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From: James M. <lin...@li...> - 2006-06-27 10:10:57
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Greetings! Long-time no hear. It's actually embarassing when I think about just how long it has been. With the exception of the switch to PHPNuke many moons ago, there has been little externally visable change. We have added a few articles and glossary terms, but for the most part the actual content of the Tutorial has unfortunately remained fairly stagnant. That will change very soon. One of the things we added was Google Ads. Although this is not enough to live off of, it is helping to pay my hosting fees and so forth. In an effort to not only motivate people to contribute but also to be fair about these contributions, I am implementing a program where contributors to the Linux Tutorial with be able to share in the advertising revenue the site receives. Translated that means, people will get paid for their work. On the one hand, the contributors' portion won't *yet* be enough to live off of, but the site is constantly growing. We currently have almost 2 million hits a month, 40,000 unique visitors and over 4500 registered users. The program I will be implementing is not like a magazine article where you get paid a single, flat-fee once and that's it. It's more like the royalties you get from a book. The more people visit the site, the more you get. Also, the more you contribute the more you get. In addition to normal contributions, I have an editorial/administrative task. In short, it entails moving blocks of data around inside the individual articles. Although not really hard, it will take a bit of time and is tedious work. Because of the importance and scope of this job, this is separate from normal contributions and I will pay an amount proportionally larger than an article or other contribution. Keep in mind that I cannot pay all that much, but if you have a "real" job, this might not be worth your time. However, if you are a "starving student" or live in a country with a lower standard of living than western Europe or North America, then it would be a way to earn a bit. This job does require a moderate understanding of Linux. This is "cut-n-paste" type work, but you will need to be able to compare two pieces of text and identify them as being the same, even if they are phrased differently. I would like to get this project going, so I don't want to wait forever. Howevers registered members of the Sourceforge project, I wanted to give you all the chance first. If I do not hear anything by next Monday, I will make the offer to the members of the Linux Tutorial. If you are interested, please let me know and we can discuss the details. Please do not agree to do it unless you know you can actually finish. If you have limited time want to do some of it, then I can break it into smaller chunks. If you would like to invest in the future of the Linux Tutorial, then I can arrange that you share in the advertising revenue over a longer period. You would end up with more money, but spread out over a longer period. Volunteers are also welcome. Regards, Jim Mohr -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- The Linux Tutorial needs your help! Visit us at http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-04-13 08:51:13
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Hi All! I have an editing tasks that I would like to hand off to someone. It requires a bit of HTML knowledge, but is very simple. I have been given permission to use David Rusling document on the Linux Kernel and it needs a little work to fit into the current format. I have already broken it down into small files, but most of the section headings still have the numbering from David's original document. Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested. There are a few dozen pages that need to be chagned, so there is enough work for more than one person. Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: Hal F. G. <hal...@ur...> - 2003-01-19 16:41:03
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Well because we are using XML and the whole project is very modular we can do it one of a few ways. I think the pdf idea is most likley the best because everyone supports PDFs. Although it would not be dynamic it would have to be a static file. We could an interface in Java and the back end in XML as it is and then the Java would be just like they had been viewing it on the web and it can still be dynamic. THoughts? Hal ---- On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, James Mohr (lin...@ji...) wrote: > Hi All! > > Since I got the rights back to my books, I have been thinking about putting > the material together as a single package so that it can be installed on > other machines without having to deal with the data files, cgi scripts, etc. > This means a number of major changes. > > The first question is whether or not this makes sense to do it. Since the site > went online I have received a number of request to provide the material on a > CD, PDF, tarball, etc. Since I had the licensing problem, I couldn't before. > Now I can. When we package linkbat (not if), it needs to be easy to install. > Obviously, with single pages with no cgi, the user can simply drag and drop > it into a filesystem to view it (even on Windows). > > This means two sets of code, one for the web and one for the "package". At the > very least we need to expand the code to allow (maybe by