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Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Ken Tyler wrote:

>=20
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>On Fri, 18 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:
>>
>=20
>>>Has not compiled since 2.2 AFAIK, unless it was fixed in m68k and the
>>>changes didn't make it to APUS.
>>>
>>I remember mailing them to Vojtech, and they even made it to Linus, IIR=
C.
>>Of course this doesn't prevent anybody from breaking the stuff again la=
ter...
>=20
> amijoy.c:66: unterminated macro call
> amijoy.c:161: unterminated macro call
> amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_interrupt':
> amijoy.c:66: parse error before `;'
> amijoy.c:68: parse error before `;'
> amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_open':
> amijoy.c:79: `IRQ_AMIGA_VERTB' undeclared (first use in this function)
> amijoy.c:79: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> amijoy.c:79: for each function it appears in.)
> amijoy.c:81: `amijoy_irq' undeclared (first use in this function)
> amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_close':
> amijoy.c:93: `IRQ_AMIGA_VERTB' undeclared (first use in this function)
> amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_setup':
> amijoy.c:100: syntax error before `str'
> amijoy.c:101: `ints' undeclared (first use in this function)
> amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_init':
> amijoy.c:108: syntax error before `)'
> amijoy.c:47: warning: `amijoy_used' defined but not used
> amijoy.c:50: warning: `amijoy_name' defined but not used
> amijoy.c:73: warning: `amijoy_open' defined but not used
> amijoy.c:89: warning: `amijoy_close' defined but not used
> amijoy.c:107: warning: `amijoy_init' defined but not used
>=20
> Could of course be finger trouble here.


Nope, I get the same.


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veloper
CS student, Free Software enthusiast   \        XFree86 and DRI project m=
ember

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Ken T. <ke...@we...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> On Fri, 18 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:

> > Has not compiled since 2.2 AFAIK, unless it was fixed in m68k and the
> > changes didn't make it to APUS.
> 
> I remember mailing them to Vojtech, and they even made it to Linus, IIRC.
> Of course this doesn't prevent anybody from breaking the stuff again later...

amijoy.c:66: unterminated macro call
amijoy.c:161: unterminated macro call
amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_interrupt':
amijoy.c:66: parse error before `;'
amijoy.c:68: parse error before `;'
amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_open':
amijoy.c:79: `IRQ_AMIGA_VERTB' undeclared (first use in this function)
amijoy.c:79: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
amijoy.c:79: for each function it appears in.)
amijoy.c:81: `amijoy_irq' undeclared (first use in this function)
amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_close':
amijoy.c:93: `IRQ_AMIGA_VERTB' undeclared (first use in this function)
amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_setup':
amijoy.c:100: syntax error before `str'
amijoy.c:101: `ints' undeclared (first use in this function)
amijoy.c: In function `amijoy_init':
amijoy.c:108: syntax error before `)'
amijoy.c:47: warning: `amijoy_used' defined but not used
amijoy.c:50: warning: `amijoy_name' defined but not used
amijoy.c:73: warning: `amijoy_open' defined but not used
amijoy.c:89: warning: `amijoy_close' defined but not used
amijoy.c:107: warning: `amijoy_init' defined but not used

Could of course be finger trouble here.

Ken.

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:
> > > Don't think joystick compiles in 2.4
> > 
> > I thought I fixed that in late 2.3.x. Damned, someone broke it again?
> 
> Has not compiled since 2.2 AFAIK, unless it was fixed in m68k and the
> changes didn't make it to APUS.

I remember mailing them to Vojtech, and they even made it to Linus, IIRC.
Of course this doesn't prevent anybody from breaking the stuff again later...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

--
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In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
							    -- Linus Torvalds

Re: compiler version.

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Ken Tyler wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> 
> > Ken Tyler wrote:
> 
> > The SHAPE extension is probably missing because Load "extmod" isn't in the
> > Module Section, and the slow GNOME logout should be fixed as of 4.0.99.2 .
> 
> I'll look into it, I don't think myv XF86Config has a module section...

