Re: [Lmuse-user] Loading any Synth crashes muse

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Dear Robert,

too late I realized that you also contributed code to the dssi-vst feature - so please excuse, my thank you's also go to you!

VST-support within muse is very nice - please check out "Delay Lama"! It is free, works fine with dssi-vst. I use it to test/play voice lines I later want to have sung by real people and it is very funny too. It has nice bend and modulation features too.

I will report issues (stability, synchronisation) if I find one.

I do not use software synths (I only use hardware sound generators) but take a look at "Bristol" - there are most recent packages available for ubuntu v9.10 in launchpad (e.g. https://launchpad.net/~marienz/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=karmic). It is a package simulating many of the famous vintage synths, as far as I remember there is an organ included.

The ghost marker window really is wired - now using ffado/firewire with the rt-kernel it is gone. I had it when I was on linux-generic and alsa.

Well, at the moment I think we are three: Geoff, you and me reacted to my "invitation" - I don't want to suck, it was not ment as an obligation ;-) And for maybe others interested, there is no quality limit! I dreamed about sonofzev's techno-, Viktor's buzuki-, Geoff's didgeridoo-, Robert's rock guitar-version, Matthias' baby singing-, Tim's coded version ...

I was so frustrated about time wasting by doing pc-stuff: I tested Xubuntu v9.10 32bit for music production and to my mind it is very stable working. I installed all the newest audio applications, ... and saved the perfected and twisted system with remastersys. Then I compiled as reported "swami soundfont editor" and all fluidsynth related applications were left unusable.

Don't mind Michael, remastersys is the key - yes, but what I didn't know was that it had a bug concerning the new grub2 boot loader: I only generated a live cd without the possibility to re-install from it my saved system. 
Just now I finished setting up and twisting my system again, but I didn't loose hours, actually it was days :-( 

With my kindest regards to all muse users,
Michael

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:42:27 +0100
> Von: Robert Jonsson <spa...@gm...>
> An: MST <bab...@gm...>
> CC: lmu...@li...
> Betreff: Re: [Lmuse-user] Loading any Synth crashes muse