passing arguments to > the sub-routines, telling it to create it for the web or for a "package". > > We obviously need the code to create the pages. The existing code was designed > to present it dynamically on the web. However, the functionality is there. It > need to be modularized so that each function delivers single pieces of > information. Next, we need the mechanisms that creates the completed page set > so that that can be accessed easly. This means creating the menus, glossary > and more info pages, etc. > > The other alternative is to package the existing code in a way that they can > easily install it on their own site. It is already pretty modularized and > there are just a few places where you need to make path changes: At the very > least there is just a single config file that needs to be modified. > > However, I would still like to eventually make the entire site available as a > PDF (i.e a book). That would require the same code (plus some) to strip out > or convert all of the HTML elements. > > There are obviously a lot more questions to answer, but I am trying to get a > feel for what direction to go. What do the rest of you think? > > Regards, > > Jim > > -- > --------------------------------------- > "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your > character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others > think you are." -- John Wooden > --------------------------------------- > Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com - A 128-bit supercerts will > allow you to extend the highest allowed 128 bit encryption to all your > clients even if they use browsers that are limited to 40 bit encryption. > Get a guide here:http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0030en > _______________________________________________ > Linkbat-everyone mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linkbat-everyone > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com - A 128-bit supercerts will > allow you to extend the highest allowed 128 bit encryption to all your > clients even if they use browsers that are limited to 40 bit encryption. > Get a guide here:http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0030en > _______________________________________________ > Linkbat-devel mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linkbat-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en _______________________________________________ Linkbat-everyone mailing list Lin...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linkbat-everyone |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-01-18 07:48:04
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Hi All! Since I got the rights back to my books, I have been thinking about putting the material together as a single package so that it can be installed on other machines without having to deal with the data files, cgi scripts, etc. This means a number of major changes. The first question is whether or not this makes sense to do it. Since the site went online I have received a number of request to provide the material on a CD, PDF, tarball, etc. Since I had the licensing problem, I couldn't before. Now I can. When we package linkbat (not if), it needs to be easy to install. Obviously, with single pages with no cgi, the user can simply drag and drop it into a filesystem to view it (even on Windows). This means two sets of code, one for the web and one for the "package". At the very least we need to expand the code to allow (maybe by passing arguments to the sub-routines, telling it to create it for the web or for a "package". We obviously need the code to create the pages. The existing code was designed to present it dynamically on the web. However, the functionality is there. It need to be modularized so that each function delivers single pieces of information. Next, we need the mechanisms that creates the completed page set so that that can be accessed easly. This means creating the menus, glossary and more info pages, etc. The other alternative is to package the existing code in a way that they can easily install it on their own site. It is already pretty modularized and there are just a few places where you need to make path changes: At the very least there is just a single config file that needs to be modified. However, I would still like to eventually make the entire site available as a PDF (i.e a book). That would require the same code (plus some) to strip out or convert all of the HTML elements. There are obviously a lot more questions to answer, but I am trying to get a feel for what direction to go. What do the rest of you think? Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com - A 128-bit supercerts will allow you to extend the highest allowed 128 bit encryption to all your clients even if they use browsers that are limited to 40 bit encryption. Get a guide here:http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0030en _______________________________________________ Linkbat-everyone mailing list Lin...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linkbat-everyone |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-01-14 17:00:11
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Hi All! I just wanted to let you know that my publisher has agreed to return the rights to my books. Therefore, I can do anything I want with the material. It will take a couple of weeks for their legal department to create the letter and send it to me, but I editor said to go ahead with whatever plans I have. I am still debating the actual license that I am going to use, but it will definately be an open source-like license. Regards, Jim Mohr -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-01-13 16:36:45