Then create one containing at least this:

Section "Module"
    Load        "extmod"
EndSection

If you don't use a font server, you'll also have to load font renderers here,
so I doubt you don't have it yet. Look at the examples in the Contrib section.


> I don't understand that version number, is it < 4.0.2 ?  I just got the
> source from ftp.xfree86.org and did make World.

Nope, it's a snapshot which will become 4.1.0, the next major release. You'd
have to get it from CVS. Or there are RPMs somewhere.


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Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Ken T. <ke...@we...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:

> > Don't think joystick compiles in 2.4
> 
> I thought I fixed that in late 2.3.x. Damned, someone broke it again?

Has not compiled since 2.2 AFAIK, unless it was fixed in m68k and the
changes didn't make it to APUS.

Ken.

[ linux-apus-Bugs-230693 ] pcmcia ethernet card

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #230693, was updated on 2001-02-01 03:55
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Category: 2.4 Kernel
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Piotr Tajdus (dus)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: pcmcia ethernet card

Initial Comment:
i compiled 2.4.0 sources with apne and system stop when kernel look for pcmcia ethernet card. i think that system is still alive, but wait for something. i can send via e-mail dmesg and .config

dus


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Comment By: Alan buxey (alanbuxey)
Date: 2001-05-17 08:42

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do you get the same result when you use 2.4.4  (use CVS to
upgrade your sources)


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Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Date: 2001-03-30 03:47

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My output from dmesg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Total memory = 63MB; using 0kB for hash table (at 00000000)
Linux version 2.4.2 (michdaen@pismo) (gcc version 2.95.3
20010219 (prerelease)) #66 Thu Mar 15 18:29:35 CET 2001
Amiga hardware found: [A1200] VIDEO BLITTER AUDIO FLOPPY
A1200_IDE KEYBOARD MOUSE SERIAL PARALLEL A2000_CLK CHIP_RAM
PAULA LISA ALICE_PAL PCMCIA ZORRO
On node 0 totalpages: 16256
zone(0): 16256 pages.
zone(1): 0 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda3 debug=mem nobat 60nsram
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 1
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 3
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 4
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 5
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 7
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 2
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 6
APUS: BATs=1, BUS=67MHz, RAM=60ns, PCI bridge=0
time_init: decrementer frequency = 16.504254 MHz
Console: colour dummy device 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 109.77 BogoMIPS
Memory: 61124k available (1688k kernel code, 788k data, 264k
init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Zorro: Probing AutoConfig expansion devices: 1 device
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Starting kswapd v1.8
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x25
fb0: Amiga AGA frame buffer device, using 1280K of video memory
clgen: Driver for Cirrus Logic based graphic boards, v1.9.8
 Couldn't find PCI device
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
block: queued sectors max/low 40496kB/13498kB, 128 slots per
queue
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024
blocksize
loop: enabling 8 loop devices
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override
with idebus=xx
ide0: Gayle IDE interface (A1200 style)
hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM2550A, ATA DISK drive
hdb: QUANTUM FIREBALL1280A, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 80da0000 on irq 0x0000000c
hda: 5008752 sectors (2564 MB) w/76KiB Cache, CHS=4969/16/63
hdb: 2503872 sectors (1282 MB) w/83KiB Cache, CHS=2484/16/63
Partition check:
 hda: RDSK hda1 hda2 hda3
 hdb: RDSK hdb1 hdb2
FD: probing units
found <5>fd: drive 0 didn't identify, setting default ffffffff
fd0
Looking for PCMCIA ethernet card : <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



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Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Date: 2001-03-30 02:11

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I have the same problem with 2.4.2 (the one which can be
downloaded from here). I have to remove my PCMCIA ethernet
to be able to boot up.

