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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-13 01:43:45
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Hi Adam > Hi, > > I've been running 2.2.8 for quite some time now and I'd like to know the = > best way to migrate towards 2.4.9. Personally, I've tried to install = > LinuxPPC 2000 using the 2.2.10 kernel and the 2.4.9 kernel without any = > luck. 2.2.10 kernel panics before booting the ramdisk and 2.4.9 kernel = > panics just after it tries to read the packages. Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon itself. What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning kernels.. > My last question is are there any more recent distributions than = > LinuxPPC 2000 that work with APUS. Hmm, Debian Woody? SuSE 7.2/7.3 (uh, guys, put those stones away..)? > ------=_NextPart_000_011A_01C19AB2.F0924AE0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please stop html mailing. Thank you. PS: Today, I saw three young Tuxes and a lot of older Tuxes walking by... They have been really sweet!!! (Well, they are still) -- Kind regards, Andi |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-13 14:03:24
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Hi Adam > I apologize for the html messages. It's not always obvious when using html > since the difference is subtle in Outlook Express. ... > Anyway, I've > successfully been able to install using the LinuxPPC 2000 installer and > figured out a couple of other things along the way as well. The first thing > was that the CD's I have are LinuxPPC 2000 Q3. I think some of my problems > may have been heat related. I had added some harddrives to my machine and > the circulation around my CSPPC wasn't what it should have been. Please also think about contact problems, especially regarding the SIMMS on the CSPPC, if you are experiencing random crashes. As it looks, we have quite a similar configuration with several harddrives and cd-roms. Have you ever thought about purchasing those special harddisk coolers with two fans, which supply the harddrives with cool air out of the 5 1/4" slots? They are quite useful, earlier my tower has always been very hot around the drives, nowadays they stay cool. How does your system behave under AmigaOS? > One of the > problems that I was having with the LinuxPPC 2000 installer is that /dev/ram > was getting full and prevented mounting the freshly formatted harddrive. I > suspect the hard drive has quite a few bad sectors and the logfile was large > enough to cause this. Hmm, don't know about this. Did you do bad sector checking during installation? Maybe you switch this one of. Hmm, I thought bad sector checking would only be useful with older disk, which haven't their own bad sector management, or am I wrong with this? Are you using a whole harddisk for Linux? > Based on your email, I've just tried the YDL 2.1 distribution with no luck > since it tries to mount /proc/usb and fails and a message comes back that "I > can't recover from this." This is with the 2.4.9 kernel. Although I did > learn how to adjust the ramdisk size by using ramdisk_size = 16384. If it > were easy I guess it wouldn't be any fun, eh? Hmm, once had a YDL kind of distro on my machine, but it was a selfmade mixture between LinuxPPC and YDL, and it was quite a long ago.. Don't even remember if it was a fresh install or an update.. PS: Sorry for the desinformation concerning SuSE Linux 7.2, I of course meant 7.1 -- Kind regards, Andi |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-13 16:35:12
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Hi Adam >> Please also think about contact problems, especially regarding the SIMMS > on the >> CSPPC, if you are experiencing random crashes. As it looks, we have quite > a similar >> configuration with several harddrives and cd-roms. Have you ever thought > about >> purchasing those special harddisk coolers with two fans, which supply the >> harddrives with cool air out of the 5 1/4" slots? They are quite useful, > earlier >> my tower has always been very hot around the drives, nowadays they stay > cool. >> >> How does your system behave under AmigaOS? >> > My system behaves pretty stable under AmigaOS, but if I have heat problems > the machine will reboot and not get past the first use of a PPC datatype. I > know for a fact that I have one SIMM slot that makes poor contact on the > first pin closest to the CPU's. I've removed the SIMMS from this slot and > it's twin and have had the same problems. OK, that's bad. Look out for more/better fans. [ bad sectors ] >> Hmm, don't know about this. Did you do bad sector checking during >> installation? Maybe you switch this one of. Hmm, I thought bad sector > checking >> would only be useful with older disk, which haven't their own bad sector >> management, or am I wrong with this? >> >> Are you using a whole harddisk for Linux? >> > I've got two harddrives with the first one having an AFFS partition to move > kernels around. The second drive is the one with the bad sectors. The > LinuxPPC 2000 installler works fine if you don't check off finding the bad > blocks. Normally I do a two pass intall. First to do the formatting, and > second to to the install. That's a also an idea ;) >>> Based on your email, I've just tried the YDL 2.1 distribution with no > luck >>> since it tries to mount /proc/usb and fails and a message comes