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Re: 2+1 setup (repost)

[Frederick W. K. <fko...@co...>]

I have used this setup at home with a Matrox G200MMS, and indeed you
can't use the 'SingleCard' or 'IsolateDevice' options. That limitation
can cause problems with multi-card configurations.  However, with the
G200 MMS (and the G100MMS, which I've also used successfully), I had no
problems.   The G200MMS worked the best of all the various cards I've
used so far.

I have had problems when I needed a sync-on-green monitor (SGI 20d11),
which my G200MMS (strangely?) does not support, and I had to use a
different card (the trusty G100MMS...yes, that gave me 8 heads).  In
that multiple-card setup, one head would hang when X first started up. 
Restarting the server on that head, however, fixed the problem and it
ran stable after that.

After the initial 'wow, that's cool' effect wore off, I quickly decided
I didn't like xinerama, however, and ended up configuring the second
display as :0.1...simply because xinerama really forced me to turn on
both monitors all the time, even when I didn't necessarily need
it...whereas with a second display (:0.0 and :0.1), I can use it when I
need it and leave it off when I don't.

Frederick Koehler


Helge Hafting wrote:

> Hynek Med wrote:
>
>> I sent this but it didn't get back to me.. Strange.. One more try:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am thinking of connecting total of 3 monitors to my PC - to already
>> working Ruby I'd add another monitor, this time without
>> keyboard/mouse, just Xinerama.. The interesting question is, is that
>> even possible? I need isolateDevice for two cards in the  X server
>> which will run two cards, but how to do it.. ?
>
>
> You can avoid the isolatedevice/twocards trouble by using
> a dualhead card for the user who wants two screens.
>
> I know of no way to use isolatedevice for a 2+1 setup.
>
> Helge Hafting
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Re: 2+1 setup (repost)

[Helge H. <hel...@ai...>]

Hynek Med wrote:

> I sent this but it didn't get back to me.. Strange.. One more try:
>
> Hi,
> I am thinking of connecting total of 3 monitors to my PC - to already 
> working Ruby I'd add another monitor, this time without 
> keyboard/mouse, just Xinerama.. The interesting question is, is that 
> even possible? I need isolateDevice for two cards in the  X server 
> which will run two cards, but how to do it.. ?

You can avoid the isolatedevice/twocards trouble by using
a dualhead card for the user who wants two screens.

I know of no way to use isolatedevice for a 2+1 setup.

Helge Hafting

2+1 setup (repost)

[Hynek M. <hy...@gm...>]

I sent this but it didn't get back to me.. Strange.. One more try:

Hi,
I am thinking of connecting total of 3 monitors to my PC - to already
working Ruby I'd add another monitor, this time without keyboard/mouse, jus=
t
Xinerama.. The interesting question is, is that even possible? I need
isolateDevice for two cards in the X server which will run two cards, but
how to do it.. ?

Hynek

2+1 setup..

[Hynek M. <hy...@gm...>]

Hi,
I am thinking of connecting total of 3 monitors to my PC - to already
working Ruby I'd add another monitor, this time without keyboard/mouse, jus=
t
Xinerama.. The interesting question is, is that even possible? I need
isolateDevice for two cards in the X server which will run two cards, but
how to do it.. ?

Hynek

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Re: Documentation

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Sorry! Hit the enter key too soon!

--- Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw...@ya...> wrote:

> 
> 
> --- James van Zeeland <ja...@dv...> wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like a good idea to me. Certainly I think
> > it's necessary to cover
> > the whole scope of multi-console configurations. I
> > suspect it will take
> > a while before the more abstract configs are
> > documented, but I'd rather
> > see something comprehensive than something that
> > leaves users wondering
> > what to do because they're using such-and-such
> > distribution etc, or
> > spending days looking at a common and easily
> fixable
> > issue.
> > 
> > So a troubleshooting table?
> > 
> > 
> 
> If we could agree on what is needed to make such a
> table. E.g.
> 
> Distro:  Debian Stable
> Kernel:  2.6.13-ck6
> X:       XFree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 
> Patched: Isolatedevice patch is incorporated in
> Stable
> Driver:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
> AGP:     TNT2 - VT7
> PCI:     MX-440 - VT51
> Kbds:    2xPS/2 IBM Model M
> Mice:    2xUSB A4Tech WOP-35PU
> Multi:   Faketty
> dm:      Gdm
Number of Symptoms: 1
           AlwaysRestartServer: yes
Symptom1:  Sometimes after logout on PCI vc switch 
           on AGP causes garbage and very slow screen 

           scroll.

Something like that.