Both 2.2.10 and 2.4.1 crashes for me when trying to boot
from them after install. So the only time I can use my
ethernet card is when I'm install LinuxPPC with 2.2.10

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Comment By: Michel Daenzer (mdaenzer)
Date: 2001-02-01 04:47

Message:
Please include the dmesg and .config with this bug.

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Re: compiler version.

[Ken T. <ke...@we...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:

> Ken Tyler wrote:

> The SHAPE extension is probably missing because Load "extmod" isn't in th=
e
> Module Section, and the slow GNOME logout should be fixed as of 4.0.99.2 =
=2E

I'll look into it, I don't think myv XF86Config has a module section...
I don't understand that version number, is it < 4.0.2 ?  I just got the
source from ftp.xfree86.org and did make World.

> Does ksymoops give any useful information?

Just that the crash is usually during interrupt processing, varies a bit,
here are three from my Amiga side dmesg stack trace program.

0xC00895B0 (0xC0089578 + 0x00000038) ide_end_request
0xC0093308 (0xC00931F4 + 0x00000114) read_intr
0xC008B5D4 (0xC008B458 + 0x0000017C) ide_intr
0xC0044798 (0xC0044704 + 0x00000094) amiga_do_irq_list
0xC004522C (0xC0045170 + 0x000000BC) cia_handler
0xC0045B90 (0xC0045B2C + 0x00000064) process_int
0xC0142090 (0xC0142080 + 0x00000010) apus_process_int
0xC000E2F4 (0xC000E2AC + 0x00000048) apus_do_IRQ
0xC0006700 (0xC00066C0 + 0x00000040) do_IRQ
0xC0003C98 (0xC0003B04 + 0x00000194) _switch
0x00000000 (0xC0000000 + 0x40000000) _start

0xC00373CC (0xC00372EC + 0x000000E0) send_sigio
0xC0037440 (0xC00373F0 + 0x00000050) kill_fasync
0xC00ACA6C (0xC00AC8BC + 0x000001B0) mouse_interrupt
0xC0044798 (0xC0044704 + 0x00000094) amiga_do_irq_list
0xC00E142C (0xC00E1284 + 0x000001A8) amifb_interrupt
0xC0045B90 (0xC0045B2C + 0x00000064) process_int
0xC0142090 (0xC0142080 + 0x00000010) apus_process_int
0xC000E2F4 (0xC000E2AC + 0x00000048) apus_do_IRQ
0xC0006700 (0xC00066C0 + 0x00000040) do_IRQ
0xC0003C98 (0xC0003B04 + 0x00000194) _switch

0xC0012F48 (0xC0012E9C + 0x000000AC) update_process_times
0xC00132D4 (0xC0012F60 + 0x00000374) timer_bh
0xC001BB24 (0xC001BAA4 + 0x00000080) do_bottom_half
0xC0003D00 (0xC0003CE0 + 0x00000020) lost_irq_ret

Ken.

[ linux-apus-Bugs-411221 ] Kernel Panic

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #411221, was updated on 2001-03-25 14:03
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Category: 2.4 Kernel
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Kernel Panic

Initial Comment:
When I start Linux, I get this message:

Kernel Panic: kernel access of bad area: pc c00c9274
lr c00c9268 address 70 tsk hwclock/18

My system: A1200 68k 040/PPC 603e, 64Mb RAM

I have installed the latest boothacks, kernel, and
other stuff. All the RPM's from LinuxPPC.org from 
the "stable" directory. 

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Comment By: Alan buxey (alanbuxey)
Date: 2001-05-17 08:40

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which kernel image are you using? What is your bootstrap
line?
can you send the results of 'dmesg' from under AmigaOS after
adding   '-d debug=mem' to your bootstrap line?



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Comment By: Michel Daenzer (mdaenzer)
Date: 2001-03-26 02:48

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Does this still happen if you move

/lib/modules/2.4.2/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.o

out of the way? If yes, there's probably a bug in the RTC 
(real time clock) code.