back > that "I >>> can't recover from this." This is with the 2.4.9 kernel. Although I > did >>> learn how to adjust the ramdisk size by using ramdisk_size = 16384. If > it >>> were easy I guess it wouldn't be any fun, eh? Hmm, well no, I personally think it's more fun if you wouldn't experience that much problems. Maybe it's useful to have some problems when the first time installing a Linux system, because like that you have the possibility to learn some important and interesting basics, which can be useful in daily admin life, which others don't know about because they had a smooth and fearless installation... >> Hmm, once had a YDL kind of distro on my machine, but it was a selfmade >> mixture between LinuxPPC and YDL, and it was quite a long ago.. Don't even >> remember if it was a fresh install or an update.. >> > > I've been using YDL 2.1 on my MAC and it seems pretty stable. It would have > been convenient to have it work but I'll try SuSE 7.1 Hmm, better use SuSE 7.3 if you have it at disposition, because 7.1 has some really painful issues. For example, the GNOME midnight commander gmc won't work, and it seems as it isn't even an Linux/APUS problem, but a real bad version on the SuSE CD's, gmc didn't even work on my G4 PowerBook. Please also be aware of some more caveats. It isn't possible (at least with 7.1) to use a harddisk which is shared with non Linux-Partitions in an Amiga (well, if you give it a whole harddisk you'll of course not be affected), because the SuSE partitioning tool doesn't recognise the Amiga partitioning scheme. But installation is quite straight forward, just select "whole harddisk" or something, and you don't have to worry anymore about partitioning. So you don't have to partition and set identifiers under AmigaOS anymore. Another issue is that it won't work with APUS precompiled kernel 2.2.10 AFAIR, because this kernel has not DOS partitioning scheme support compiled in it, and that's what SuSE does with your harddisk, it will install a DOS partition table. You have to use 2.4.9 I think. Just copy the ramdisk.image.gz (I think it's called like this on the CD's, I don't remember if I renamed it after copying, but you can determine it easy by looking for a file in the size of about 610008 bytes [version 7.1] on the CD's, somewhere in a install directory) from the SuSE CD set (I can't remember if it has been on CD no. 1, but I guess it was) to your Amiga disk where you have bootstrap and the start script. If you have problems determining the ramdisk.image file I could also send it to you if you wish that (although I don't know about copyright issues, and only version 7.1). -- All the best, Andi |
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From: Stephen W. <st...@co...> - 2002-01-13 17:09:58
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Hi Andreas On 13-Jan-02, you wrote: > Another issue is that it won't work with APUS precompiled kernel 2.2.10 AFAIR, > because this kernel has not DOS partitioning scheme support compiled in it, > and that's what SuSE does with your harddisk, it will install a DOS partition > table. You have to use 2.4.9 I think. Just copy the ramdisk.image.gz (I think > it's called like this on the CD's, I don't remember if I renamed it after > copying, but you can determine it easy by looking for a file in the size of > about 610008 bytes [version 7.1] > on the CD's, somewhere in a install directory) from the SuSE CD set (I can't > remember if it has been on CD no. 1, but I guess it was) to your Amiga disk > where you have bootstrap and the start script. If you have problems > determining the ramdisk.image file I could also send it to you if you wish > that (although I don't know about copyright issues, and only version 7.1). How did you get around the problem of the RamDisk probing irq settings, as when I tried installing SuSE the installation hung at this point and would not move on. -- Regards, Stephen Webber st...@co... ste...@or... ste...@bl... "Now is the time for all good men to come to." - Walt Kelly |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-13 17:42:48
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Hi Stephen >> Another issue is that it won't work with APUS precompiled kernel 2.2.10 >> AFAIR, because this kernel has not DOS partitioning scheme support compiled >> in it, and that's what SuSE does with your harddisk, it will install a DOS >> partition table. You have to use 2.4.9 I think. Just copy the >> ramdisk.image.gz (I think it's called like this on the CD's, I don't >> remember if I renamed it after copying, but you can determine it easy by >> looking for a file in the size of about 610008 bytes [version 7.1] on the >> CD's, somewhere in a install directory) from the SuSE CD set (I can't >> remember if it has been on CD no. 1, but I guess it was) to your Amiga disk >> where you have bootstrap and the start script. If you have problems >> determining the ramdisk.image file I could also send it to you if you wish >> that (although I don't know about copyright issues, and only version 7.1). > > How did you get around the problem of the RamDisk probing irq settings, as > when I tried installing SuSE the installation hung at this point and would > not move on. Uhmm, I am not aware of such a problem! At which step of the installation does this problem occur? The only time the systems hangs, is, after you have installed the packets of the first cd. That's