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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-03 13:40:07
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Everyone, lea...@li... and lea...@li... are now available. -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-03 02:01:32
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At 06:15 PM 11/2/00 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: >On 2 Nov 2000, at 15:24, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Are the packages in lrp.c0wz.com/files/packages/ddout/incoming > > directory ready for prime time? > >As far as I know. I didn't put them there :) > >I think Rick got tired of trying to keep up with me - hey, I've even >got some more packages for him now :) David, Why don't you setup a directory on the Leaf Anoymous FTP directory for your packages. Charles was able to rsync his files to the Leaf site real quick. -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-03 01:48:20
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At 02:59 PM 11/2/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: >At 11:14 AM 11/2/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: > >Everyone, > >I just finished releasing EigerStein and Oxygen images to the files > >area. Please, let me know if I missed any. > >Mike -- A couple of details. > >1. The extension .ima (as in Oxygen_2000_img_extras.ima) is not recognized >by the Sourceforge Web server as binary; neither is .img (as in >EigerStein_contrib_img_pppoe-beta0.2.img). In both instance, my Netscape >on Windows tries to display it as text. You might want to get a list of >the binary mime-types Sourceforge recognizes and restrict image names to >choices that end in a binary type. I was aware of the mime problems. SF didn't set the Apache default mime type to application/octet-stream. I guess I'll gzip them. Setting the file type doesn't seem to do anything. >2. There are, of course, no LRP 2.9.8 images here yet. I imagine you just >want to use Dave's images, warts and all (mainly, his buggy and >underdocumented network.conf) ... you might choose to make do with 4 -- >the 2 1440s and the two 1680s. I'm going to upload them later tonight or tomorrow, but they will be in a single tarball. >3. I tried a couple of downloads and gave up in disgust. Speed was aroung >10 kb (that's b for bits, not B for bytes)/sec. -- ridiculous for a >high-end download site. Its been having problems the last few days. It looks like the SF staff is fixing it. If you think its bad now you should have seen it two days ago. :( -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-03 01:38:02
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At 08:33 AM 11/2/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >At 05:38 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >>At 05:05 PM 10/31/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >>>This is a test to verify that GeoCrawler is still archiving list traffic >>>after changing "who can view the subscription list" to "list admin only". >> >>TEST 2: Mailman Parameter Change >>Send monthly password reminders or no? NO > >TEST 3: Mailman Parameter Change >Restrict posting privilege to list members? >member_posting_only=yes > >If anyone starts having their messages held for approval, I'll revert to >the previous setting. This just failed. I've reverted to member_posting_only=no until I figure out what's wrong. BTW, did anyone else notice the four messages that posted 24hrs late? -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: David D. <ss...@ma...> - 2000-11-03 00:17:22
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On 2 Nov 2000, at 15:24, Mike Noyes wrote: > Are the packages in lrp.c0wz.com/files/packages/ddout/incoming > directory ready for prime time? As far as I know. I didn't put them there :) I think Rick got tired of trying to keep up with me - hey, I've even got some more packages for him now :) -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware ddo...@me... |
From: David D. <ss...@ma...> - 2000-11-03 00:13:03
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On 2 Nov 2000, at 11:14, Mike Noyes wrote: > Pardon me if I've asked this before. Are your packages specific to > Oxygen, or are they 2.9.x generic? They wont work with EigerStein, > correct? As far as I know, they'll work under anything, though some might be Linux kernel 2.2 specific - I know dhclient is that way, as is the firewall I'm working on (which requires ipchains). Most things should be generic though. However, the packages often don't have *.help or *.version files in them - this may cause problems with lrpkg. This makes me think: on my 2.9.7 (or 2.9.8) setup, there doesn't seem to be a lrpkg anywhere. Where is it? -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware ddo...@me... |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 23:28:23
