linuxconsole-dev

Re: Similar project for Windows. How about dual-head

[Fredrik T. <fr...@do...>]

On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 10:58 -0700, yitzhak bar geva wrote:
> Here's a link to an article about a similar,
> proprietary project done here in Israel for MS
> Windows:
> 
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/569358.html
> 
> I spoke to the developer today. What is interesting in
> his work is that he uses Nvidia dual port boards and
> gets a separate session on each one.
> The Nvidia drive documentation has an XConfig layout
> (near the end) which describes such a scenario. I had
> asked Aivils about this and he said it won't work with
> Ribui (Ruby). I never tried it.
> What are the chances that we can get separate sessions
> on each port of an Nvidia dual-port board?
> Does it require work on the part of the Xorg
> developers?
> What are the technicalities involved?

The problem is that the X server handles one (or more) *card* at a time.
Two X servers cannot share a single physical card.

The way to solve this would be to write a kernel framebuffer driver that
presents one framebuffer device to userspace for each head, and then run
two X servers that use these framebuffer devices instead of controlling
hardware directly (as they should be doing either way). The problem with
this, as far as I know, is that either the framebuffer device interface
isn't accelerated, or that there is no X server capable of using the
acceleration. I also don't think that there is a framebuffer driver that
does this with nVidia cards, but writing such a driver would probably be
the smallest subproblem involved.

At least this is my take on the situation.

Fredrik Tolf

Re: Similar project for Windows. How about dual-head

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Aivils <ai...@un...> wrote:


<snip>

> 
> linux-ruby code was almost done in early year 2002.
> linux-ruby is simplest way to start multiple local
> X.
> Dual head cards normaly hande only single X server.
> You cannot start multiple X servers on single video
> card.
> 
> These circumstances because i use linux-ruby.
> 
> Chinese sells windows multihead version since 2002
> http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_betwin_info.html
> 

Right on!

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Re: Similar project for Windows. How about dual-head

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Thursday 28 April 2005 20:58, yitzhak bar geva wrote:
> Here's a link to an article about a similar,
> proprietary project done here in Israel for MS
> Windows:
> 
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/569358.html
> 
> I spoke to the developer today. What is interesting in
> his work is that he uses Nvidia dual port boards and
> gets a separate session on each one.
> The Nvidia drive documentation has an XConfig layout
> (near the end) which describes such a scenario. I had
> asked Aivils about this and he said it won't work with
> Ribui (Ruby). I never tried it.
> What are the chances that we can get separate sessions
> on each port of an Nvidia dual-port board?
> Does it require work on the part of the Xorg
> developers?
> What are the technicalities involved?
> Yitzhak

linux-ruby code was almost done in early year 2002.
linux-ruby is simplest way to start multiple local X.
Dual head cards normaly hande only single X server.
You cannot start multiple X servers on single video card.

These circumstances because i use linux-ruby.

Chinese sells windows multihead version since 2002
http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_betwin_info.html

Aivils

Re: freebsd version

[James S. <jsi...@ww...>]

Nope :-/

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, Jeremy Guarini wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a freebsd version of linuxconsole out
> there?
> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> -Thanks
> 
> -Jeremy Guarini
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Similar project for Windows. How about dual-head

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

Here's a link to an article about a similar,
proprietary project done here in Israel for MS
Windows:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/569358.html

I spoke to the developer today. What is interesting in
his work is that he uses Nvidia dual port boards and
gets a separate session on each one.
The Nvidia drive documentation has an XConfig layout
(near the end) which describes such a scenario. I had
asked Aivils about this and he said it won't work with
Ribui (Ruby). I never tried it.
What are the chances that we can get separate sessions
on each port of an Nvidia dual-port board?
Does it require work on the part of the Xorg
developers?
What are the technicalities involved?
Yitzhak

freebsd version

[Jeremy G. <yo...@cs...>]

Does anyone know if there is a freebsd version of linuxconsole out
there?

Just wondering.

-Thanks

-Jeremy Guarini

Ruby/Ribui Flash animation

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

You might enjoy seeing the Flash animation of
Ruby/Ribui in action (still in Hebrew):

http://www.regobot.co.il/matzegetribui.htm

YBG

Re: We're willing to contribute to the new site and logo

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Friday 22 April 2005 02:25, James Simmons wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your support. I would like help designing 
> the new web site. I have some initial work at
> 
> http://linuxconsole.sf.net/new/

I am so sorry. That is not worth of viewing :-(
Anyway i request front page rewriting. Text mode is good
enough. Just put into front page technical correct project
description. You spend 2-3 human/hours and give normal
face for project. IMHO that page is not updated since year 2001.

