. I hope we can find out what's up with Lurker (and its dependencies) on 64-bit machines. Cheers! -- Federico Sevilla III F S 3 Consulting Inc. http://www.fs3.ph |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-12 20:02:42
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Federico Sevilla III wrote: > Hi, > > This is a resend. Seems my original email didn't get through based on > the archives in SourceForge. Also notice that the archives at > terpstra.ca doesn't have any mail after June 2007. > Federico, The message did make it out to the list. Not sure what's up with sf.net's archive. I'm as lost as you are on 64bit issues though...my Ubuntu Gutsy 64 segfaults in lurker.cgi, and I'm at a loss to debug it. -Zandr |
From: Federico S. I. <ji...@fs...> - 2008-04-12 19:52:46
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Hi, This is a resend. Seems my original email didn't get through based on the archives in SourceForge. Also notice that the archives at terpstra.ca doesn't have any mail after June 2007. I had to take down the old server that ran archives.free.net.ph because of a hard drive failure. Both servers run Debian Etch, but the old server used the i386 architecture, while the new one's AMD64. The configuration and mailbox files were restored from backups. The lurker database was rebuilt from scratch using lurker-index, which worked fine. Unfortunately, I am getting the following error on page access: Lurker - failed to render page: Opening xslt pipeline (Resource temporarily unavailable): The specified xslt pipeline in your config file, entry xslt, could not be opened. Please ensure that the command correctly streams xml into html for you. There's nothing in the Apache logs and I don't know how to get more information. My Google searches haven't been fruitful. Any tips? Thank you very much. Cheers! -- Federico Sevilla III F S 3 Consulting Inc. http://www.fs3.ph |
From: Federico S. I. <ji...@fs...> - 2008-04-12 04:21:53
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Hi, I needed to migrate our Lurker archives (http://archives.free.net.ph) from a 32-bit machine (Debian Etch i386) to a 64-bit machine (Debian Etch AMD64). I did not migrate /var/lib/lurker, and am regenerating them from mailbox files using lurker-index. The lurker-index process is going smoothly, but I am hitting a weird error on all access attempts: Lurker - failed to render page: Opening xslt pipeline (Resource temporarily unavailable): The specified xslt pipeline in your config file, entry xslt, could not be opened. Please ensure that the command correctly streams xml into html for you. Normally, even while lurker-index is chugging along, we are able to already get partial results. I am using the exact configuration, plus the standard Debian Etch packages. Any tips? Thanks! -- Federico Sevilla III F S 3 Consulting Inc. http://www.fs3.ph |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-12 01:28:14
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Jonas, Sorry, I'd missed this message earlier. Jonas Meurer wrote: > I don't know what your particular error messages do mean in detail, but I > know that lurker runs on systems with many, many more archived messages. I'd love to know how. Is it just you and me on this list? The issue with lurker-regenerate is still going to be a problem if I can get past this segfault. I was hoping to hear something from a developer. It seems that Lurker is unmaintained at this point... the lurker lurking on lurker-users hasn't been updated in 9 months. > You get your ulimit values by executing 'ulimit -a'. You can also adjust > the values with the ulimit utility. Sure, those are *my* ulimit values. How do I control the ulimit values that apache is running under? I'm actually less convinced that this is the problem. I suspect that this is just a bug in Lurker, and possibly one exposed by running it on a 64bit system. The machine in question is running Ubuntu Gutsy (7.10) amd64 on two quad-core Xeons (E5310...cheap, slow cores, but lots of them :D) with 2GB of RAM. |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-07 22:42:25
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I rebuilt from CVS and am still getting segfaults after a certain database size. I'm pretty sure it's not a 'poison' message in the archive. I walked through importing one month at a time until it exploded, and then imported that month alone and it was fine. So, I'm stumped, don't know how to debug this, and may have to find another solution. Debugging guidance or other wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks, Zandr |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-02 00:47:49
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Sorry for continuing to reply to my own post, but... So, this looks like a ulimit sort of problem. error 4 is 'EINTR', so we got stomped my some signal. And it only happened after I added a ton of messages. So... How do I identify and adjust the relavent limits? What sort of ulimit values will I need for an archive of this size? -Zandr Aleksandr Milewski wrote: > Aleksandr Milewski wrote: >> I just loaded all of the old archives (totalling 132,450 messages!) and >> now I get the Internal Server Errors on the 'Mailing List Info' pages >> for that list. >> >> the [listname].en.html page went first, and now the [listname].html page >> is gone too. >> >> The apache2/error.log says: >> >> [Tue Apr 01 17:08:35 2008] [error] [client 64.81.76.206] Premature end >> of script headers: lurker.cgi, referer: >> http://list.miatapower.net/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > and syslog says: > Apr 1 17:17:20 fieldcircus kernel: [2175372.142556] lurker.cgi[3250]: > segfault at 0000000000664a8c rip 0000000000410a34 rsp 00007fffcef127e0 > error 4 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace > _______________________________________________ > Lurker-users mailing list > Lur...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lurker-users |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-02 00:17:54