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[ linux-apus-Bugs-417987 ] PCMCIA Ethernet + Kernel 2.4.x = false

[<no...@so...>]

Bugs item #417987, was updated on 2001-04-22 04:05
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: PCMCIA Ethernet + Kernel 2.4.x = false

Initial Comment:
When trying to use any of the precompiled Linux/APUS
Kernels which are avaible for download from here, the
Kernel just stopps and looks for the Ethernet card.

While using one of the older Kernels (2.2.x),
everything works fine except that I can't use
BlizzPPC-SCSI and Ethernet at the same time.

Here is my dmesg output:

>>>start>>>
Total memory = 63MB; using 0kB for hash table (at 00000000)
Linux version 2.4.2 (michdaen@pismo) (gcc version 2.95.3
20010219 (prerelease)) #66 Thu Mar 15 18:29:35 CET 2001
Amiga hardware found: [A1200] VIDEO BLITTER AUDIO FLOPPY
A1200_IDE KEYBOARD MOUSE SERIAL PARALLEL A2000_CLK CHIP_RAM
PAULA LISA ALICE_PAL PCMCIA ZORRO
On node 0 totalpages: 16256
zone(0): 16256 pages.
zone(1): 0 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda3 debug=mem nobat 60nsram
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 1
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 3
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 4
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 5
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 7
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 2
amiga_enable_irq: Trying to enable auto-vector IRQ 6
APUS: BATs=1, BUS=67MHz, RAM=60ns, PCI bridge=0
time_init: decrementer frequency = 16.504254 MHz
Console: colour dummy device 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 109.77 BogoMIPS
Memory: 61124k available (1688k kernel code, 788k data,
264k
init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536
bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096
bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536
bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768
bytes)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Zorro: Probing AutoConfig expansion devices: 1 device
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Starting kswapd v1.8
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x25
fb0: Amiga AGA frame buffer device, using 1280K of
video memory
clgen: Driver for Cirrus Logic based graphic boards, v1.9.8
 Couldn't find PCI device
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
block: queued sectors max/low 40496kB/13498kB, 128
slots per
queue
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024
blocksize
loop: enabling 8 loop devices
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes;
override
with idebus=xx
ide0: Gayle IDE interface (A1200 style)
hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM2550A, ATA DISK drive
hdb: QUANTUM FIREBALL1280A, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 80da0000 on irq 0x0000000c
hda: 5008752 sectors (2564 MB) w/76KiB Cache,
CHS=4969/16/63
hdb: 2503872 sectors (1282 MB) w/83KiB Cache,
CHS=2484/16/63
Partition check:
 hda: RDSK hda1 hda2 hda3
 hdb: RDSK hdb1 hdb2
FD: probing units
found <5>fd: drive 0 didn't identify, setting default
ffffffff
fd0
Looking for PCMCIA ethernet card
:
<<<<end<<<<


I don't know if this helps anything when conserning
about the 2.2.x problem with BlizzPPC-SCSI and Ethernet:

---start---
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:19:21 +0200
From: Ignatios Souvatzis <is...@ne...>
To: por...@ne...
Subject: BlizzardPPC scsi, anyone?

Hi,

it was pointed out to me that anything necessary to
build a BlizzardPPC scsi
frontent driver to our siop driver can be deduced from
looking at the Linux
code, especially:


        - Zorro ID are 8512/110 (we knew that), BUT
        - base address is 0xf40000, not the one from
Amiga AutoConfig(tm)
        - interupt line is the "ports" interupt (ipl 2)
        - chip is a 53c710
        - scsi clock is 50 MHz.

If anybody want to make this into a driver (you need
the Amiga siop, not the
siop2), please do -- you can mostly steal the structure
of the cbiiisc, but
using the 53c710 calls and includes (like drscsi.c).

Else, if anybody would run alpha tests, speak up, too.

Regards,
        Ignatios
----end----


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Comment By: Alan buxey (alanbuxey)
Date: 2001-05-17 08:39

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does this problem still appear with the 2.4.4 kernel ?