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Hi All! For those who have not contacted me since the new year, could you please do so and provide me a status. I have the feeling that some people are of busy with other projects. That fine, but I would like to know so that I can plan better. Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-01-12 08:20:58
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Hi Brent! Thanks for the update. The DMA section will go nicely with what I have been working on. I have been converting David Rusling's document on the Linux kernel to the tutorial format, adding links, glossary pop-up, etc. It will be nice to have something from someone else. By the way, when you finish the documents, be sure to tell me the license you wish to use. If you have any questions about that, just let me know. Regards, Jim Mohr On Sunday 12 January 2003 05:13, Brent B. wrote: > Hello Jim, > > I've been working on a pair of documents for the "Common problems" section. > One is about installing drivers provided by ATi and NVIDIA, and is almost > finished. The other is about enabling DMA on IDE devices, which is often > times neglected, resulting in maddeningly choppy video playing and slow > preformance on well-spec'd machines. It is in its intial stages. I hope to > have the driver doc done by next week, and the DMA doc sometime after that. > > Hope the development goes well! > > Brent Bradbury > bb...@ya... -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2003-01-01 09:56:02
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Hello Everyone! I want to wish everyone a happy and prosperous 2003! My goal for the start of 2003 is to implement the technical changes to linkbat and the Linux Tutorial as much and as quickly as possible, as well as add a lot of new content. I have received a lot of positive email in last two months about how much people have how useful the tutorial is and how much they learned. That encourages a great deal me to work hard to expand the functionality and features. As soon as you get out of the holiday mind-set (such as getting back to school or back to work), I would appreaciate everyone who has a specific tasks or who had been working on something drop me a line to let me know the status. Regards, Jim Mohr -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Linkbat-everyone mailing list Lin...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linkbat-everyone |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-12-08 17:41:27
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Hi All! Apparently there is some confusion about the licensing and copyright for the tutorial and linkbat project, in general. As you may or may not know, the majority of the content first appeared in my book "Linux User's Resource" and therefore falls within my contract and I am legally prohibited from "publishing" it without the permission of my publisher. They gave me permission to provide it on the web site, but that is all I can do legally until my publisher gives me the rights back or allows me to release it under some other license. I have no choice in the matter, as I am legally bound by this contract. However, I am working hard to get the rights back or permission to release it under a public license. Since the publisher said the book would not be re-published, my editor said it should not be a problem. It **should** be just a matter of time and I will make it available under a GPL-like license. However, all of the stuff that was not included in the book and all material from other people is not covered by that contract. I understand your concerns about working on a project where (currently) much of the material cannot be made freely available. Not to dimish your concerns, I want to say that the key is providing the information to others and not necessarily allowing them to copy the files. That is, it is the teaching others about Linux that is the goal of this site. Still, I am working on getting the right back to make the material freely available. Also keep in mind the difference between a copyright and a license. The copyright basically says that you are the creator of the material and nothing about who can use it for what purposes. I am the copyright holder of the material, but I am still prohibited from publishing it because of the licensing agreement. Simply stating that a document you right is copyrighted by you is generally sufficient. However, this says nothings about the license. Another thing is that all of the "data", such as the questions and answers, "Did You Know?", More Info, as well as the code will all be open source. Also, all new materal that I provide will be available under the GNU Free Documentation License (www.fsf.org/licenses/fdl.html). The two sections I wrote "Working with the System" and "Easing the Transition" consist of material that is licensed by the GFDL. The display code allows for different licenses as well as multiple authors and therefore multiple licenses for any page. I want to be able to give each author the freedom to choose under which license their material is released and not force them to release it under something that I chose. For the editors and researchers this is less of an issue, as they are not producing documentation. However, it effects them directly as they are working on material that may have a restricted license. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or you need clarification on anything I talked about Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-12-01 09:48:47
