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Four Issues We Need Addressed, Please

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  • Alison Bolshoi

    Alison Bolshoi - 2020-03-25

    1) Does every person in a room need to have an ethernet cable connection between their computer and their router?

    2) Does every person in a room need to have an interface box for the platform to work? One of my students entered a room and we all had huge feedback. We don't know if it was an issue with her computer or if it was because she was the only one without an interface box.

    3) How can we either limit the number of participants in our room, OR not register it so that other cannot see it, but still be able to access it?

    4) My pianist has only Windows computers in his home. One of his PCs works with Jamulus and the other does not. Can you tell us why this is? Is there something we can do with the PC that isn't working, to get it to work?

     
  • Gilgongo

    Gilgongo - 2020-03-25

    Hi Alison,

    1. That is strongly reccommended. Wifi isn't the best for what Jamulus needs to do.
    2. Probably, but feedback issues could be for various reasons.
    3. The easiest way is to to mute people you don't want to hear. Or you can set up a private server (so that it doesn't appear in the main list).
    4. That problem has been mentioned before here recently, but unfortunately I'm not able to test that setup. Perhaps others here might be able to help?
     
  • Alison Bolshoi

    Alison Bolshoi - 2020-03-26

    Gilgongo, Thank you but I need more help than this.

    1) I understand your answer for (1), so thank you.

    2) What are the various things that can cause feedback? We're honestly hoping the feedback is being caused by the lack of the internet cable, and not the lack of an interface box, because I cannot ask my students to go out and buy expensive equipment. An ethernet cable is an easy fix, and cheap.

    3) You said we can create a private server so that others can't see it. We have and the problem is that we can't see it either. How do we find it ourselves and where do we find it? Muting people is a huge issue. If I'm in the middle of a 90 mile-an-hour German aria and four people come in with their feedback, I can't stop singing to mute them. We need to either limit the number of people in the room, which some people have suggested, but we see absolutely no information on how to do that, OR we need to create a private server that we can actually find ourselves.

    4) I understand your answer for (4), so thank you.

    Thanks very much in advance.

     

    Last edit: Alison Bolshoi 2020-03-26
    • Gilgongo

      Gilgongo - 2020-03-26

      Sorry, by "mute" I meant what Gronaz explained: using the "New Client Level" in your settings to zero.

      As for hosting a private server, do you or somebody else have experience in hosting services behid a firewall? If so, you will need to open up UDP port 22124 on your router, and possibly do other things like put the server on a separate machine to the client(s). This is why I think in the first instance you should try a public server and set new comers to zero volume. If that works, I would then consider setting up a private server, but there is no guarantee it will work better for you I'm afraid, since most of the issues occur at the client end really.

      I do think we need a general hardware manual to guide new users in the basic setup of their equipment to avoid things like feedback though, so you raise and important issue. There is this at the moment: http://llcon.sourceforge.net/examplesoundcard.html

       
  • Gronaz

    Gronaz - 2020-03-26

    About 2 : feedback has nothing to do with cable vs wifi. Does the person having feedback use both a microphone plus an accoustic instrument (voice is one), and loudspeakers to hear the band mix ? If yes, she could try to use headphones instead of loudspeakers, or the other alternative use electric instrument instead of accoustic (in which case she can use LS)
    About 3) : the simplest way keeping your server public, is to instruct all your mates to go in Jamulus settings and set to "0" the volume for new incommers.