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Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Alan Buxey wrote:

> > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly
> > do we have?
> 
> well, if we need the following
> 
> s:startup-sequence  - a few bytes...
> libs:ppc.library   (for powerup - not needed for A1200, but for a3k/a4k
>                     a1200 has this in ROM)
> *or* we go with WarpUP....which ever has the smallest libraries
> envarc:  a few bytes of required env: variables for WarpUP (if used)
> the boot tool   (eg one i'm working on.....) tens of K
>                          could be compressed (eg with stonecracker) if
>                          needed)
> bootstrap + the bootstrap_pup or bootstrap_wup  - 100's of k's
> 
> How much fits onto one 880K formatted disk, i cant recall, its been so
> long....is it 856k?
> 
> I can see the kernel needing to be ~500k ....nasty....could 2.2.10 get
> this small?

I doubt it.

Brainstorming:

We could throw out _all_ disk drivers except that for the floppy; everything
else would have to be loaded as modules. This brings it down to 660K. OTOH the
modules will take lots of space; is there some kind of limit, e.g. from the
ramdisk size?

We could make one floppy with just the kernel on it and another one which
boots, copies everything to RAM: and... you get the idea.


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CS student, Free Software enthusiast   \        XFree86 and DRI project member

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> We could make one floppy with just the kernel on it and another one which
> boots, copies everything to RAM: and... you get the idea.

yes, that may have to be the way....

disk1:bootstrap -k disk2:vmlinux.gz    type-stuff
 
alan

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > I don't think this is feasible as some people won't have anything connected 
> > to their AGA output. Right now all the Amiga framebuffer devices are in.
> 
> agreed - a lot of people either dont have a monitor that can 'do' the AGA
> modes (even the 29.xHz VGA thing) , others dont have scan-doublers or TV's
> handy (if they've got a modulator).

Note that `vga' and `vga70' in Linux/amifb are real 31 kHz modes, not the
`approximating' stuff from AmigaOS.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

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when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
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Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> You mean our test ramdisk.image.gz ? I asked eons ago if we should convert it 
> to ext2, if it's still Minix we should do that now. We could use it as a 
> rescue or other fancy stuff with a current glibc etc.

yep, dropping minix will cleave a small lump off the kernel.
 
> I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly do 
> we have?

well, if we need the following

s:startup-sequence  - a few bytes...
libs:ppc.library   (for powerup - not needed for A1200, but for a3k/a4k
                    a1200 has this in ROM)
*or* we go with WarpUP....which ever has the smallest libraries
envarc:  a few bytes of required env: variables for WarpUP (if used)
the boot tool   (eg one i'm working on.....) tens of K
                         could be compressed (eg with stonecracker) if
                         needed)
bootstrap + the bootstrap_pup or bootstrap_wup  - 100's of k's

How much fits onto one 880K formatted disk, i cant recall, its been so
long....is it 856k?


I can see the kernel needing to be ~500k ....nasty....could 2.2.10 get
this small?

alan

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> I don't think this is feasible as some people won't have anything connected 
> to their AGA output. Right now all the Amiga framebuffer devices are in.

agreed - a lot of people either dont have a monitor that can 'do' the AGA
modes (even the 29.xHz VGA thing) , others dont have scan-doublers or TV's
handy (if they've got a modulator).

recovering/installing etc is bad enough..without having to
unplug/digaround etc for a display device...


of course, if it were my choice I'd say ditch all gfx and we'll go for
serial-output - after all, everyone should have a vt100 terminal  8-)

alan

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> BTW if we could use bzip2, we'd be all set already:

this is a weakness of 'bootstrap', yes?
 
alan

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> > > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space e=
xactly
> > > do we have?
> >=20
> > IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all us=
e FFS
> > these days it (at least the kernel) should fit. And don't use DC-FFS =
since
> > it will waste^H^H^H^H^Hconsume even more diskspace.
>=20
> :) AFAIR FFS gives the full 880K minus a few?
>=20
> BTW if we could use bzip2, we'd be all set already:
>=20
> michdaen@pismo> du -sk vmapus.bz2                           ~/src/apus-=
cvs/2.4
> 776	vmapus.bz2

Has no one added bzip2 support to zlib yet?