the point when, altough there are plenty of packets still to be installed (but not from CD 1), the Installer saves the already done work, askes you about machine name, passwort and so forth, and then tries to start linuxrc. At this point, the install stalls, and the system hangs. But that's no problem at all, just switch power on and of and reboot the system (this time directly, without the installer, like you would normally boot into a linux system), then enter as root, and start yast (be aware of the qwerty problem), from where you can install the lacking pakets by selecting the same task as during the installation (like 'workstation', 'server', or something else). Afterwards, your done. Which kernel did you use? I remember that I once also used a 2.2.10 kernel by the AZT-ev Germany to install SuSE 7.1 (I've done the installation several times), and this one supported DOS part tables, so, if you are still having problems you could either contact http://www.azt-ev.de/linux.html or I could send you the kernel. But I would prefer contacting AZT in the case Thomas Mache may have applied some own patches on his kernels (but I am not sure about that), and he may have now some newer compiles. -- Kind regards, Andi |
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From: Stephen W. <st...@co...> - 2002-01-13 17:46:01
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Hi Andreas On 13-Jan-02, you wrote: >> How did you get around the problem of the RamDisk probing irq settings, as >> when I tried installing SuSE the installation hung at this point and would >> not move on. > Uhmm, I am not aware of such a problem! At which step of the installation > does this problem occur? Right at the very beginning. > The only time the systems hangs, is, <snip> I've never even reached this point. I'm using Kernel version 2.4.9 from the APUS site on Sourceforge. -- Regards, Stephen Webber st...@co... ste...@or... ste...@bl... "If people turn to look at you on the street, you are not well dressed." - Beau Brummel |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-13 18:50:58
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Hi Stephen >>> How did you get around the problem of the RamDisk probing irq settings, as >>> when I tried installing SuSE the installation hung at this point and would >>> not move on. > >> Uhmm, I am not aware of such a problem! At which step of the installation >> does this problem occur? > > Right at the very beginning. Well but this also seems to be a non-distro-related problem, more a kernel issue. Do you have success with other distros? So, if you want, I can send you the AZT 2.2.10 kernel, with which you could try to install it. >> The only time the systems hangs, is, > <snip> I've never even reached this point. I'm using Kernel version 2.4.9 > from the APUS site on Sourceforge. As I said, seems to be kernel related. Maybe someone more kernel experienced could answer this? -- Best regards, Andi |
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From: Stephen W. <st...@co...> - 2002-01-13 19:41:39
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Hi Andreas On 13-Jan-02, you wrote: > Well but this also seems to be a non-distro-related problem, more a kernel > issue. > Do you have success with other distros? So, if you want, I can send you the > AZT 2.2.10 kernel, with which you could try to install it. I have installed Debian (or at least, the install process works) with the Kernel I am using. If you don't minde sending me the 2.2.10 Kernel you are using then I would be very grateful. -- Regards, Stephen Webber st...@co... ste...@or... ste...@bl... "God help the man who won't marry until he finds a perfect woman, and God help him still more if he finds her." - Benjamin Tillett |
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From: Adam K. <ako...@co...> - 2002-01-14 00:52:17
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Hi, I think this might be a simple question, but what is the most recent (most stable) version of the kernel that works on the Amiga? Adam |
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From: Michel <mic...@ii...> - 2002-01-13 22:50:59
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On Sun, 2002-01-13 at 02:42, Andreas W=FCst wrote: > > I've been running 2.2.8 for quite some time now and I'd like to know th= e =3D > > best way to migrate towards 2.4.9. Personally, I've tried to install = =3D > > LinuxPPC 2000 using the 2.2.10 kernel and the 2.4.9 kernel without any = =3D > > luck. 2.2.10 kernel panics before booting the ramdisk and 2.4.9 kernel = =3D > > panics just after it tries to read the packages. >=20 > Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon itse= lf. > What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning kernels.. A kernel panic is a symptom of either a kernel or hardware problem in general. > PS: Today, I saw three young Tuxes and a lot of older Tuxes walking by...= They > have been really sweet!!! (Well, they are still) Whatever it is you are smoking, I want some. ;) --=20 Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-14 18:57:41