> Hi Michael,
> 
> 2009/12/10 MST <bab...@gm...>
> 
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > Tim's meals are fine - the dssi-vst-support works great. I yet already
> used
> > dssi-vst successfully as a stand-alone application but having it within
> muse
> > is very comfortable.
> >
> 
> It is nice isn't it :-)
> 
> Don't know if you have noticed this yet but there is a bug with patch
> loading and dssi-vst that I've been bitten by and have tried to fix.
> 
> dssi-vst due to dssi's design cannot handle vst-chunk support. Quite a few
> plugins require this to save it's state. There is a patch for fixing this
> in
> dssi-vst and dssi which I have added support for in MusE.
> Hmmm... all patches are supposed to be available on the dssi-devel
> mailinglist but apparently are not... will have to dig into that.
> 
> Current state is that MusE does vst-chunk save/load if dssi-vst and dssi
> has
> the patches.
> But there is still a problem which I believe is a syncronization issue.
> Not
> all synths will be initialized correctly
> 
> 
> 
> > The ghost-marker window also opens on my system.
> >
> 
> This is the wierdest bug... happens for some, never happened for me. Can't
> recall off the top of my head, didn't I check in some precaution fix for
> this, intentionally hiding the window? I better check :)
> 
> 
> > By the way, is anybody of our small group using muse to make music or
> are
> > we all merely coding, compiling and testing ;-)
> >
> 
> I hope I have published enough wierd stuff to convince you (or anyone)
> that
> I actually try to use muse :-)
> 
> Which reminds me of your christmas song challenge! Ooops, had almost
> forgotten about that one.
> 
> 
> > Sometimes I wonder how much time I spend to get things running and if
> I'd
> > better purchase a hard disc stand-alone recorder and get back to my
> instant
> > music-making trumpet ...
> >
> 
> Yes.. this is a constant problem....
> Both in the way of getting it up and running, and the magnetic pull of
> trying out all new and shiny synths, features, and what not, that pass you
> by.
> It's a constant struggle.
> Sometimes it IS the limitations that make it possible to create. Like if
> you
> used a HD recorder, or a tape recorder for that matter, concentrate on one
> thing.
> Still... 15-20 years ago I was happy with a 4 track tape recorder. I can't
> see myself doing it that way today.
> 
> I think I'm slowly nearing completion of understanding what my music
> making
> tools should be and what I lack. Perhaps sadly it involves some VST synths
> that I have not found a good linux solution for. It sometimes cost a bit
> of
> money but so does all hobbies when you get a bit more serious...
> 
> Right now I'd really like a good organ sound. Found only one that really
> rocks my socks: B4 II VSTi, but it isn't even possible to buy anymore...
> proprietary software really sucks...
> 
> Regards,
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> > With my deepest regards,
> > Michael
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > no - this tip did not work on my system. I will wait for Tim's cooking
> > skills ;-)
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Michael
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Datum: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:55:46 +0100
> > > Von: Robert Jonsson <spa...@gm...>
> > > An: MST <bab...@gm...>
> > > CC: lmu...@li...
> > > Betreff: Re: [Lmuse-user] Loading any Synth crashes muse
> >
> > > Oh, sorry, the path is ./muse/arranger/tlist.cpp
> > >
> > > Be sure to check out the DSSI and hence VSTi support that Tim has
> added
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > /Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/12/7 MST <bab...@gm...>
> > >
> > > > Hi Robert,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the tip, but I wasn't able to find a file "tlist.cpp" -
> > > neither
> > > > in /muse/widgets nor anywhere else in my muse folder :-(
> > > >
> > > > I looked for it before and after doing ./configure ...
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > > Datum: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:03:15 +0100
> > > > > Von: Robert Jonsson <spa...@gm...>
> > > > > An: MST <bab...@gm...>
> > > > > CC: lmu...@li...
> > > > > Betreff: Re: [Lmuse-user] Loading any Synth crashes muse
> > > >
> > > > > Hello again,
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears this is the same issue I had after all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try making this change in muse/widgets/tlist.cpp:
> > > > > 768c767,768
> > > > > Around line 767 find the line:
> > > > >      t = song->createSynthI(synp->text(n));
> > > > > Change it to:
> > > > >      t = song->createSynthI(synthis[n -
> > > MENU_ADD_SYNTH_ID_BASE]->name());
> > > > >
> > > > > It's maybe not the right solution, Tim has to chime in, but I
> believe
> > > it
> > > > > will work again.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Robert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2009/12/7 MST <bab...@gm...>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Robert,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "...Great that the original bug vanished" LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, now being more serious, I did exactly what you recommended,
> > here
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > terminal's output by using the latest CVS compiled 5 minutes
> ago:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > babarosa@acer:~$ gdb muse
> > > > > > GNU gdb (GDB) 7.0-ubuntu
> > > > > > Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> > > > > > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
> > > > > > http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
> > > > > > This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute
> it.
> > > > > > There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type
> "show
> > > > > copying"
> > > > > > and "show warranty" for details.
> > > > > > This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu".
> > > > > > For bug reporting instructions, please see:
> > > > > > <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>...
> > > > > > Reading symbols from /usr/bin/muse...done.
> > > > > > (gdb) run