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David, Are the packages in lrp.c0wz.com/files/packages/ddout/incoming directory ready for prime time? -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Ray O. <ra...@co...> - 2000-11-02 22:56:27
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At 11:14 AM 11/2/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >Everyone, >I just finished releasing EigerStein and Oxygen images to the files area. >Please, let me know if I missed any. Mike -- A couple of details. 1. The extension .ima (as in Oxygen_2000_img_extras.ima) is not recognized by the Sourceforge Web server as binary; neither is .img (as in EigerStein_contrib_img_pppoe-beta0.2.img). In both instance, my Netscape on Windows tries to display it as text. You might want to get a list of the binary mime-types Sourceforge recognizes and restrict image names to choices that end in a binary type. 2. There are, of course, no LRP 2.9.8 images here yet. I imagine you just want to use Dave's images, warts and all (mainly, his buggy and underdocumented network.conf) ... you might choose to make do with 4 -- the 2 1440s and the two 1680s. 3. I tried a couple of downloads and gave up in disgust. Speed was aroung 10 kb (that's b for bits, not B for bytes)/sec. -- ridiculous for a high-end download site. -- ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA ra...@co... ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 19:17:44
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Everyone, I just finished releasing EigerStein and Oxygen images to the files area. Please, let me know if I missed any. David, Pardon me if I've asked this before. Are your packages specific to Oxygen, or are they 2.9.x generic? They wont work with EigerStein, correct? -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 19:03:10
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At 08:52 AM 11/2/00 -0500, Rick Onanian wrote: >Per Gustav Ousdal wrote: > > > It would be easier to do that, just modify it with a less > > > crack-inspired init, than it would be to come up with a whole > > > new version based on Slackware. > > > > Ok, good. I think you should do that. That shouldn't be to much work > > should it? Make a base image (like I mentioned in the post to > > Charles) > >I should track down the package - I'm pretty sure there is one >already, possibly created by David Douthitt (although I know he >has a rc.lrp that's not related). There is a Slackware 4.0 derived embedded distribution here: http://www.emjembedded.com/linux/wdlinux.html -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Rick O. <ri...@ma...> - 2000-11-02 16:37:19
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David Douthitt wrote: > > What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I had all sorts of bad and > > good experiences, but I enjoyed the challenge always. > > Bah. I LIKED DOS..... simple, not quite elegant :) Now we have all > these confounded DLLs, font folders that act funny, and programming > is a nightmare with a minimal compiler setup taking more space than a > full DOS install! Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed DOS thoroughly. It was that I bought a Packard Bell that I had bad experiences. ;) > Pooh. I liked CP/M too - just WATCH me run a CP/M emulator under > Linux somewhere - or maybe I should get that PDP-11 emulator going > with RSTS/E...... now THERE'S some packages for LRP.... pdp11.lrp :) > cpm80.lrp :) rstse.lrp :) When I was in high school, one of the teachers found an ancient laptop that ran CP/M. It ran off of C cell batteries. Very nice indeed, I enjoyed Wordstar on it, and took notes in classes with it. One day, in Biology class, I noticed the room seemed to be a bit hazy. I also noticed that emenating from my backpack seemed to be smoke - actually, I just noticed that it was more concentrated there. I took out the laptop, and although I didn't see any smoke coming from it, pieces were melted, and the batteries were excessively hot. That was the end of that. Too bad, it was nice. > rc.lrp is the NEW shell coming out of AT&T's Plan 9 project, the > supposed successor to UNIX. rc is cute, and MUCH smaller than > anything else - smaller than ash.... by about 30K, if I remember > right. Yep, I just didn't feel like explaining the whole thing. :) > Busybox does offer a lean, stripped down init with a uniq inittab; > they also have some sort of deal where busybox can act as /linuxrc (I > don't understand that either...) You misunderstood what we were talking about, due to laziness on our part. We were speaking of /etc/rc.d/ vs. /etc/init.d/ + /etc/rc0.d/ + /etc/rc1.d/...