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Hi Michel >> > I've been running 2.2.8 for quite some time now and I'd like to know the >> > = best way to migrate towards 2.4.9. Personally, I've tried to install = >> > LinuxPPC 2000 using the 2.2.10 kernel and the 2.4.9 kernel without any = >> > luck. 2.2.10 kernel panics before booting the ramdisk and 2.4.9 kernel = >> > panics just after it tries to read the packages. >> >> Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon >> itself. What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning >> kernels.. > > A kernel panic is a symptom of either a kernel or hardware problem in > general. That's what I've been thinking about. But I'm still curious about Stephen Webbers irq's. >> PS: Today, I saw three young Tuxes and a lot of older Tuxes walking by... >> They have been really sweet!!! (Well, they are still) > > Whatever it is you are smoking, I want some. ;) Hey listen, I am not smoking anything!! I've just been visiting our local zoo, and I've attended the penguin parade which takes place on 01.30 pm whenever temperatures are low enough. -- Best wishes, Andi |
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From: Stephen W. <st...@co...> - 2002-01-14 21:33:38
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Hi Andreas On 14-Jan-02, you wrote: > Hi Michel >>> Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon >>> itself. What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning >>> kernels.. >> >> A kernel panic is a symptom of either a kernel or hardware problem in >> general. > That's what I've been thinking about. But I'm still curious about Stephen > Webbers irq's. I tried that Kernel you sent me, but there doesn't seem to be support for the Permedia 2 in it, as I didn't get any visible sign of it booting (apart from the Power light flashing as it does with all the Linux kernels I've used). -- Regards, Stephen Webber st...@co... ste...@or... ste...@bl... "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein |
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-14 22:18:05
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Hi Stephen > Hi Andreas > > On 14-Jan-02, you wrote: > >> Hi Michel > > >>>> Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon >>>> itself. What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning >>>> kernels.. >>> >>> A kernel panic is a symptom of either a kernel or hardware problem in >>> general. > >> That's what I've been thinking about. But I'm still curious about Stephen >> Webbers irq's. > > I tried that Kernel you sent me, but there doesn't seem to be support for > the Permedia 2 in it, as I didn't get any visible sign of it booting (apart > from the Power light flashing as it does with all the Linux kernels I've > used). Huh?? I am using my CyberVisionPPC since several years now, and Linux has never been running under other graphic devices (did not even try it with AGA) than this one. Well, wait, which boothack version do you run, or better, under which OS (3.1 vs. 3.9) and with which AmigaOS-side PPC kernel (PowerUP vs. WarpOS). I seem to remember once having had such problems too. I am going to do some testing tonight, but first I have to finish work here.. -- Kind regards, Andi |
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From: Adam K. <ako...@co...> - 2002-01-14 22:30:36
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Hi!
I've not had any real problems with booting 2.2.8, actually I'm booting
2.4.9 as well now) after I upgraded to the more recent version of boothack.
The last version I downloaded works great with WarpUP. Prior versions
forced me to go through some monkey motions before I could get Linux to
boot. The only thing I've been doing, which I think is a bit of a relic
from the past, is to copy the vmlinux file to ram: first and then run
boothack (in a script of course). I've used the clgenfb and amifb:ntsc-lace
and amifb:pal-lace as options for video. I've even gotten X to work in ECS
mode, although there's not much you can do really with ECS with the low # of
bpp. I've also have a hacked 2.2.8 kernel that will work with my
Prometheus/Voodoo 3 3000.
This upgrade thread started because of my interest in getting the most
recent kernel source so I can work on the Prometheus driver driver under
2.4.x. Yesterday, I learned how to use ViewCVS to grab the source off the
web and ran out of HD space (go figure). I appreciate all the responses as
they have been helpful in getting me to where I'm at.
Sincerely,
Adam Kowalczyk
> Hi Stephen
>
> > Hi Andreas
> >
> > On 14-Jan-02, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Michel
> >
> >
> >>>> Hmm doesn't seem to be something related to the LinucPPC distributon
> >>>> itself. What do others think?? I am not that knowledged concerning
> >>>> kernels..
> >>>
> >>> A kernel panic is a symptom of either a kernel or hardware problem in
> >>> general.
> >
> >> That's what I've been thinking about. But I'm still curious about
Stephen
> >> Webbers irq's.
> >
> > I tried that Kernel you sent me, but there doesn't seem to be support
for
> > the Permedia 2 in it, as I didn't get any visible sign of it booting
(apart
> > from the Power light flashing as it does with all the Linux kernels I've
> > used).
>
> Huh?? I am using my CyberVisionPPC since several
> years now, and Linux has never been running under other graphic devices
(did
> not even try it with AGA) than this one.
>
> Well, wait, which boothack version do you run, or better, under which OS
(3.1
> vs. 3.9) and with which AmigaOS-side PPC kernel (PowerUP vs. WarpOS). I
seem
> to remember once having had such problems too.
>
> I am going to do some testing tonight, but first I have to finish work
here..