> > > > > > Starting program: /usr/bin/muse
> > > > > > [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
> > > > > > Denormal protection enabled.
> > > > > > Muse: __i386__ or __x86_64__ defined. Using optimized float
> buffer
> > > > > copying
> > > > > > (asm movsl).
> > > > > > Muse: using unoptimized non-SSE dsp routines
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb76bcb70 (LWP 20338)]
> > > > > > VST_PATH not set, defaulting to
> > > > > > /home/babarosa/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst
> > > > > > RemoteVSTClient: all cache files are up-to-date, not running
> > scanner
> > > > > > Trying RTC timer...
> > > > > > RtcTimer::setTimerFreq(): cannot set tick on /dev/rtc:
> Permission
> > > > denied
> > > > > >  precise timer not available
> > > > > > Trying ALSA timer...
> > > > > > AlsaTimer::initTimer(): best available ALSA timer: system timer
> > > > > > got timer = 35
> > > > > > starting with default template
> > > > > > synthi class <fluidsynth> not found
> > > > > >   name2route: <fluidsynth-0> not found
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb6dacb70 (LWP 20341)]
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb65abb70 (LWP 20342)]
> > > > > > AlsaTimer::setTimerTicks(): requested freq 4096 Hz too high for
> > > timer
> > > > > (max
> > > > > > is 1000)
> > > > > >  freq stays at 1000 Hz
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb5daab70 (LWP 20343)]
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb55a9b70 (LWP 20344)]
> > > > > > lash_init: Not attempting to start daemon server automatically
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb53ffb70 (LWP 20345)]
> > > > > > [New Thread 0xb4bfeb70 (LWP 20346)]
> > > > > > synthi class <SimpleSynth drums by Mathias Lundgren> not found
> > > > > > synthi class <SimpleSynth drums by Mathias Lundgren> not found
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> > > > > > Song::insertTrack1 (this=0x8887430, track=0x0) at song.cpp:2716
> > > > > > 2716    song.cpp: No such file or directory.
> > > > > >        in song.cpp
> > > > > > (gdb)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As already reported, all synths which usually are in my
> default.med
> > > > > > muse-song disappeare, they are not loaded (the ports).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > > > > Datum: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:57:00 +0100
> > > > > > > Von: Robert Jonsson <spa...@gm...>
> > > > > > > An: MST <bab...@gm...>
> > > > > > > CC: lmu...@li...
> > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [Lmuse-user] Loading any Synth crashes muse
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Michael,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great that the original bug vanished, I was to slow to act
> upon
> > it
> > > > > anyway
> > > > > > > ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About the new crash... hmm, I have experienced another crash
> but
> > > it
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > look this one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have built muse with debug enabled (not with
> > > --disable-debug)
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > you can try the following:
> > > > > > > gdb muse
> > > > > > > when it prompts you type : run
> > > > > > > and press ENTER.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MusE should start. Do your stuff
> > > > > > > When it crashes you will get a prompt in the console.
> > > > > > > Type: backtrace
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Send the output here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Robert
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2009/12/7 MST <bab...@gm...>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello to everybody!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael, not so fast!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now muse crashes when loading any synth. Additionally, they
> are
> > > not
> > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > in my default.med muse-song anymore.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is the terminal's output:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > babarosa@acer:~$ muse
> > > > > > > > Denormal protection enabled.
> > > > > > > > Muse: __i386__ or __x86_64__ defined. Using optimized float
> > > buffer
> > > > > > > copying
> > > > > > > > (asm movsl).
> > > > > > > > Muse: using unoptimized non-SSE dsp routines
> > > > > > > > VST_PATH not set, defaulting to
> > > > > > > > /home/babarosa/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst
> > > > > > > > RemoteVSTClient: all cache files are up-to-date, not running
> > > > scanner
> > > > > > > > Trying RTC timer...
> > > > > > > > got timer = 33
> > > > > > > > starting with default template
> > > > > > > > synthi class <fluidsynth> not found
> > > > > > > > lash_open_socket: could not connect to host 'localhost',
> > service
> > > > > > '14541'
> > > > > > > > lash_comm_connect_to_server: could not create server
> connection
> > > > > > > > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server'
> > > > > > > > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 133
> > > > > > > > Listening for connections
> > > > > > > > Created project project-1 in directory
> > > > > > > > /home/babarosa/audio-projects/project-1
> > > > > > > > Added client a281afba-830b-4297-bd8e-ff569d5b16d0 of class
> MusE
> > > to
> > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > project-1
> > > > > > > > fluidsynth sampleRate 44100
> > > > > > > > JACK ERROR: zombified - calling shutdown handler
> > > > > > > > Audio::shutdown()
> > > > > > > > WatchDog: fatal error, realtime task timeout
> > > > > > > >   (12290,0-3) - stopping all services
> > > > > > > > Panic! no _client!
> > > > > > > > watchdog exit
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not so shure, that my compiling swami (as I wondered in
> my
> > > > last
> > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > posts) is the reason for this behaviour. Is it possible that
> > > rights
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > groups are the reasons?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > Michael
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