     
  • Gronaz

    Gronaz - 2020-03-26

    EDIT : own server doesn't mean private. The person that runs the server at home (or manages a remote one) should know that making a server private require some simple setting (run it with -e localhost) and optionnaly changing the port (-p ppppp) the server listens on, and instruct all the mates to type in themselves (no mouse clic possible here as the private server won't show in the central list) the public (yes) IP address of the server in the bottom of "Connection" dialog this way
    server with std port 22124:
    xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
    server with custom port ppppp:
    xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:ppppp
    A tip to allow musicians to autoconnect to the server on Jamulus client startup:
    Edit (right-clic Properties) the shortcut(s) or script(s) they use to launch Jamulus this way:
    Target : "c:\Program .....\Jamulus\Jamulus.exe" -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:ppppp

     
  • Alison Bolshoi

    Alison Bolshoi - 2020-03-26

    Thanks, Gronaz. The person who had feedback had a laptop that was not wired to her router. She first used the built-in mic and speakers and then tried earbuds. The feedback was awful and did not change when she switched to earbuds. She does not have good quality earphones or other sound equipment, and frankly NONE of my students are going to have any.

    My goal is that I am trying to see if my students can work with me (voice teacher) and my pianist, so that I can teach voice lessons virtually.

     
  • Alison Bolshoi

    Alison Bolshoi - 2020-03-26

    I also realize I have one remaining issue. I have a Mac and have been unable to create a server because all that downloads for Mac is the app itself. Do you know how someone with a Mac creates a server?

     
  • Simon Tomlinson

    Simon Tomlinson - 2020-03-26

    Hi Alison

    I'm a big proponent for jamulus, as a music producer and in a band and jamulus is fantastic for dual rehearsing amoungst musicians, it doesn't work so well when people just connect in with basic equipment. I'm also a music and singing teacher and teach online. I actually don't use Jamulus for that, instead I use Zoom as I need to be able to have video to see my students. There are some settings in zoom that I need to switch off so that the audio is the best quality. There is still too much latency with zoom for me to play/sing along with students but I usually do copy me type activities and it works great. I only have one student who has a good enough laptop, ethernet and audio interface with headphones that allows me to teach him via jamulus, but interestingly I still have zoom video for our lessons as it's important for us to see each other. If you need any more help with zoom, feel free to ping me directly as that's not relevant to Jamulus and this particular thread. But as others have said, feedback only occurs when people use speakers. If people are on headphones feedback is eliminated. The majority of us jam on jamulus using headphones or they have speakers turned quite low down and dynamic unidirectional mic's pointing away from the speakers.

     
    • Alison Bolshoi

      Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-09

      Hi Simon,
      We're getting more proficient at using Jamulus.  I have an interface, ethernet cable, headphones and a mic.  So does my pianist. When I'm working on my own music with him, this setup is working very well (it wasn't originally but we had to get better at understanding the interface, etc).  When I'm teaching, often my singers do not have any of this equipment, but for most of them we've found that they are having a good experience on Jamulus.
      We use Zoom on our phones because I need to see them also!
      I have a Mac.  Is there a way you know of to create my own server if I have a Mac?
      Really appreciate your input!
      ADDRESS:

      Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

      Alison

      www.alisonbolshoi.com

      On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 07:54:50 PM EDT, Simon Tomlinson <kanopy@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
      

      Hi Alison

      I'm a big proponent for jamulus, as a music producer and in a band and jamulus is fantastic for dual rehearsing amoungst musicians, it doesn't work so well when people just connect in with basic equipment. I'm also a music and singing teacher and teach online. I actually don't use Jamulus for that, instead I use Zoom as I need to be able to have video to see my students. There are some settings in zoom that I need to switch off so that the audio is the best quality. There is still too much latency with zoom for me to play/sing along with students but I usually do copy me type activities and it works great. I only have one student who has a good enough laptop, ethernet and audio interface with headphones that allows me to teach him via jamulus, but interestingly I still have zoom video for our lessons as it's important for us to see each other. If you need any more help with zoom, feel free to ping me directly as that's not relevant to Jamulus and this particular thread. But as others have said, feedback only occurs when people use speakers. If people are on headphones feedback is eliminated. The majority of us jam on jamulus using headphones or they have speakers turned quite low down and dynamic unidirectional mic's pointing away from the speakers.

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      • Gilgongo

        Gilgongo - 2020-04-09

        Is there a way you know of to create my own server if I have a Mac?