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Andi
>
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From: Andreas <an...@po...> - 2002-01-15 00:15:48
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Hi Stephen >> That's what I've been thinking about. But I'm still curious about Stephen >> Webbers irq's. > > I tried that Kernel you sent me, but there doesn't seem to be support for > the Permedia 2 in it, as I didn't get any visible sign of it booting (apart > from the Power light flashing as it does with all the Linux kernels I've > used). Bad things happening... Now I remember the whole story (sorry but it has been that long ago since I've installed my machine for the last time, although I used to do it quite often..), I can definitely see your point. The problem is, that the kernel can only be launched by an interesting combination of OS Version, Amiga-side PPC kernel and maybe some other parameters. I feel that you should be using an old boothack (a version before the device locking came up), together with PowerUP (this boothack version won't run with WarpOS..), under AmigaOS 3.1 (I don't know if SetPatch makes it unusable or it is because of WarpOS). It's quite tricky to get the right combination. Well, I could now send you a whole bunch of files with which you could run it, but I think it would be definitively better if some of those great kernel compiling guys who are very nice all the time and are doing a great great job (</compliments>) could compile you a 2.2.10 kernel with DOS partition table support. Michel has been very kind and activated MS-DOS partition tables compiled directly into the kernel (not just as a module) for 2.4.6 and upwards. Maybe someone else could do the same thing for you with kernel 2.2.10. I must admitt that I haven't got a productive Linux installation here atm, otherwise I would have done that for you. I hope someone can help you! -- All the best, Andi |
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From: Adam K. <ako...@co...> - 2002-01-15 06:02:45
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Hi, I downloaded the 2.4.17 source and compiled it and my OS 3.9 / WarpOS / recent boothack machine didn't boot. Blank (grey) screen and heartbeat was all that I got. I checked the config before I compiled and all the obvious video drivers appear to be there. Note that I was using the video parameter "video=amifb:pal-lace". Anyone figure out the right way to get this to boot? BTW make Xconfig doesn't work make menuconfig does Adam > > I tried that Kernel you sent me, but there doesn't seem to be support for > > the Permedia 2 in it, as I didn't get any visible sign of it booting (apart > > from the Power light flashing as it does with all the Linux kernels I've > > used). > > Bad things happening... Now I remember the whole story (sorry but it has been > that long ago since I've installed my machine for the last time, although I > used to do it quite often..), I can definitely see your point. The problem is, > that the kernel can only be launched by an interesting combination of OS > Version, Amiga-side PPC kernel and maybe some other parameters. I feel that you should > be using an old boothack (a version before the device locking came > up), together with PowerUP (this boothack version won't run with WarpOS..), > under AmigaOS 3.1 (I don't know if SetPatch makes it unusable or it is because > of WarpOS). > > It's quite tricky to get the right combination. Well, I could now send you a > whole bunch of files with which you could run it, but I think it would be > definitively better if some of those great kernel compiling guys who are very nice > all the time and are doing a great great job (</compliments>) could compile > you a 2.2.10 kernel with DOS partition table support. > > Michel has been very kind and activated MS-DOS partition tables compiled directly > into the kernel (not just as a module) for 2.4.6 and upwards. Maybe someone else could do the > same thing for you with kernel 2.2.10. I must admitt that I haven't got a > productive Linux installation here atm, otherwise I would have done that for you. > > I hope someone can help you! > > -- > All the best, > Andi > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-APUS-user mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-apus-user |
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From: Michel <mi...@da...> - 2002-01-16 15:54:35
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On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 07:00, Adam Kowalczyk wrote:=20 > I downloaded the 2.4.17 source and compiled it and my OS 3.9 / WarpOS / > recent boothack machine didn't boot. Blank (grey) screen and heartbeat = was > all that I got. I checked the config before I compiled and all the obvio= us > video drivers appear to be there. Note that I was using the video parame= ter > "video=3Damifb:pal-lace". Which works with other kernels I assume? Try booting with debug debug=3Dmem and running dmesg when back in AmigaOS. > BTW >=20 > make Xconfig doesn't work > make menuconfig does menuconfig is better anyway. :) --=20 Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast |
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From: Michel <mi...@da...> - 2002-01-19 16:02:16
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On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 00:52, Andreas W=FCst wrote:=20 > Michel has been very kind and activated MS-DOS partition tables compiled = directly > into the kernel (not just as a module) for 2.4.6 and upwards. Maybe someo= ne else could do the > same thing for you with kernel 2.2.10. I'd much prefer fixing any problems in 2.4.x to using 2.2.10 forever. --=20 Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast |
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