Extreme large up-to-date documentation already exist, just notify!
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/

Best regards,
Aivils

Name suggestion: Ribui instead of Ruby

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

Here's my suggestion:
"Ribui" (rhymes with GUI) is Hebrew for "multi". It's
short, sounds like Ruby and says what we want.
Feedback, please...
Yitzhak Bar Geva

Re: We're willing to contribute to the new site and logo

[James S. <jsi...@ww...>]

Thank you for your support. I would like help designing 
the new web site. I have some initial work at

http://linuxconsole.sf.net/new/


On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, yitzhak bar geva wrote:

> We at Regobot (www.regobot.co.il) are willing to help
> in building a new site for the project. We are
> considering doing it using Mambo. Any comments? We
> also have some graphics capabilities which we would
> gladly share.
> Question: Where can we host the site? If it costs
> money, who pays? What about attempting to obtain
> sponsorship through an Open Source foundation? Where
> can we go next to examine that posibility?
> In the meantime, Keep us informed regarding the new
> and name. We also have some ideas on that topic also.
> Best,
> Yitzhak Bar Geva,
> Regobot
> 
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Re: Business proposal? Not at all!

[James S. <jsi...@ww...>]

Very thing is okay. I understood what you where purposing.
To limit cost I will keep the web site on SF. If you really wish to keep 
the web site up to date I will gladly accept a nice new site. Web 
development is not my thing.


> I'm sorry if our willingness to contribute sounded
> like a businss proposal. I have seen many Open Source
> projects with home pages outside of Sf. The Sf page
> has a link to them. Here's an example:
> The Tuxpaint project on SF is at:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxpaint
> and the Homepage link brings you to:
> http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/
> Isn't that what we have in mind?
> Yitzhak

> > Your posting sounds more like business proposal
> > rather than an offer to help ;-) Others too share
> their opinions. The reason that I derived this notion
> is obviously the linuxconsole would be hosted at
> sf.net rather than anywhere else, yes?
> 
> 
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Anyone want to hack the Tangtop device?

[Kjetil K. <kj...@kj...>]

Hi there!

Some time ago, I tried to set up my system with two heads, and while I 
got it working well, I didn't get my favorite configuration up. It 
involved a Tangtop Generic USBPS2, a thingy that gives you two PS/2 
connectors from a USB port. It looks something like this:
http://www.pacificcable.com/photos/USBPS2.jpg

What happened was that it worked OK for some time, but suddenly, the 
keyboard started generating events wildly. Various techniques were 
suggested here to hack it, but I never got around to do it. There's a 
thread on it here:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6542198
(hm, sourceforge was really slow here today...)
The logs from my last trial is at 
http://dev.kjernsmo.net/tmp/ruby-only-logs1/

However, now that I'm single I don't need the second head anymore, I 
figured that if anybody wants the Tangtop Generic USBPS2 thingy, to try 
to figure out what's wrong, I can s-mail it to you. 

If anybody thinks they can figure it out, I'll be happy to mail it.

I'm not on the list now, please CC any replies.

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Business proposal? Not at all!

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

I'm sorry if our willingness to contribute sounded
like a businss proposal. I have seen many Open Source
projects with home pages outside of Sf. The Sf page
has a link to them. Here's an example:
The Tuxpaint project on SF is at:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxpaint
and the Homepage link brings you to:
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/
Isn't that what we have in mind?
Yitzhak
>    1. Re: We're willing to contribute to the new
> site and logo (Dr. Sichendra Bista)
> > From: "Dr. Sichendra Bista"
> <dr...@ep...>
> To: lin...@li...
> Subject: Re: We're willing to contribute to the new
> site and logo
> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:00:44 +0700
> 
> On Sunday 17 April 2005 10:25, 
> lin...@li...
> wrote:
> Your posting sounds more like business proposal
> rather than an offer to help ;-) Others too share
their opinions. The reason that I derived this notion
is obviously the linuxconsole would be hosted at
sf.net rather than anywhere else, yes?

Re: We're willing to contribute to the new site and logo

[Dr. S. B. <dr...@ep...>]

On Sunday 17 April 2005 10:25, 
lin...@li... wrote:
Your posting sounds more like business proposal rather than an offer 
to help ;-) Others too share their opinions. The reason that I 
derived this notion is obviously the linuxconsole would be hosted at 
sf.net rather than anywhere else, yes?