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Re: Documentation

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- James van Zeeland <ja...@dv...> wrote:

> Sounds like a good idea to me. Certainly I think
> it's necessary to cover
> the whole scope of multi-console configurations. I
> suspect it will take
> a while before the more abstract configs are
> documented, but I'd rather
> see something comprehensive than something that
> leaves users wondering
> what to do because they're using such-and-such
> distribution etc, or
> spending days looking at a common and easily fixable
> issue.
> 
> So a troubleshooting table?
> 
> 

If we could agree on what is needed to make such a
table. E.g.

Distro:  Debian Stable
Kernel:  2.6.13-ck6
X:       XFree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 
Patched: Isolatedevice patch is incorporated in Stable
Driver:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
AGP:     TNT2 - VT7
PCI:     MX-440 - VT51
Kbds:    2xPS/2 IBM Model M
Mice:    2xUSB A4Tech WOP-35PU
Multi:   Faketty
dm:      Gdm





 
















		
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Re: Documentation

[James v. Z. <ja...@dv...>]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Certainly I think it's necessary to cover
the whole scope of multi-console configurations. I suspect it will take
a while before the more abstract configs are documented, but I'd rather
see something comprehensive than something that leaves users wondering
what to do because they're using such-and-such distribution etc, or
spending days looking at a common and easily fixable issue.

So a troubleshooting table?

Happy to recieve tidbits from other users. How are you configured? Some
distro's probably have different quirks ; for example I will document
building X from .srpm packages but that's only good for Redhat/Fedora
users

If you are using multi-console configurations, feel free to email me
with whatever you feel will help - alternative display manager
configurations, distribution specific differences, successful configs
using framebuffers and dual-head cards etc etc.

Open for submissions; I will continue by covering patching and building
X for a Fedora install, including the vt options Ubuntu users were
talking about that got evdev implementation stable, if they're necessary
for FC; faketty stopped my planned evdev migration in it's tracks...

Certainly an evdev implementation document would be helpful.

J



On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 01:04, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> --- James van Zeeland <ja...@dv...> wrote:
> 
> > Updated.
> >
> http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/Linux/configure_X.htm
> > Comments, suggestions, content submissions welcome.
> 
> 
> Good start. I still favor some sort of symptom table
> in docs. To wit: recent postings about blank screens.
> I realize this is multi-dimensional, server, driver,
> distrib, faketty, ruby, etc. Maybe difficult to do.
> 
> BTW, if you would like help let me know.
> 
> Hugo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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which patchset is the most stable

[Jeremy G. <gu...@gm...>]

I have been running kernel 2.6.11.1 with the ck patchset and the ruby
patch set for some time now. I haven't had any serious issues with it
but I would like to know if there is a more stable (relatively
speaking) patch set out there?

I also run with the patched xorg setup and would like to know if I go
with a newer patch set can I run an unpatched xorg or should I stay
with the setup I have now?


current specs for kernel and xorg

2.6.11.1-ck1-ruby
xorg-x11-6.8.1.901

Thanks,

-Jeremy Guarini

Re: Documentation

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- James van Zeeland <ja...@dv...> wrote:

> Updated.
>
http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/Linux/configure_X.htm
> Comments, suggestions, content submissions welcome.


Good start. I still favor some sort of symptom table
in docs. To wit: recent postings about blank screens.
I realize this is multi-dimensional, server, driver,
distrib, faketty, ruby, etc. Maybe difficult to do.

BTW, if you would like help let me know.

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Re: faketty and Gentoo

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Tre=F0diena, 28. Septembris 2005 07:49, Joshua Reed wrote:
> I am trying to setup a Gentoo box using Fake tty.  I already have two
> framebuffers that I will be using for my Xservers.
> How can I build faketty on a Gentoo box?
> I had no /lib/modules/2.6.12-gentoo/build
> folder so it complained.  I added the folder, but of course there is no
> make file in there.  Anyone on this list have experience compiling
> kernel modules against a gentoo kernel?
> ~Joshua

Install kernel sources
http://www.kernelnewbies.org/


Aivils

Re: Faketty 0.03 blanks screens!

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Otrdiena, 27. Septembris 2005 23:28, Daniel Weingaertner wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We have been using multiuser desktops for more than a year here at the
> University. We actually use multiuser X Terminals (diskless) and soon
> they will be installed in more than 2,000 public schools (about 11,000
> four-heads).
>
> We use the SiS video cards, since it has been the most stable (NVidia
> crashes after some X reinitializations or after half hour of xscreensaver=
).
>
> I'm trying faketty now, with kernel 2.6.13.2, and had a strange problem.
> After some minutes, all screens got black, and the only way to recover
> was to restart the X server. But the X was running normally, just that
> the video signal was lost.
> Then I=B4ve put one X running uppon vt07, and the others at vt5[1-3] and
> the problem was gone. System is up and running.
>
> So I thought it might be that the kernel is sending a VGA DPMS signal to
> my video cards, since nobody is using any of the initial tty. Am I correc=
t?

