I have been using a Focusrite 2i2 with Jamulus for a few months and, after some initial messing about, it has been working fine. However, having only 2 inputs is restrictive as ideally I want three: bass, mic + ability to connect iPhone so we can play songs via Spotify if we want to check structures/details. Using the 2i2 I have to disconnect either bass or mic to connect up the phone, even for a 10 second burst of listening.
I finally went out and bought a 4-input Focusrite, the 18i8, so that I could overcome this problem. However I can't seem to work out how to make use of the extra 2 inputs with Jamulus.
In the Jamulus settings it only offers me two input source selectors (input channel selectors for L&R). These seem to be hardwired to the inputs of the Focusrite, and, because there are only 2, I can't use any of the other inputs.
The Focusrite box itself can create custom mixes. I was expecting that I could create a custom mix inside the Focusrite (with, say, mic and bass mixed together) and then feed that to the Jamulus software. But I'm beginning to suspect that's not the case.
It's looking like I need to create the custom mix outside of the Focusrite box and then feed it into one of the inputs, so it can then be passed through to the Jamulus software. But that defeats the whole purpose (and considerable expenditure) of buying the 4-channel Focusrite.
Can any one help me here please?
Many thanks
Chris
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Hi Chris,
As I understand it, it should be possible to do what you want using the Focusrite Control program.
I don't have a Focusrite interface myself so I can't try it out, but I'd look in that direction.
Don
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Hi, I haven't been able to work out how to do this in Focusrite Control. You can create a cusatom mix and direct it to any of the physical outputs of the device - except, it seems, the USB connector to the computer. But maybe someone who knows the Focusrite software better can put me right?
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I do something similar to this with the Soundcraft Ui24r surface-less mixer. I have found I can run multiple instances of Jamulus and map each instance to a different set IO port of theUi24r. This gives me the ability to have several sessions running at the same time and have level control over each input. I've know escaped Windows for this and use the Ui24r + Ubuntu Studio (which includes Jack& Carla) this gives me a lot of flexibility including the ability to connect any input or output of the Ui24r to each separate instance of Jamulus.
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Hi Steve, you are right and this is a potential workaround. I have indeed made this work- running two instances of the Jamulus software, mapping outputs 1&2 into the first instance and output 3 into the second. It seems to work OK. My only concern is whether running 2 instances of Jamulus requires twice the bandwidth, as my broadband connection isn't great. I'll find out on Sunday when we rehearse! Thanks for your time in responding.
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Chris, yes correct each instance will require its own stream to and from the server and therefore bandwidth can become an issue. That being said I haven't had much trouble with bandwidth. Running in stereo and High quality seem to be 729kb/s which means 729k in both directions. The limit in my case is the 'upload' speed, my absolute maximum is 20Mb/s which cope with two or three sessions OK.
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Thanks Steve, my upload speed is about 1Mb/s! Having said that I'm in the
process of trying to upgrade to a faster service. Fingers crossed that works
out OK.
Chris, yes correct each instance will require its own stream to and from the
server and therefore bandwidth can become an issue. That being said I
haven't had much trouble with bandwidth. Running in stereo and High quality
seem to be 729kb/s which means 729k in both directions. The limit in my case
is the 'upload' speed, my absolute maximum is 20Mb/s which cope with two or
three sessions OK.
Chris, just had another thought. If your OK with a single session. You could use Jack audio + Carla and map each required input to Jamulus as required. This works well and results in a single stream (and therefore session) However, Jack can be fiddly to get running on Windows, it takes a bit of effort. Better in Linux, I use Ubuntu studio or you might want to try JamulusOS ../Steve
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Chris, just had another thought. If your OK with a single session. You could
use Jack audio + Carla and map each required input to Jamulus as required.
This works well and results in a single stream (and therefore session)
However, Jack can be fiddly to get running on Windows, it takes a bit of
effort. Better in Linux, I use Ubuntu studio or you might want to try
JamulusOS ../Steve
I had the same scenario with a Focusrite Scarlet Solo with only 2 inputs.
I solved with a cheap 5 channel mixer from Behringer.
On channel 1 (the one intended for the MIC and with XLR connector) I have my guitar rig.
On channel 4-5 I have the output of the Mac/Mobile playing MP3 and cues.
I dont use channel 2-3 but can be useful to connect other devices
The output of the mixer goes in the INSTUMENT input (Channel 2) of the Scarlet Solo while the mic is connected to channel 1.
The Scarlet Solo outputs goes the Jamulus inputs.
In the mixer I can control the levels and also play without the necessity to switch on the Mac and getting the mix from the Mixer PHONE output.
A simpler scenario is to use only the mixer since the Q502USB model has a USB interface and is seen from the Mac and Jamulus as a audio device. The only problem I had is that is not possible the direct monitor on what you are playing but there is a workaround for this.
Ciao.
Last edit: Zyfuss 2020-12-30
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Yes thanks I could do this if needed - I have a Yamaha mixer, so that would work. I guess I was hoping do it within the Focusrite's mixing capabilities, but if not then this would work. I will be interested to see what impact it has on latency though.
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I ran into this issue several times too.
But also output to multiple channels would be very handy (i.e. for recording or link to Zoom).
I tried several other software solutions like JACK2, Voicemeeter etc. but they all have either to much latency or are too complex for most users.
If anyone knows a simple solution for multiple inputs and outputs with Jamulus please let me know !
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I'm using the 18i8 as well and cannot even get a mic to be heard by my other band mates? I have my bass in channel 1 and a mic plugged into channel 2 but the band can only hear the bass. The mic is working fine - I can see the peaks changing in the Jamulus mixer when I talk. Any ideas on how to solve this?