        Hi Alison, it would be great if you could test out the documentation on this to see if it works for you, and if you have any feedback for improvements/clarifications let me know!

        https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Server---Mac

         
        • Alison Bolshoi

          Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-10

          For example, Jamulus is not in my applications.  I had to bypass my Mac to open it, because my firewall wouldn't allow it.  So the application is on my desktop, but not in applications.  So the sample they give as the path to the Jamulus extension: /Applications/Jamulus.app/Contents/MacOS/Jamulus -s &would be incorrect.  Would I put:
          Macintosh HD/Users/Pal/Desktop/Jamulus.app/Contents/MacOS/Jamulus  -s  &
          ?????ADDRESS:

          Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

          Alison

          www.alisonbolshoi.com

          On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 03:30:16 AM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
          

          Is there a way you know of to create my own server if I have a Mac?

          Hi Alison, it would be great if you could test out the documentation on this to see if it works for you, and if you have any feedback for improvements/clarifications let me know!

          https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Server---Mac

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          • Gilgongo

            Gilgongo - 2020-04-10

            Ah yes, the docs assume you have Jamulus in your Applications folder (as per the install instructions) but of course that might not be the case with everyone.

            I'm afraid I don't have a Mac so I'm not sure how best you would determine where the Jamulus program actually is on your system if it's not in Applications, but once you have the path you just need to run Jamulus in the Terminal with -s & at the end and nothing else (the server window should then appear and you can configure things from there).

            Can you explain what you mean by "I had to bypass my Mac to open it"? Do you mean the warning dialogue that appears when you first run it, or was it flagged by some other system running on your machine? If so then that's a common issue for small software projects like Jamulus that can't pay Apple for cerification. The client install docs refers to this in fact and what to do about it.

             
        • Alison Bolshoi

          Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-10

          And I have this message repeated several times, already in Terminal from other times I've tried to open it.  Have I already harmed my computer?

          Last login: Tue Apr  7 15:05:48 on console

          The default interactive shell is now zsh.

          To update your account to use zsh, please run chsh -s /bin/zsh.

          For more details, please visit https://support.apple.com/kb/HT208050.

          Bolshoi-Family-Computer:~ Pal$ 

          ADDRESS:

          Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

          Alison

          www.alisonbolshoi.com

          On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 03:30:16 AM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
          

          Is there a way you know of to create my own server if I have a Mac?

          Hi Alison, it would be great if you could test out the documentation on this to see if it works for you, and if you have any feedback for improvements/clarifications let me know!

          https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Server---Mac

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          • Gilgongo

            Gilgongo - 2020-04-10

            No that's perfectly normal. It's just Apple telling you about a change they've made to the way their system works on the command line. You can ignore that message.

             
        • Alison Bolshoi

          Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-10

          This is a really tech-heavy option.  No one in this house is a date entry person and it's really scary to do this.  I will try it, but it seems that the information here is incomplete.  We'll see.
          ADDRESS:

          Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

          Alison

          www.alisonbolshoi.com

          On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 03:30:16 AM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
          

          Is there a way you know of to create my own server if I have a Mac?

          Hi Alison, it would be great if you could test out the documentation on this to see if it works for you, and if you have any feedback for improvements/clarifications let me know!

          https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Server---Mac

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          • Gilgongo

            Gilgongo - 2020-04-10

            Yes, Jamulus has been designed mainly for people to connect to public servers rather than create servers themselves. But with its increased popularity, the need to create private servers in particular has increased. I'm not responsible for creating the software, but perhaps they will make this easier for Macintosh users in the future. Until then, I'm afraid this is the only method.

             
            • Alison Bolshoi

              Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-14

              We are managing with the issues I mentioned.  However, I would like to ask some questions about the servers!  We keep downloading the new versions, but every time we do, we are offered servers that are farther and farther away from where we live!  We don't want servers in Great Britain or Germany!!!  We want them in New Jersey and New York!!!  The current server list we were given with .7 has not one server in a state near us!  I have a Mac and cannot create a server, and my pianist had difficulty creating one with his Windows computer and thinks there is now a limit on how many servers can be created.
              How can we work well when the nearest server is in Haiti and we are in New Jersey???  Why is Jamulus giving us such remote choices?  There must be tons of people here who are on Jamulus!