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On Sunday 01 December 2002 03:33, sco...@wi... wrote: > Sample Problems: > "I type startx but I get a "No Screens Found!" error and it doesn't start!" > Xfree86 must first be configured before it can be run, even with a smooth > install behind you. Otherwise you will get a "No Screens Found" error. > "I can't get Windoze to boot correctly, but linux boots fine, what's up?" > In a Dual boot, Windoze usually requires /dev/hda1 to fuction correctly, > and lilo must also be installed to /dev/hda to function correctly. > Otherwise, you will get a kernel panic or a failure to load. (etc...I > phrased this one badly but you get the picture.) Great!!! The only thing that bugs me here is the phrasing (as you mentioned), but that ain't no big deal. Something like "'No Screens Found' error is usually caused by incorrect Xfree86 configuration." It's a statement of fact, thus making it a concept KU. "Windoze usually requires /dev/hda1 to allow mulit-booting correctly." However, that's exactly that kind of thing I was thinking about (just couldn't come up with an example). Then I would say that we now have new sub-types for the Content KU. Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-30 20:04:00
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Hi All! I have been thinking that it might be useful to have sub-types for the Content KUs. For example, you could have: fact, misconception, problem. A fact, is the standard Content KU and simply makes a statement. A misconception is also a statement of fact (for the most part) but the goal is to dispell a common misconception or misunderstanding. A problem is something can cause "problems". I am having trouble thinking of examples of "problems", but I think somewhere along the line it might be useful. Comments? Regards, Jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-21 09:31:19
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Hi All! In principle it is considered bad "netiquette" to snip out portions of email, news posts, etc. without marking your reply (i.e. <snip>). However, I am not too picky and I think that in this closed group we can all accept that portions will be removed to save space and time. Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-21 09:27:43
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On Thursday 21 November 2002 07:37, Navin Dhanuka wrote: > Under OS we should also cover Kernel Internals I do a fair bit of that already. However, there is a lot more that I want to include. > Linux-Windows Integration could be names as > GNU/Linux & MS Windows You're on the right track with that, but I think it is too long. Shar Houlihan suggested "Linux & Windows". That's short and sweet. > .. Switching your OS to Linux > .... Xwindow System (Gnome, KDE) > .... Browsers, Email-Clients (Opera, Netscape, Konqueror) > .... Word Processors & Spread Sheets (OpenOffice.org) > .... Games (Doom) These are on my "wish list" of topics to cover. Also, a number of these topics will automatically fall into the topics GUI, Applications and so forth, so we need to be careful not to repeat too much. Personally, I bite my tongue when talking about games. Although I do play occassional, computers are a tool. However, we (that I) need to keep in mind that many people see that the "work" they do with computers is secondary and playing games is primary. ;-) > .. Migrating your Network to Linux > .... Linux on Server & Win on Clients > .... Linux Everywhere I think this is the big "Integration" topic. Its more than just "migration" as we need to addess issue where you **cannot** move to Linux such as applications that do not exist on Windows or others on the network that do not want to move. I have a small section on Samba (in the networking chapter) that I want to expand. However, I am still undecided as to whether to move it into the Linux-Windows chapter. Comments? > .. File Systems > .... (ext2, xt3, reiserfs, xfs) vs (fat, fat32, ntfs) Same thing as apps. I discuss the filesystem in details under the Linux chapters and don't want to repeat it here (however, I only discuss ext2 but I want to cover the others). However, a comparision of the various filesystems along with Windows is a good idea. > Pogramming > ..Shell Scriting > ..C > ..Sed/AWK I'm missing what you are getting at. Are you suggesting a whole new chapter on Programming? I like that. sed, perl and awk are under "editing files" which has bothered me from the beginning. Maybe "editing" should be expanded to include emacs and maybe so other non-GUI editors. Or maybe also the GUI editors. Hmmmm. Comments? > >This is not the same as "Users" which refers to topics related to user > >accounts (passwords, permissions, allowing remote access, etc.) > > This will go under Administration topic Exactly. > > >Please let me hear from you as soon as possible. (Please, be sure to send > >to > >the list and not just to me!) I keep forgetting that, don't I? ;-) Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-21 09:22:14