However, the increased size of zlib may offset the decreased size of the
kernel.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m6=
8k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. =
But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like=
 that.
							    -- Linus Torvalds

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly
> > do we have?
> 
> IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all use FFS
> these days it (at least the kernel) should fit. And don't use DC-FFS since
> it will waste^H^H^H^H^Hconsume even more diskspace.

:) AFAIR FFS gives the full 880K minus a few?


BTW if we could use bzip2, we'd be all set already:

michdaen@pismo> du -sk vmapus.bz2                           ~/src/apus-cvs/2.4
776	vmapus.bz2


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Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exact=
ly do=20
> we have?

IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all use FF=
S
these days it (at least the kernel) should fit. And don't use DC-FFS sinc=
e it
will waste^H^H^H^H^Hconsume even more diskspace.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m6=
8k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. =
But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like=
 that.
							    -- Linus Torvalds

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Sven LUTHER wrote:

> But, we definitively need 2 batches of kernels, since i suppose some gu=
ys
> would want the networking stuff also. They can use the non floppy versi=
on
> though.


Can't they use the modules? I'd really like to have a single .config,=20
otherwise maintenance is a nightmare.


>>Is this small enough? I guess I could squeeze out a few more K...
>>
>>Do we need support for foreign partition maps?
>=20
> not really, they could be modules.


No they can't. I've removed anything but Amiga, I think those who really =
need=20
something else should build their own kernels.


> Also do you have pm2fb and co in there ? maybe this 880 ko kernels woul=
d be

only for aga, this way we have only 1 possible video=3D mode in the amibo=
ot
script. Other modes can be choosen later on.

I don't think this is feasible as some people won't have anything connect=
ed

to their AGA output. Right now all the Amiga framebuffer devices are in.



--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)    \   Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) de=
veloper
CS student, Free Software enthusiast   \        XFree86 and DRI project m=
ember

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Alan Buxey wrote:

>>>Do we need Minix fs support yet?
>>>
>>Not for installation.
>=20
> the ramdisk image no longer uses MiniFS? if so minifs could be dropped
> ages ago.


You mean our test ramdisk.image.gz ? I asked eons ago if we should conver=
t it=20
to ext2, if it's still Minix we should do that now. We could use it as a=20
rescue or other fancy stuff with a current glibc etc.


> I guess we also dont need OCS gfx support...as PowerPC cards only work =
on
> ECS and AGA systems.
> =20
> On this line of thought...sound isnt essential, neither is parallel por=
t?,
> joystick..


I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly=
 do=20
we have?


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Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)    \   Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) de=
veloper
CS student, Free Software enthusiast   \        XFree86 and DRI project m=
ember

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Ken Tyler wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> [Cc: list deleted]
> 
> > On this line of thought...sound isnt essential, neither is parallel port?,
> > joystick..
> 
> Don't think joystick compiles in 2.4

I thought I fixed that in late 2.3.x. Damned, someone broke it again?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li...

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
							    -- Linus Torvalds

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Geert U. <ge...@li...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:09:02PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > The only problem is that people might not have enough memory for both RAM: and
> > kernel/ramdisk.
> 
> huh, how much is this ? i guess most apus users have at least 8MB by now, is
> that not enough ? Let's start a query on sourceforge to have an idea ?
> 
> Or maybe we could clone the linux/m68k registry pages to say only apus and
> have them on sourceforge ? what do you think geert ?

Robert Ramiega took over maintenance of the Linux/m68k registry about 2 years
ago. However, the registry wasn't updated since Feb 2000.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li...