              ADDRESS:

              Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

              Alison

              www.alisonbolshoi.com

              On Friday, April 10, 2020, 04:48:47 PM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
              

              Yes, Jamulus has been designed mainly for people to connect to public servers rather than create servers themselves. But with its increased popularity, the need to create private servers in particular has increased. I'm not responsible for creating the software, but perhaps they will make this easier for Macintosh users in the future. Until then, I'm afraid this is the only method.

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              • Simon Tomlinson

                Simon Tomlinson - 2020-04-14

                Allison,

                Not sure why serverlist is not giving you servers in New Jersey, I can see
                a few on my list.

                However to answer one of your points. You can create a server on a mac and
                even if it's not visible on server list your friends can connect to it by
                typing your IP address in directly to their jamulus clients.

                If you want more specific help doing this I'd be happy to guide you through
                on a remote session.

                Simon

                On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 17:20 Alison Bolshoi, divalison@users.sourceforge.net
                wrote:

                We are managing with the issues I mentioned. However, I would like to ask
                some questions about the servers! We keep downloading the new versions,
                but every time we do, we are offered servers that are farther and farther
                away from where we live! We don't want servers in Great Britain or
                Germany!!! We want them in New Jersey and New York!!! The current server
                list we were given with .7 has not one server in a state near us! I have a
                Mac and cannot create a server, and my pianist had difficulty creating one
                with his Windows computer and thinks there is now a limit on how many
                servers can be created.
                How can we work well when the nearest server is in Haiti and we are in New
                Jersey??? Why is Jamulus giving us such remote choices? There must be
                tons of people here who are on Jamulus!

                ADDRESS:

                Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

                Alison

                www.alisonbolshoi.com

                On Friday, April 10, 2020, 04:48:47 PM EDT, Gilgongo gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

                Yes, Jamulus has been designed mainly for people to connect to public
                servers rather than create servers themselves. But with its increased
                popularity, the need to create private servers in particular has increased.
                I'm not responsible for creating the software, but perhaps they will make
                this easier for Macintosh users in the future. Until then, I'm afraid this
                is the only method.

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                • Alison Bolshoi

                  Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-15

                  Dear Simon, 
                  I would very much appreciate your walking me through how to create my own private server.  When might you be available to do this?
                  ADDRESS:

                  Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

                  Alison

                  www.alisonbolshoi.com

                  On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 12:24:25 PM EDT, Simon Tomlinson <kanopy@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
                  

                  Allison,

                  Not sure why serverlist is not giving you servers in New Jersey, I can see
                  a few on my list.

                  However to answer one of your points. You can create a server on a mac and
                  even if it's not visible on server list your friends can connect to it by
                  typing your IP address in directly to their jamulus clients.

                  If you want more specific help doing this I'd be happy to guide you through
                  on a remote session.

                  Simon

                  On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 17:20 Alison Bolshoi, divalison@users.sourceforge.net
                  wrote:

                  We are managing with the issues I mentioned. However, I would like to ask
                  some questions about the servers! We keep downloading the new versions,
                  but every time we do, we are offered servers that are farther and farther
                  away from where we live! We don't want servers in Great Britain or
                  Germany!!! We want them in New Jersey and New York!!! The current server
                  list we were given with .7 has not one server in a state near us! I have a
                  Mac and cannot create a server, and my pianist had difficulty creating one
                  with his Windows computer and thinks there is now a limit on how many
                  servers can be created.
                  How can we work well when the nearest server is in Haiti and we are in New
                  Jersey??? Why is Jamulus giving us such remote choices? There must be
                  tons of people here who are on Jamulus!