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: yitzhak bar geva <yit...@ya...>
> Subject: We're willing to contribute to the new site and logo
> To: lin...@li...
>
> We at Regobot (www.regobot.co.il) are willing to help
> in building a new site for the project. We are
> considering doing it using Mambo. Any comments? We
> also have some graphics capabilities which we would
> gladly share.
> Question: Where can we host the site? If it costs
> money, who pays? What about attempting to obtain
> sponsorship through an Open Source foundation? Where
> can we go next to examine that posibility?
> In the meantime, Keep us informed regarding the new
> and name. We also have some ideas on that topic also.
> Best,
> Yitzhak Bar Geva,
> Regobot
>
>
>
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We're willing to contribute to the new site and logo

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

We at Regobot (www.regobot.co.il) are willing to help
in building a new site for the project. We are
considering doing it using Mambo. Any comments? We
also have some graphics capabilities which we would
gladly share.
Question: Where can we host the site? If it costs
money, who pays? What about attempting to obtain
sponsorship through an Open Source foundation? Where
can we go next to examine that posibility?
In the meantime, Keep us informed regarding the new
and name. We also have some ideas on that topic also.
Best,
Yitzhak Bar Geva,
Regobot

regarding ruby_init

[Vineesh <vi...@hc...>]

hi all,
  Now i am trying with 2.6.10 ruby and xorg 6.7 . I am using ruby_init
script for fixing key boards and mices. but with this new setup the
ruby_init script is doin nothing. It just assigns all the devices in
order. how can i solve this problem?
regards
   vineeesh 

Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Michael P. <mp...@op...>]

>> > We need a new branch with a new name...

For marketing purposes we have been calling the multi-user stuff SLIM for
Simultaneous Local Independent Multiple-user.  It is too hard to search
for  Ruby because of the language.  Officially calling it all Bruby even
for non-back-ported versions wouldn't be too bad.  What about a play on
hydra or octopus referring to the multiple heads and legs?  Hydrax?  Out
of the gems suggested so far I like moonstone the best, but there is
always Sodalite (from http://www.gemhut.com/gemidx.htm )

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Why running after a gem? Why not other? Like Prism?

[Dr. S. B. <dr...@ep...>]

Why should the linuxconsole.sf.net be named after a gem? What is the 
relevance? Like others, I also got confused in the beginning with 
ruby with the ruby-language.

I suggest PRISM and the logo would be a pyramid like delta and the 
favicon could be a triangle. 

The reason I suggest is primarily because the linuxconsole patch does 
the same like what the prism does with the white light. It just 
creates a spectrum of lights like the ruby patch creates a spectrum 
of consoles out of a single box (upto six), if I am right?

Or, any linux carrying the patch could be named as Presley 
(PRISm+LInux=PRISLI which sounds like Presley). What do you think?

Just my 2 cents.  Thank you.

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Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Alban B. <bro...@wa...>]

Le Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:35:30 +0100, James Simmons a écrit :


> I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with a 
> new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about the
> name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting 
> what the gem name we should us?
> 

keep the confusion ... quartz :)

Greetings
Alban

Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

> On Thursday 14 April 2005 10:36, samar wrote:
> > for what its worth, can I suggest Opal - like ruby short and sweet.
> 
> Opal is already very popular under linux
> 
> http://opal.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.fi.muni.cz/~kas/opal/about.html
>
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/tivoli/partners/public.jsp?tab=connect&content=feature-opal-bps
> https://wiki.freitagsrunde.org/Opal
> 

so what's the problem to keep "ruby" then :-)

i'm somehow against a name change,
we had (b)ruby for at least 3-4 years, why change it ?
(and i think i really like "ruby" :-) )

> > best regards
> > samar
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Aivils" <ai...@un...>
> > To: <zb...@fr...>
> > Cc: "James Simmons" <jsi...@pe...>; 
> > <lin...@li...>; <jsi...@in...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?
> > 
> > 
> > > On Wednesday 13 April 2005 20:30, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
> > >> > I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch
> with 
> > >> > a
> > >> > new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused
> about 
> > >> > the
> > >> > name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any
> suggesting
> > >> > what the gem name we should us?
> > >>
> > >> Korund. That covers almost all. It also refers to how hard the thing
> is.
> > >> And I find it a fancy name, too. :-)
> > >
> > > Oops. I was think that all is Holywood movie names :o)
> > > However korundum is ruby-language submodule.
> > >
> > > To keep movie-gem compatibility i vote
> > >
> > > moonstone
> > >
> > > Learn more
> > > http://www.gemhut.com/gemidx.htm
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Aivils
> 
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Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Thursday 14 April 2005 10:36, samar wrote:
> for what its worth, can I suggest Opal - like ruby short and sweet.