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Hi All! I know this will sound stupid. But I want to make sure that we all understand what I am talking about. When I say SF, I am referering to SourceForge. So, when I say the "task list on SF", then people know that this is the "task list on SourceForge". By the way, do people know about all the wonderful things that SF let's us keep track of like to-do tasks, bugs, feature requests, etc. I have added a lot of tasks already, although most apply to just the content writers and editors. Also many of the code tasks might become unnessary. If you are not familiar with it log into SF and take a look. Everyone is listed as a "technician" which will allow you to see the items and assign them to yourselves. (If you want). Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-21 08:51:53
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HI All! For many of you I have your SourceForge addess for the mailing list. (use...@us...) For others I have non-sourceforge addresses. Personally, I think the non-sourceforge address is better so that it does not have to get redirected. But, since the mailing list and the email addresses are all handled by SF, it shouldn't really matter. In any event, let me know which address you prefer for the mailing list and will make the necessary changes. Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: Navin D. <nav...@ms...> - 2002-11-21 06:37:19
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Hello, Under OS we should also cover Kernel Internals Linux-Windows Integration could be names as GNU/Linux & MS Windows .. Switching your OS to Linux .... Xwindow System (Gnome, KDE) .... Browsers, Email-Clients (Opera, Netscape, Konqueror) .... Word Processors & Spread Sheets (OpenOffice.org) .... Games (Doom) .. Migrating your Network to Linux .... Linux on Server & Win on Clients .... Linux Everywhere .. File Systems .... (ext2, xt3, reiserfs, xfs) vs (fat, fat32, ntfs) Pogramming ..Shell Scriting ..C ..Sed/AWK >This is not the same as "Users" which refers to topics related to user >accounts (passwords, permissions, allowing remote access, etc.) This will go under Administration topic >Please let me hear from you as soon as possible. (Please, be sure to send >to >the list and not just to me!) College lab will be off for 4-5 days, I will mail my complete list of topics , subtopics after that. Thanks..!! Navin Dhanuka _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-20 09:11:51
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On Wednesday 20 November 2002 08:53, Shar Houlihan wrote: > I have a suggestion to make. This suggestion is not based on a lot of > knowledge as I am in the process of learning about linkbat and xml. > > Networking > Operating System > Administration > Working with the System > Users > Hardware > Troubleshooting > Security > Linux-Windows Integration > > Linux-Windows Integration - Integration means a joining. I suggest > 'Migrating to Linux' or 'Migrating to Linux from Windows' Validate point. That is tough call. There are other topics such as SAMBA or dual booting which I would want to list under this topic. So in that regard, it is "intergration". On the other hand, issues like "making Linux more Windows-like" is not really integration. So, we seem to be caught in the middle. I don't want two topics (i.e. Intergration and Migration), but I want one that is clear what it means. Simply "Linux-Windows" is unclear, in my mind. "Linux-Windows Cooperation"? Anyone got a thesaurus handy? Regards, jim -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |
From: Shar H. <sh...@cy...> - 2002-11-20 07:52:13
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Hi,=20 I have a suggestion to make. This suggestion is not based on a lot of = knowledge as I am in the process of learning about linkbat and xml. Networking Operating System Administration Working with the System Users Hardware Troubleshooting Security Linux-Windows Integration Linux-Windows Integration - Integration means a joining. I suggest = 'Migrating to Linux' or 'Migrating to Linux from Windows' Sharr |
From: James M. <lin...@ji...> - 2002-11-19 09:59:38
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Hi All! I would like some input about standard topics. Here are the ones that I came up with (in no special order): Networking Operating System Administration Working with the System Users Hardware Troubleshooting Security Linux-Windows Integration These are "related" to the chapter headings within the tutorial but not identical. Chapter headings tend to be more "wordy". Plus a single chapter can relate to multiple topics, plus a single topic could be spread across multiple chapters. I would like to have the list of topics as simple as possible, but cover the most important topics. I am pretty happy with this list, although "Linux-Windows Integration" **might** be a little too much. However, we must keep our audience in mind. There will be a lot of people who are moving from Windows to Linux and need information about integration, easing the transition, and so on. The term "integration" is not necessarily the best choice, so I am open to suggestions. Another one is "Working with the System". This refers to issue related to working with the system (what else), like shells, X-Windows, logging in, etc. This is not the same as "Users" which refers to topics related to user accounts (passwords, permissions, allowing remote access, etc.) Please let me hear from you as soon as possible. (Please, be sure to send to the list and not just to me!) Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info |