Yes. Kernel blank text console, because TTY layer stay in text mode.

> And how does the vt07 get the right keyboard, since it is assigned by
> faketty to vt50 (that is not used by any X)

That vt50 is for X only. X understand only /dev/ttyXX numbers

> Would it help if I use faketty on vt07-vt10?

Use on X via normal /dev/tty7, as You note above.

Aivils

ruby-2.6.13-A0

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

Hi, All!

	This is synced to 2.6.13 Linux kernel release. A0 - internal
version number.
http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/files/ruby-2.6.13-A0.diff.bz2

It continues reduction line of Zoltan Boszormenyi. Possibly
contains only few empty patches. Stil very big anyway. It
created against 2.6.13 in hope to trap some tester. --mm
tree will not boot or run sometimes.

Tested: fbcon signle head, dummycon multi head.
gpm untested. /dev/vcs* untested.

Bugs:
tex mode: On Alt-F2 show blank screen or lost cursor.Restore
screen on Enter press.

uses ruby VT handler
---------------------
keyboard 1 --> head 1
keyboard 2 --> head 2
...
keyboard N --> head N

head 1 uses all beepers
head 2 uses all beepers
...
head N uses all beepers

Seems is necessary add to user interface via /proc beeper
maping code.

Unfortunately before merging with -mm linux-ruby must be
100% backward compatible. All keyboards must be maped to
1st console. Fbcon must be capable to use any VC in mess
order. Any TTY uses all system beepers. User interface
must be capable show weird mapping like keyboard 1,2,3 to
VT1 and keyboard 3,5,8 to VT2, beeper3 to VT1.

Spliting ruby to small pieces is big job too.

Aivils

faketty and Gentoo

[Joshua R. <jam...@by...>]

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I had no /lib/modules/2.6.12-gentoo/build
folder so it complained.  I added the folder, but of course there is no
make file in there.  Anyone on this list have experience compiling
kernel modules against a gentoo kernel?
~Joshua
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Faketty 0.03 blanks screens!

[Daniel W. <dan...@te...>]

Hi folks,

We have been using multiuser desktops for more than a year here at the=20
University. We actually use multiuser X Terminals (diskless) and soon=20
they will be installed in more than 2,000 public schools (about 11,000=20
four-heads).

We use the SiS video cards, since it has been the most stable (NVidia=20
crashes after some X reinitializations or after half hour of xscreensaver=
).

I'm trying faketty now, with kernel 2.6.13.2, and had a strange problem.=20
After some minutes, all screens got black, and the only way to recover=20
was to restart the X server. But the X was running normally, just that=20
the video signal was lost.
Then I=B4ve put one X running uppon vt07, and the others at vt5[1-3] and=20
the problem was gone. System is up and running.

So I thought it might be that the kernel is sending a VGA DPMS signal to=20
my video cards, since nobody is using any of the initial tty. Am I correc=
t?

And how does the vt07 get the right keyboard, since it is assigned by=20
faketty to vt50 (that is not used by any X)

Would it help if I use faketty on vt07-vt10?

Thanks,
Daniel

Documentation

[James v. Z. <ja...@dv...>]

Updated.
http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/Linux/configure_X.htm
Comments, suggestions, content submissions welcome.

J

Long VGA runs

[James v. Z. <ja...@dv...>]

Saw a wireless VGA link today. reciever sits bolted up to the roof near
a projector, and transmitter has a directional 10cm square flat antenna
that sits up like a satellite dish.

Good 20 meters or so - no prob.

On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 23:45, James van Zeeland wrote:
> > VGA cable 10meters - $100.
> 
> I have installed and seen successful runs up to 75 meters as analogue
> VGA. 15 meter - no problem. 25 meters no problem with best quality
> cable. 75 meters needed a single repeater approx 1/2 way. Quality of
> your video card's output can make a difference.
> 
> J
> 
> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 22:59, Aivils Stoss wrote:
> > On Piektdiena, 16. Septembris 2005 03:01, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > But yikes!!! those prices!
> > > I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
> > > I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
> > > I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
> > > place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
> > > Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...
> > 
> > Display cables have limited length, where image quality
> > goes down if length (and price) grew. I suppose display
> > cables make this mainframe-like build impossible.
> > VGA cable 10meters - $100.
> > 
> > May be anybody test image quality via 10-15
> > meter cable?
> > 
> > Aivils Stoss
> > 
> > 
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Re: multi-seat gamers videocard prefs

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Piektdiena, 23. Septembris 2005 14:17, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Nature has inflicted me with not being a gamer.
>
> I tried Xorg on Debian and my TNT2 AGP + MX-440 PCI
> with the closed source driver, for the eyecandy
> transparency.
>
> The driver has a fatal failure (TM) here:
> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858&page=1&pp=15&highlig
>ht=loop
>
> But the experiment confirmed that with good graphics
> cards the GPU ought to do the work and not the CPU
> processor.
>
> Which brings up a question: if there are multi-seat
> gamers out there: what are your card preferences? With
> what X? With what driver?