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Aleksandr Milewski wrote: > I just loaded all of the old archives (totalling 132,450 messages!) and > now I get the Internal Server Errors on the 'Mailing List Info' pages > for that list. > > the [listname].en.html page went first, and now the [listname].html page > is gone too. > > The apache2/error.log says: > > [Tue Apr 01 17:08:35 2008] [error] [client 64.81.76.206] Premature end > of script headers: lurker.cgi, referer: > http://list.miatapower.net/lurker/splash/index.en.html and syslog says: Apr 1 17:17:20 fieldcircus kernel: [2175372.142556] lurker.cgi[3250]: segfault at 0000000000664a8c rip 0000000000410a34 rsp 00007fffcef127e0 error 4 |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-02 00:13:46
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I just loaded all of the old archives (totalling 132,450 messages!) and now I get the Internal Server Errors on the 'Mailing List Info' pages for that list. the [listname].en.html page went first, and now the [listname].html page is gone too. The apache2/error.log says: [Tue Apr 01 17:08:35 2008] [error] [client 64.81.76.206] Premature end of script headers: lurker.cgi, referer: http://list.miatapower.net/lurker/splash/index.en.html Links into the archive by date work fine. Any suggestions or ways to turn on more debugging? (don't say lurker-regenerate...that's a non starter for the reasons I mentioned in my last post) |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-04-01 21:04:40
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Jonas Meurer wrote: > lurker-regenerate is for regenerating lurkers internal database, so it > will not use any external sources. > If i got it right, lurkers internal database has it's own way to store > the time/date, thus the -u option is only usefull to lurker-index when > importing mail from external maildirs/mboxes which don't have a reliable > delivery time. > > thus i believe that no -u option is needed for lurker-regenerate at all. > > maybe you could try it by copying /var/lib/lurker to some safe place, > then running lurker-regenerate, and if anything went wrong, move the > backup back to /var/lib/lurker. I guess I wasn't very clear the first time through. There definitely is a problem. If I run lurker-regenerate, then all of the messages that were indexed with lurker-index -u have a date that is the time when they were indexed, NOT the Date: header in the message. Basically, I have to rebuild from scratch if I screw up the database (which I've done once when I left delete on) Thanks, Zandr. |
From: Aleksandr M. <n6...@mi...> - 2008-03-31 20:33:31
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't seem to be able to use lurker-regenerate. I just migrated a list from sympa to mailman/lurker, so most of the history is in sympa's 'arctxt' folders. This was the input to mhonarc, IIRC. In any case, these are one message per file, with no envelope info (no From <addr> <date> line) As such, I need to use lurker-index -u. If I don't, the date of every message becomes the import time. The problem is that I can't run lurker-renegerate now, or it will think that all of those old message have a timestamp of 'now'. Is there a workaround/fix for this? Thanks, Zandr |
From: James G. <jga...@co...> - 2008-03-19 23:00:16
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Hi Jonas, Thanks for giving me a bit more detail on Lurker. It was my thought that Lurker was also a mail-list program. I really don't need a mail-list at all, just the archiving abilities that Lurker offers. What I am hoping to do is use Lurker to archive messages going across our groupware system which is Novell Groupwise 6.0. It sounds as if all I need to do is find a way to copy both external and internal mail so that messages also gets sent to Lurker. lur...@li... wrote: >Send Lurker-users mailing list submissions to > lur...@li... > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lurker-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lur...@li... > >You can reach the person managing the list at > lur...@li... > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Lurker-users digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New user - Possibilities with use of program (Jonas Meurer) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:08:42 +0100 >From: Jonas Meurer <jo...@fr...> >Subject: Re: [Lurker-users] New user - Possibilities with use of > program >To: James Garcellano <jga...@co...> >Cc: lur...@li... >Message-ID: <200...@fr...> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hey James, > >On 09/03/2008 James Garcellano wrote: > > >>When you mentioned "You need to deliver the mails to lurker-index", what >>do you mean? I'm new at using mail-list software and using Linux for >>handling email. >> >> > >Lurker is not designed to handle your email, it's simply an archiving >software. You run the mailinglists independent of lurker. All you need >to do is to deliver a copy of every message sent to the mailinglists to >lurker, so that it can be archived. > >Maybe it's easier for you to think of lurker as a subscriber of your >mailinglists, just as every human subscribed to them. > >Mailinglists work the way that every subscribed adress gets a copy of >the mail sent to the list. And lurker is just one of them. >The only difference is, that lurker is not a human reading the mail, >but rather a mail archiving software which archives all received mails >and provides them in through a webserver. > > > >>If I setup Lurker and a new mail-list, can I not send emails to that >>mail list, similar to how I am currently doing now for this lurker-users >>list? >> >> > >For sure, you can. If you don't know how to setup a mailinglist, you >should rather ask for help on a more appropriate mailinglist. What >software do you intend to use for managing mailinglists? mailman, sympa, >majordomo, ezmlm, or another one? > >Once you setup your mailinglist to work properly - in a way that every >subscribed email adress receives mails to the list - you can bother >about the archives. And that's the point where lurker becomes interesting >for you ;-) > >greetings, > jonas > > > >------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Lurker-users mailing list >Lur...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lurker-users > > >End of Lurker-users Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3 >******************************************* > > > > |
From: Jonas M. <jo...@fr...> - 2008-03-19 01:09:51
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Hey James, On 09/03/2008 James Garcellano wrote: > When you mentioned "You need to deliver the mails to lurker-index", what > do you mean? I'm new at using mail-list software and using Linux for > handling email. Lurker is not designed to handle your email, it's simply an archiving software. You run the mailinglists independent of lurker. All you need to do is to deliver a copy of every message sent to the mailinglists to lurker, so that it can be archived. Maybe it's easier for you to think of lurker as a subscriber of your mailinglists, just as every human subscribed to them. Mailinglists work the way that every subscribed adress gets a copy of the mail sent to the list. And lurker is just one of them. The only difference is, that lurker is not a human reading the mail, but rather a mail archiving software which archives all received mails and provides them in through a webserver. > If I setup Lurker and a new mail-list, can I not send emails to that > mail list, similar to how I am currently doing now for this lurker-users > list? For sure, you can. If you don't know how to setup a mailinglist, you should rather ask for help on a more appropriate mailinglist. What software do you intend to use for managing mailinglists? mailman, sympa, majordomo, ezmlm, or another one? Once you setup your mailinglist to work properly - in a way that every subscribed email adress receives mails to the list - you can bother about the archives. And that's the point where lurker becomes interesting for you ;-) greetings, jonas |
From: James G. <jga...@co...> - 2008-03-10 03:09:05
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Hi Jonas, When you mentioned "You need to deliver the mails to lurker-index", what do you mean? I'm new at using mail-list software and using Linux for handling email. If I setup Lurker and a new mail-list, can I not send emails to that mail list, similar to how I am currently doing now for this lurker-users list? Thanks! James G. Jonas Meurer wrote: >On 08/03/2008 James Garcellano wrote: > > >>Hello Everyone, >> >> > >Hey James, > > > >>I have some questions that I hope can be answered to help point me in >>the right direction. For the purposes of the test, I plan on using a >>laptop as my test platform. It is a Compaq Armada E500 that has Intel >>Pentium III 800Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM, and a 20GB Hard drive. I plan on >>installing Puppy Linux (http://www.puppylinux.org) and XAMPP >>(http://www.apachefriends.org) for the operating system, webserver, and >>database. Will this setup work for the test that I'd like to conduct? >> >> > >I don't know puppylinux, but theoretically lurker should work on most >unix systems. You need a c++ compiler (g++), zlib, mimelib and xsltproc >available to compile. To actually use it a cron daemon and any webserver >should do it. >You could also use a linux distribution which ships a precompiled lurker >package, like debian or ubuntu. > > > >>Is there documentation available that explains how to setup Lurker and >>create the mail-list? I did not see any install documenation available >>on the SourceForge project page. >> >> > >The tarball contains a INSTALL document, which describes how to setup >lurker as mailinglist archiver. See >http://lurker.cvs.sourceforge.net/lurker/lurker/INSTALL?view=markup >for an online version. > > > >>We have Novell Groupwise 6 as our >>email server. I would need to find a way to be able to carbon copy each >>mail that is sent through the system to Lurker, correct? >> >> > >You need to deliver the mails to lurker-index. Different solutions are >possible. Either subscribe an extra adress to the lists and use procmail >to deliver the mail, or configure mailserver or listmanager directly to >do so. > >greetings, > jonas > > > > |
From: Jonas M. <jo...@fr...> - 2008-03-09 18:15:26
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On 08/03/2008 James Garcellano wrote: > Hello Everyone, Hey James, > I have some questions that I hope can be answered to help point me in > the right direction. For the purposes of the test, I plan on using a > laptop as my test platform. It is a Compaq Armada E500 that has Intel > Pentium III 800Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM, and a 20GB Hard drive. I plan on > installing Puppy Linux (http://www.puppylinux.org) and XAMPP > (http://www.apachefriends.org) for the operating system, webserver, and > database. Will this setup work for the test that I'd like to conduct? I don't know puppylinux, but theoretically lurker should work on most unix systems. You need a c++ compiler (g++), zlib, mimelib and xsltproc available to compile. To actually use it a cron daemon and any webserver should do it. You could also use a linux distribution which ships a precompiled lurker package, like debian or ubuntu. > Is there documentation available that explains how to setup Lurker and > create the mail-list? I did not see any install documenation available > on the SourceForge project page. The tarball contains a INSTALL document, which describes how to setup lurker as mailinglist archiver. See http://lurker.cvs.sourceforge.net/lurker/lurker/INSTALL?view=markup for an online version. > We have Novell Groupwise 6 as our > email server. I would need to find a way to be able to carbon copy each > mail that is sent through the system to Lurker, correct? You need to deliver the mails to lurker-index. Different solutions are possible. Either subscribe an extra adress to the lists and use procmail to deliver the mail, or configure mailserver or listmanager directly to do so. greetings, jonas |