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Hi,
I have been using a Focusrite 2i2 with Jamulus for a few months and, after some initial messing about, it has been working fine. However, having only 2 inputs is restrictive as ideally I want three: bass, mic + ability to connect iPhone so we can play songs via Spotify if we want to check structures/details. Using the 2i2 I have to disconnect either bass or mic to connect up the phone, even for a 10 second burst of listening.
I finally went out and bought a 4-input Focusrite, the 18i8, so that I could overcome this problem. However I can't seem to work out how to make use of the extra 2 inputs with Jamulus.
In the Jamulus settings it only offers me two input source selectors (input channel selectors for L&R). These seem to be hardwired to the inputs of the Focusrite, and, because there are only 2, I can't use any of the other inputs.
The Focusrite box itself can create custom mixes. I was expecting that I could create a custom mix inside the Focusrite (with, say, mic and bass mixed together) and then feed that to the Jamulus software. But I'm beginning to suspect that's not the case.
It's looking like I need to create the custom mix outside of the Focusrite box and then feed it into one of the inputs, so it can then be passed through to the Jamulus software. But that defeats the whole purpose (and considerable expenditure) of buying the 4-channel Focusrite.
Can any one help me here please?
Many thanks
Chris
Hi Chris,
As I understand it, it should be possible to do what you want using the Focusrite Control program.
I don't have a Focusrite interface myself so I can't try it out, but I'd look in that direction.
Don
Hi, I haven't been able to work out how to do this in Focusrite Control. You can create a cusatom mix and direct it to any of the physical outputs of the device - except, it seems, the USB connector to the computer. But maybe someone who knows the Focusrite software better can put me right?
I do something similar to this with the Soundcraft Ui24r surface-less mixer. I have found I can run multiple instances of Jamulus and map each instance to a different set IO port of theUi24r. This gives me the ability to have several sessions running at the same time and have level control over each input. I've know escaped Windows for this and use the Ui24r + Ubuntu Studio (which includes Jack& Carla) this gives me a lot of flexibility including the ability to connect any input or output of the Ui24r to each separate instance of Jamulus.
Hi Steve, you are right and this is a potential workaround. I have indeed made this work- running two instances of the Jamulus software, mapping outputs 1&2 into the first instance and output 3 into the second. It seems to work OK. My only concern is whether running 2 instances of Jamulus requires twice the bandwidth, as my broadband connection isn't great. I'll find out on Sunday when we rehearse! Thanks for your time in responding.
Chris, yes correct each instance will require its own stream to and from the server and therefore bandwidth can become an issue. That being said I haven't had much trouble with bandwidth. Running in stereo and High quality seem to be 729kb/s which means 729k in both directions. The limit in my case is the 'upload' speed, my absolute maximum is 20Mb/s which cope with two or three sessions OK.
Thanks Steve, my upload speed is about 1Mb/s! Having said that I'm in the
process of trying to upgrade to a faster service. Fingers crossed that works
out OK.
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Chris, yes correct each instance will require its own stream to and from the
server and therefore bandwidth can become an issue. That being said I
haven't had much trouble with bandwidth. Running in stereo and High quality
seem to be 729kb/s which means 729k in both directions. The limit in my case
is the 'upload' speed, my absolute maximum is 20Mb/s which cope with two or
three sessions OK.
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Chris, just had another thought. If your OK with a single session. You could use Jack audio + Carla and map each required input to Jamulus as required. This works well and results in a single stream (and therefore session) However, Jack can be fiddly to get running on Windows, it takes a bit of effort. Better in Linux, I use Ubuntu studio or you might want to try JamulusOS ../Steve
Not heard of it, but I'll look it up, thanks Steve
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Chris, just had another thought. If your OK with a single session. You could
use Jack audio + Carla and map each required input to Jamulus as required.
This works well and results in a single stream (and therefore session)
However, Jack can be fiddly to get running on Windows, it takes a bit of
effort. Better in Linux, I use Ubuntu studio or you might want to try
JamulusOS ../Steve
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I had the same scenario with a Focusrite Scarlet Solo with only 2 inputs.
I solved with a cheap 5 channel mixer from Behringer.
On channel 1 (the one intended for the MIC and with XLR connector) I have my guitar rig.
On channel 4-5 I have the output of the Mac/Mobile playing MP3 and cues.
I dont use channel 2-3 but can be useful to connect other devices
The output of the mixer goes in the INSTUMENT input (Channel 2) of the Scarlet Solo while the mic is connected to channel 1.
The Scarlet Solo outputs goes the Jamulus inputs.
In the mixer I can control the levels and also play without the necessity to switch on the Mac and getting the mix from the Mixer PHONE output.
A simpler scenario is to use only the mixer since the Q502USB model has a USB interface and is seen from the Mac and Jamulus as a audio device. The only problem I had is that is not possible the direct monitor on what you are playing but there is a workaround for this.
Ciao.
Last edit: Zyfuss 2020-12-30
Yes thanks I could do this if needed - I have a Yamaha mixer, so that would work. I guess I was hoping do it within the Focusrite's mixing capabilities, but if not then this would work. I will be interested to see what impact it has on latency though.
I ran into this issue several times too.
But also output to multiple channels would be very handy (i.e. for recording or link to Zoom).
I tried several other software solutions like JACK2, Voicemeeter etc. but they all have either to much latency or are too complex for most users.
If anyone knows a simple solution for multiple inputs and outputs with Jamulus please let me know !
I'm using the 18i8 as well and cannot even get a mic to be heard by my other band mates? I have my bass in channel 1 and a mic plugged into channel 2 but the band can only hear the bass. The mic is working fine - I can see the peaks changing in the Jamulus mixer when I talk. Any ideas on how to solve this?