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
							    -- Linus Torvalds

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Ken T. <ke...@we...>]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:

[Cc: list deleted]

> On this line of thought...sound isnt essential, neither is parallel port?,
> joystick..

Don't think joystick compiles in 2.4

Ken.

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:01:33PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven
> 
> ...
> > what program are you using on the floppy disk ? I suppose that if it is the
> > same as the one you use normally, it would be dependent on warp-up. But i
> > guess warp-up is not in rom, so did you put it on the floppy also ?
> 
> I am trying to use our classic kernel loader " `bootstrap` ".   
> 
> > Did you try it with the standard powerup stuff ? Since you are booting from a
> > floppy, this should be the standard setting, is it not ?
> 
> I shall test it... 
> 
> > Could you provide us with some logs (bootstrap & dmesg) of the crashed launch
> > ? Post it to the linux-apus list please. Also the script you use for
> > launching could be usefull.
>  
> >> I am trying to understand why...
> 
> OK, i finish my tests and if i can't find solutions i will.
> 
> >> For an 880k floppy the space problem makes impossible to do it.
> >> But i wish to be contraddicted... :))
> > 
> > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> > Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big
> > hopes on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel package maintainer for
> > debian.
> 
> As rightly written by Geert Uytterhoeven is possible to join in ram the kernel
> but 
> as he also writes there maybe problems with Amigas with a small RAM amount.
> 
> > BTW, 
> > 
> > Upto now, you were able to bootstarp from the floppy disk set, 
> 
>   No... because as written on top this letter i am testing " `bootstrap` "
>   on floppy.
>      
>   and able to
> > install and configure the kernel & modules, isn't it. All this with the
> > 2.2.10 kernel. 
> 
>   Yes, also using floppy-disks.
> 
>    (btw did you solve the 2.2.19 requirement of install.sh ? did
> > you try the little patch i sent to you yesterday or the day before ?
> 
>   Right! , another thing i must put in the test's list. 
> 
> > floppies useable. You could try the networked (trough ppp) install after
> > that, but i guess this should be ok.
> 
> With ppp ? Nice...
> But i was not able to find a ppp configuration mask in the 
> network section of dbootstrap program...
> is it a new feature?

Just select the configure the network menu item, and it should ask you if
youare going to use ppp or eth, if you choose ppp, i think it will ask you for
all relevant info, and configure pppd for you (even fire up the connection
before downloading base.attar.gz). Not sure this is still so though, but i
guess it is. Nothing apus specific here thoguh.?

> I haven't found the woody's base tarball, maybe is still early,
> or maybe i have not found its right path, 
> but its path is so in ftp as in CD-ROM i think:
> 
> dists/woody/disks-powerpc/current/

yes, i think, not sure though.

Maybe there is not yet such a thing, is there a i386 one already ?

BTW, normally you should be able to build it from the archive during the boot
floppies build. It was so for potato.


Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: APUS Debian Boot-Floppies Images and bugs

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:09:02PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> > > Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big hopes
> > > on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel package maintainer for debian.
> > 
> > a small, but brief note:
> > 
> > IS there not a very very big problem with having the kernel in ram: when
> > launching?
> > 
> > joining two files up into ram: is no problem (6 lines of code max.) but
> > doesnt ram: just get completely trashed when the bootstrap loads up the
> > kernel (and thus corrupting the kernel image?)
> 
> No, the bootstrap first allocates memory for the kernel (and the ramdisk), then
> loads the image, and only then trashes the rest.
> 
> > i thought this was the case and people have to have the installer and
> > kernel on media, rather than in volatile ram:
> 
> The only problem is that people might not have enough memory for both RAM: and
> kernel/ramdisk.

huh, how much is this ? i guess most apus users have at least 8MB by now, is
that not enough ? Let's start a query on sourceforge to have an idea ?

Or maybe we could clone the linux/m68k registry pages to say only apus and
have them on sourceforge ? what do you think geert ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther