Re: [Lmuse-user] How to install the newest version of MusE from SVN

[Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...>]

On May 24, 2010 07:13:41 pm you wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Hmm, Ubuntu 10.04 is up and running!
>
> Yes, this implementation of which channels to record makes more sense
> indeed. It takes little time to get used to. Maybe you could add the
> option "Check all" in the bottom of the menu with Channel 1 ... Channel
> 16?
>
> About the pitch-bending: I use the Midi-Monitor of the VST to monitor
> the Midi signals. When I playback the track while recording it in MusE,
> every position of the pitch-bend wheel reads as -64. Later on when I
> play back the recording, MusE *does* pass the right values for the
> pitch-bendings to the VST (resulting in min/max values -33 and 32).
>
> Thanks for your explanation about the graph-editing.
>
> Ok, I just came across four more issues (I'm too lazy to start a new
> topic for each of them):
>
> 1.) Is it possible to increase the volume of the Metronome ("Audio
> Beep", when I choose "MIDI Click" I don't hear anything at all). When I
> use certain VSTs, I hardly hear the metronome anymore.
Hi Pieter. Since the metronome is sent only to Audio Output tracks 
 selected by you, you should be able to increase the Audio Output 
 track's volume.
Maybe create an Audio Output track just for the metronome.
The Midi click is another story - it can be a bit tricky since you must know
 the note numbers and channel for the triggered sounds etc.
I think by default it is set up to trigger a standard General Midi device,
 and last time I checked I think it worked, but still it's a bit tricky
 if you are triggering a non-standard drum device. Keep trying...

>
> 2.) I like to use the mastertrack to set all time signatures and tempos.
> To do this I mainly use the "List" tool. I noticed it is not possible to
> choose 7/8 as time signature (and 9/8, 9/4 etc)? I can choose any
> integer for the first number, however I can only choose 5, 6, 7 or 9 for
> the second number.
I have heard this complain before, so I checked it again
 and I have no trouble setting 7/8, 9/8, and 9/4 etc. using either
 the list or graphic.
As long as you use the up/down arrows to adjust the numbers,
 everything should be fine.

However, just now, I did notice that you cannot *manually* enter
 some of the numbers mentioned. 
That's probably what you, and others, were trying to do.

So thanks for pointing that out (again), I see the problem now, 
 and I will try to fix it.

>
> 3.) I clicked some menu function by accident (no idea which one). Now,
> every time when I start MusE, the "Marker View" (F9) is visible. I
> cannot close it by clicking the usual "x" button in top of the window.
> When I press F9 in MusE, the window stays visible but now I *can* close
> it by pressing the "x" button or hitting F9 again.
Yes, this is a weird bug that I've tried to fix before.
It only seems to happen on certain set-ups.
I run Mandriva and it never happens here, but on the rare occasion
 when I run Ubuntu, I see the problem sometimes. I actually thought
 I had fixed it, but back to the drawing board...
You can try the test Robert suggested, to give us some ideas, 
 but yeah, it's a bug. I will try to address this.
After you close the window and save the song, please try attaching the
 /HOME/.MusE file so we can see if various settings are being stored.
And if possible, attach the song file as well, since I believe settings are
 also stored on a per-song basis. Should be of help to us.

>
> 4.) Earlier on I wrote something about this: when using Hydrogen with
> MusE, only a small part of the samples is played back (e.g. when playing
> back a snare note, only the first 0.1 sec of the sample is heard). When
> using the "Constant Length" plugin and setting the value to e.g. 1/1 it
> improves, but is not entirely OK yet.
> Furthermore, when I record the drums via my Roland TD8 instead of
> clicking the rhythm, the samples are played back better (because I
> optimized my TD8 - gate time). However, when I replace some notes in the
> track (quantize them), sometimes the note-duration is changed. I haven't
> spotted a pattern yet, it seems very random. I will try to make a video
> of it, but unfortunately I haven't figured out how to record video and
> audio simultaneously.
Hmm, sounds weird. No trouble with drum tracks here, whether playing
 through a Fluidsynth track drum soundfont, or playing through my 
 Roland TR-505 box, or playing through Addictive Drums dssi-vst synth.
Perhaps Hydrogen is sensitive to the note durations, most percussive
 devices shouldn't be, they should just trigger and then ignore the
 note-off message. Look for a setting in Hydrogen which 'ignores note-offs'.
You may open your MusE drum track in the piano-roll editor instead of the
 drum editor, and try lengthening the notes there.
I've not had much success running Hydrogen. My last attempt resulted
 in one successful run and then after that, she refuses to run any more.
I must try latest versions...

Tim.

>
> Robert, how did you create your tutorials of MusE on YouTube? Which
> program did you use? It should be possible with recordMyDesktop, however
> my version has some problems when recording JACK ports...
>
> Well, that's it for now. I hope you'll find this feedback useful (and of
> course I hope some issues can be solved in the near future).
>
> Pieter
>
> On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 18:17 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote:
> > On May 22, 2010 10:00:40 am Pieter Barendrecht wrote:
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > I hope you enjoyed your spring bath :D
> > >
> > > No, the README didn't say to download the newest version of QT, however
> > > it says "Qt 3.2.0 or above".
> > >
> > > Ok, so I installed the QT3-dev files from the Ubuntu repo, ./configure
> > > worked fine, so did "make all" and "sudo make install". Thanks!
> >
> > Good to hear.
> >
> > > I noticed one has to select an input channel (1..16) when using an USB
> > > MIDI Interface from Keyboard to Laptop - I was wondering why I didn't
> > > hear anything. The previous version recorded all channels by default
> > > right?
> >
> > Yes, that was pointed out to me in recent posts and I'm looking at how
> >  to allow some default connections again.
> >
> > Here's the question:
> > Would you vote for having ALL channels on ALL midi input ports
> >  automatically connected to the track, like the previous versions?
> > Or would you rather manually connect them yourself?
> >
> > For some users, they want the former, I prefer the latter.
> > If we connect all channels on all input ports, it means that later
> >  you may have to go and manually un-connect the connections
> >  you really didn't want. For me that was a pain in the previous versions.
> > I mean, do you really want ALL ports and ALL channels connected?
> > Could cause undesirable operation...
> > And then there's the issue of connecting all ALSA ports AND Jack midi
> >  ports at the same time. Rather undesirable.
> > I think the current implementation makes the most common sense.
> > On the other hand some find it a pain that currently they have to
> >  manually connect all the connections they do want.
> > They typically have many tracks to connect up, and they just
> >  want to create a track and go, with all connections already made.
> > But as I said, if we connect all ports and channels, at some point these
> >  users would likely have to go through and manually un-connect the
> >  connections they didn't want.
> >
> > > It is now possible to add a JACK output Channel and route it to the
> > > HurdyGurdyLE MIDI input (started with FST), nice.
> > > However I noticed a bug (I think), when I use the pitch-bend on my
> > > keyboard, and connect it with the MIDI Interface via MusE to the VST,
> > > every position of the pitch-bend wheel results in "-64".
> >
> > What is reading -64? The midi controller adjustment knob in the piano
> > roll? IIRC a valid midi track output port may need to be chosen (not
> > 'none') before the knob actually moves in response to your KB changes. I
> > think...
> >
> > > When I record
> > > it in MusE and play it back, it works fine and passes on the values -33
> > > to 32, as it should be.
> >
> > So the piano roll pitch-bend controller graph actually shows the correct
> >  recorded values?
> >
> > > Furthermore, when you double click on the record MIDI track, you can
> > > edit the velocity etc. by clicking the "Ctrl" button. Pitch-bend can be
> > > modified as well (as long as you use it at least once during your
> > > recording). I wonder how I can modify the pitch-bend for a small part
> > > (e.g. half a measure) instead of for the entire song?
> >
> > The controller graphs are editable, even when blank.
> > Click the drawing 'arrow', then hold the shift key while drawing on the
> > graph to draw *new* values on the graph.
> > If shift key is not held, then only *existing* values in the graph
> >  can be altered.
> > The 'snap' setting affects how fine a resolution you may draw the graph
> > with.
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> > > Pieter
> > >
> > > PS: Michael, thanks for the overview. I didn't use it this time but
> > > when I have 10.04 up and running I will definitely use it.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 01:41 +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote:
> > > > Hi Pieter,
> > > >
> > > > It's kind of late but it seems a good time!?
> > > > A midnight spring bath in the garden keeps you awake. ;)
> > > >
> > > > 2010/5/21 Pieter Barendrecht <pi...@re...>:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Recently I read that the newest version of MusE will support the
> > > > > MIDI connections in JACK. Because I start VSTs with FST (I couldn't
> > > > > get DSSI to work), I would like to install the newest version (from
> > > > > SVN).
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked it out (number 419 if I remember correctly), and
> > > > > installed the dependencies mentioned in the README. However, the
> > > > > README seems to be a little out-of-date (the mentioned website for
> > > > > LibSndFile doesn't exist anymore, and QT already reached version
> > > > > 4.5).
> > > > > I installed this version of QT (4.5.3 to be exact), however when I
> > > > > run "./configure" in the /trunk/MusE directory, it prints this
> > > > > error:
> > > >
> > > > Ah, did it say to get the newest? We try to keep the web somewhat
> > > > uptodate but it's probably lagging too.
> > > >
> > > > You need the latest Qt from the 3.x series. Muse 1.x does not support
> > > > Qt4
> > > >
> > > > > checking for QT environment variable QTDIR... yes
> > > > > checking for QT includes (/usr/share/qt4/include)... no
> > > > > checking for QT libraries (/usr/share/qt4/lib)... no
> > > > > checking for QT moc (/usr/share/qt4/bin/moc)... no
> > > > > checking for QT uic (/usr/share/qt4/bin/uic)... no
> > > > > configure: error: need qt >= 3.2.0
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though earlier on I run "export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt4". QT 4 is
> > > > > backwards compatible with QT 3 (by default), however I couldn't
> > > > > figure out how to use the "thread"-option while compiling it, maybe
> > > > > that's the reason why ./configure complains?
> > > > > By the way, the installation of QT from source is huge! The
> > > > > download was about 140 MB if I'm not mistaken, but it took about 2
> > > > > or 3 Gig when it was installed!
> > > >
> > > > Gosh!
> > > > Though you should know that normally you don't need to install
> > > > anything from source, just install the accompanying development
> > > > package from your repository.
> > > > E.g.
> > > > qt3-dev
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > > Other installed software versions:
> > > > > ALSA 1.0.20
> > > > > GCC 4.4.1
> > > > > Libsndfile 1.0.20
> > > > > Kernel 2.6.31.9-RT
> > > > > Jackd 0.118.0
> > > > > Fluidsynth 1.0.9
> > > > > And the soundcard is the Intel HDA one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I use Ubuntu 9.10 (going to install a clean image of 10.04 this
> > > > > weekend).
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance!
> > > > > Pieter
> >
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