Any sane gamer under Linux chooses Nvidia, because of
best and fast GLX implementation, which was ready years ago.

Mesa GL may be works great with old 3DFX cards, but support
of newest chips is (very) poor. It also slower than Nvidia.

Unfortunately nvidia is not very stable. I couln't compare
nvidia GLX ans MesaGL stability. Code is very hard and large.
Rather Mesa is unstable too.

Most up-to-date games are tuned to work with nvidia
closed source drivers. I mean that 2-4 titles raleased
2003-2005. Topmost emulator Cedega/Winex is tuned for
nvidia too.

Aivils

multi-seat gamers videocard prefs

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Hi!

Nature has inflicted me with not being a gamer.

I tried Xorg on Debian and my TNT2 AGP + MX-440 PCI
with the closed source driver, for the eyecandy
transparency.

The driver has a fatal failure (TM) here:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858&page=1&pp=15&highlight=loop

But the experiment confirmed that with good graphics
cards the GPU ought to do the work and not the CPU
processor.

Which brings up a question: if there are multi-seat
gamers out there: what are your card preferences? With
what X? With what driver?

Thanks!

Hugo







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Re: Ruby for 2.6.13?

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Aivils Stoss <ai...@un...> wrote:

> On Otrdiena, 20. Septembris 2005 22:29, James
> Simmons wrote:
> > I updated ruby to 2.6.13 but haven't got around to
> testing it yet.
> > I think it is time to start mergeing parts of ruby
> in the Andrew Mortons
> > tree.
> 
> Don't think , just do!
2.6.12 feels left out, she says.
> 
> > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
> > > Wayne Whitney írta:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Will ruby be updated to kernel 2.6.13, or
> should I switch to faketty?
> > > > I'm still using 2.6.11.11, as I never got ruby
> to compile on 2.6.12.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Wayne
> > >
> > > Use faketty for now, I still don't have time for
> updating Ruby.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Zoltán Böszörményi
> 
> 
> 


		
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Re: Ruby for 2.6.13?

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Otrdiena, 20. Septembris 2005 22:29, James Simmons wrote:
> I updated ruby to 2.6.13 but haven't got around to testing it yet.
> I think it is time to start mergeing parts of ruby in the Andrew Mortons
> tree.

Don't think , just do!

> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
> > Wayne Whitney =EDrta:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Will ruby be updated to kernel 2.6.13, or should I switch to faketty?
> > > I'm still using 2.6.11.11, as I never got ruby to compile on 2.6.12.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Wayne
> >
> > Use faketty for now, I still don't have time for updating Ruby.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Zolt=E1n B=F6sz=F6rm=E9nyi

Re: Ruby for 2.6.13?

[James S. <jsi...@in...>]

I updated ruby to 2.6.13 but haven't got around to testing it yet.
I think it is time to start mergeing parts of ruby in the Andrew Mortons=20
tree.

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:

> Wayne Whitney =EDrta:
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > Will ruby be updated to kernel 2.6.13, or should I switch to faketty? =
=20
> > I'm still using 2.6.11.11, as I never got ruby to compile on 2.6.12.
> >=20
> > Thanks, Wayne
>=20
> Use faketty for now, I still don't have time for updating Ruby.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Zolt=E1n B=F6sz=F6rm=E9nyi
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Re: Ruby for 2.6.13?

[Zoltan B. <zb...@fr...>]

Wayne Whitney =EDrta:
> Hello,
>=20
> Will ruby be updated to kernel 2.6.13, or should I switch to faketty? =20
> I'm still using 2.6.11.11, as I never got ruby to compile on 2.6.12.
>=20
> Thanks, Wayne

Use faketty for now, I still don't have time for updating Ruby.

Best regards,
Zolt=E1n B=F6sz=F6rm=E9nyi

Ruby for 2.6.13?

[Wayne W. <wh...@po...>]

Hello,

Will ruby be updated to kernel 2.6.13, or should I switch to faketty?  I'm 
still using 2.6.11.11, as I never got ruby to compile on 2.6.12.

Thanks, Wayne