Opal is already very popular under linux

http://opal.sourceforge.net/
http://www.fi.muni.cz/~kas/opal/about.html
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/tivoli/partners/public.jsp?tab=connect&content=feature-opal-bps
https://wiki.freitagsrunde.org/Opal

> best regards
> samar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aivils" <ai...@un...>
> To: <zb...@fr...>
> Cc: "James Simmons" <jsi...@pe...>; 
> <lin...@li...>; <jsi...@in...>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?
> 
> 
> > On Wednesday 13 April 2005 20:30, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
> >> > I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with 
> >> > a
> >> > new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about 
> >> > the
> >> > name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting
> >> > what the gem name we should us?
> >>
> >> Korund. That covers almost all. It also refers to how hard the thing is.
> >> And I find it a fancy name, too. :-)
> >
> > Oops. I was think that all is Holywood movie names :o)
> > However korundum is ruby-language submodule.
> >
> > To keep movie-gem compatibility i vote
> >
> > moonstone
> >
> > Learn more
> > http://www.gemhut.com/gemidx.htm
> >
> > Regards,
> > Aivils

Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[samar <sa...@ef...>]

for what its worth, can I suggest Opal - like ruby short and sweet.

best regards
samar
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To: <zb...@fr...>
Cc: "James Simmons" <jsi...@pe...>; 
<lin...@li...>; <jsi...@in...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?


> On Wednesday 13 April 2005 20:30, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
>> > I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with 
>> > a
>> > new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about 
>> > the
>> > name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting
>> > what the gem name we should us?
>>
>> Korund. That covers almost all. It also refers to how hard the thing is.
>> And I find it a fancy name, too. :-)
>
> Oops. I was think that all is Holywood movie names :o)
> However korundum is ruby-language submodule.
>
> To keep movie-gem compatibility i vote
>
> moonstone
>
> Learn more
> http://www.gemhut.com/gemidx.htm
>
> Regards,
> Aivils
>
>
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Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Wednesday 13 April 2005 20:30, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
> > I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with a 
> > new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about the
> > name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting 
> > what the gem name we should us?
> 
> Korund. That covers almost all. It also refers to how hard the thing is.
> And I find it a fancy name, too. :-)

Oops. I was think that all is Holywood movie names :o)
However korundum is ruby-language submodule.

To keep movie-gem compatibility i vote

moonstone

Learn more
http://www.gemhut.com/gemidx.htm

Regards,
Aivils

Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[Zoltan B. <zb...@fr...>]

James Simmons =EDrta:
> I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with =
a=20
> new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about =
the
> name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting=20
> what the gem name we should us?

Korund. That covers almost all. It also refers to how hard the thing is.
And I find it a fancy name, too. :-)

Best regards,

Re: Is linuxconsole.sf.net untouchable?

[James S. <jsi...@ww...>]

> 	Are You aware linuxconsole.sf.net front page is partialy
> obsolete? You was total careless , bot now You show some
> activity.

Fbdev is coming along so its time to work on the console system again.
Also I want to tye it all together. There is some really big changes going 
on in the X world which I like us to get invloved in.

> 	It would be nice if You rewrite "New Features"
> - multiple current tty.
> - each current tty can be assigned with console output
> device and input device (keyboard).
> - special console output device "frame buffer console"
> may be assigned with number of current tty's, where number
> is count of registered framebuffer devices.
> - each console device may be assigned with nuber of
> keyboards.
> - one keyboard conjugate with one console device. One
> keyboard link to multiple consoles is _not_ permited.
> - keyboard - console device link is runtime configurable.
> - each console device assigned with bootime configurable
> count ouf tty's.
> - under X suitable is number of dummy consoles, each
> X can use independ keyboard, which is assigned with
> headless dummy console.

The web site needs to be really improved over all. Any artist here ?


> 	In my opinition ruby CVS looks like waste box. That 
> CVS does not have any internet link, excluded only Vojtech's
> tools like evtest.c jstest.c and so on. I vote moving ruby-2.6
> to separate CVS module like ruby.  sf.net have enough
> docs how to move whole tree. 
> ruby/linux - erase.
> ruby/xfree86 - add to fornt page
> - tuntico is linux input subsystem event translator to xfree
> events , current against XFree 3.3.6 . Suitable for all
> input devices as well. Support 6 axis and 12 buttons (or more).
> Code still remain unique. Verdict- maintain.
> ruby/utils - maintain
> ruby/web - seems useless, because it never goes to front.
> ruby/docs - ?
> ruby/app-pathces - ?

I agree. Ruby should be placed into a attic. We need a new branch with a 
new name i.e being a type of gem. Also people often got confused about the
name because there is a scripting language called ruby. Any suggesting 
what the gem name we should us?

> You are native english speaker against my so-so english, so
> web space recreating is easy task for You!

Yeap. We should also have other language pages as well. I know a few 
people from around the world are here.