                  ADDRESS:

                  Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

                  Alison

                  www.alisonbolshoi.com

                  On Friday, April 10, 2020, 04:48:47 PM EDT, Gilgongo gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

                  Yes, Jamulus has been designed mainly for people to connect to public
                  servers rather than create servers themselves. But with its increased
                  popularity, the need to create private servers in particular has increased.
                  I'm not responsible for creating the software, but perhaps they will make
                  this easier for Macintosh users in the future. Until then, I'm afraid this
                  is the only method.

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              • Gilgongo

                Gilgongo - 2020-04-14

                I think there are two problems here: the first is the "200 server limit" issue that may be preventing servers registering a the Central Server. We have made a change that we hope will help with this. Please see this announcement.

                The second is a separate issue, which is the "limited server choices problem" which means you may not be able to see very many servers even if they are listed. Unfortunatley, I think it may be to do with the internet connections of the clients and the servers than it is about Jamulus.

                However, is you start Jamulus in the Terminal with the --showallservers option you will see all servers, although you may not be able to connect to them. But give it a go if you see servers near you.

                 

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                • Alison Bolshoi

                  Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-14

                  I will try that.  I want to explain that yesterday my pianist, who lives two hours southeast of me, and my student, who lives 45 minutes northeast of me, were all seeing the same servers available.  None of us have the same internet service.
                  ADDRESS:

                  Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

                  Alison

                  www.alisonbolshoi.com

                  On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 12:34:05 PM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
                  

                  I think there are two ptoblems here: the first is the "200 server limit" issue that may be preventing servers registering a the Central Server. We have made a change that we hope will help with this. Please see this announcement.

                  The second is a separate issue, which is the "limited server choices problem" which means you may not be able to see very many servers even if they are listed. Unfortunatley, I think it may be to do with the internet connections of the clients and the servers than it is about Jamulus.

                  However, is you start Jamulus in the Terminal with the --showallservers option you will see all servers, although you may not be able to connect to them. But give it a go if you see servers near you.

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                • Alison Bolshoi

                  Alison Bolshoi - 2020-04-15

                  Guys, I continue to have ongoing issues with certain students who have Windows computers.  One is getting an error message from ASIO when on Jamulus that their sample rate is not 48 so they cannot use Jamulus.  When this student connects to a server, I cannot hear them and they cannot hear me.  They are using headphones with a built in microphone that ASIO is not recognizing (has a USB plug).  They also have a second set of headphones with a regular plug, and I cannot hear them when they have that plugged in either.
                  The other student has just earbuds.  She can hear me when she connects to a server, but I cannot hear her, whether her earbuds are connected or not.  We both have our settings exactly the same as my other students who have no issues.  We are all losing our minds, spending hours uninstalling Jamulus and ASIO, reinstalling, checking every setting.  
                  What could be causing these issues?
                  ADDRESS:

                  Peace, Love & Sandy Feet,

                  Alison

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                  On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 12:34:05 PM EDT, Gilgongo <gilgongojones@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
                  

                  I think there are two ptoblems here: the first is the "200 server limit" issue that may be preventing servers registering a the Central Server. We have made a change that we hope will help with this. Please see this announcement.

                  The second is a separate issue, which is the "limited server choices problem" which means you may not be able to see very many servers even if they are listed. Unfortunatley, I think it may be to do with the internet connections of the clients and the servers than it is about Jamulus.

                  However, is you start Jamulus in the Terminal with the --showallservers option you will see all servers, although you may not be able to connect to them. But give it a go if you see servers near you.

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                  • Gilgongo

                    Gilgongo - 2020-04-15

                    Hi Alison - if it's any help, here's what my ASIO driver setup looks like on Windows (you can get to this in Jamulus Settings and clicking on the the "ASIO Setup" button).

                    However, it may be that your student's audio interface hardware is not compatible with Jamulus. I'm using an external audio interface for this reason (I have a cheap Windows PC): a Behringer UCA222

                     
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