->/etc/rc6.d/, not of the binary /sbin/init. I'd swear that you or somebody else did a package or some such for this only a few months ago. > -- > David Douthitt > UNIX Systems Administrator > HP-UX, Linux, Unixware > ddo...@me... -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 ri...@ma... (work) th...@ps... (home) Help with LRP: lrp.c0wz.com 68 Camaro wanted: dingo.mcrnet.net Windows users: Please delete me from your contact list when done corresponding with me. You should trim your contact list often anyway. My opinions don't exist, and as such, are not anyone elses. I don't represent anyone, not even myself, and especially not my employer.. |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 16:36:43
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At 05:38 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >At 05:05 PM 10/31/00 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >>This is a test to verify that GeoCrawler is still archiving list traffic >>after changing "who can view the subscription list" to "list admin only". > >TEST 2: Mailman Parameter Change >Send monthly password reminders or no? NO TEST 3: Mailman Parameter Change Restrict posting privilege to list members? member_posting_only=yes If anyone starts having their messages held for approval, I'll revert to the previous setting. -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 16:06:12
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At 09:36 AM 11/2/00 -0500, Rick Onanian wrote: >Mike Noyes wrote: > > Rick, > > It looks like you sent this to the wrong list. > >Aw, crap...automatic reflex. > >Now there's the perfect argument for making the list fix the reply-to >automatically; this isn't the first time I've done that. I erase the >origianl sender's name from the "To:", and replace it with the list; >one can only hope that I remember to put the _correct_ list. I may change this, but I still have to resolve a problem first. I want to set the devel list to member_posting_only=yes. If Reply-To munging is on messages from people with different From and Reply-To addresses are held for approval. I going to try it with munging off to see if it fixes that problem. > > BTW, you're in rare form > > this morning. Two laughs in two messages. :) > >Eh? Which laughs? I try to make fun where I can, although lately >I've been feeling a bit down when at work (where I send from). I >think our air is getting stale, and we don't have good ventilation. Sorry to hear that. Here is one of the ones that made me chuckle. I couldn't find the other one. :( At 08:52 AM 11/2/00 -0500, Rick Onanian wrote: >Per Gustav Ousdal wrote: > > I am sure! And I sure hope I don't offend anyone with my "style", > > notice I use a lot of :) and ;) > >It is required, to make up for the lack of inflection and facial >expressions, to express yourself correctly. Most people don't use >enough emotion in their text. You'll notice that I also heavily >use emoticons and emotions of all sorts, much of the time. > >In the event that anyone is offended by the use of smileys or <G>s, >may I respectfully suggest you go to hell and die. ;) -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: David D. <ss...@ma...> - 2000-11-02 15:34:39
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On 2 Nov 2000, at 8:52, Rick Onanian wrote: > Per Gustav Ousdal wrote: > > > above. ;) My own experience started with a Packard Bell in 1992. My > > > original experience started in DOS. > > > > Boy! And you still use computers? I mean that didn't put you off ;) > > What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I had all sorts of bad and > good experiences, but I enjoyed the challenge always. Bah. I LIKED DOS..... simple, not quite elegant :) Now we have all these confounded DLLs, font folders that act funny, and programming is a nightmare with a minimal compiler setup taking more space than a full DOS install! Pooh. I liked CP/M too - just WATCH me run a CP/M emulator under Linux somewhere - or maybe I should get that PDP-11 emulator going with RSTS/E...... now THERE'S some packages for LRP.... pdp11.lrp :) cpm80.lrp :) rstse.lrp :) > > > It would be easier to do that, just modify it with a less > > > crack-inspired init, than it would be to come up with a whole > > > new version based on Slackware. > > > > Ok, good. I think you should do that. That shouldn't be to much work > > should it? Make a base image (like I mentioned in the post to Charles) > > I should track down the package - I'm pretty sure there is one > already, possibly created by David Douthitt (although I know he > has a rc.lrp that's not related). rc.lrp is the NEW shell coming out of AT&T's Plan 9 project, the supposed successor to UNIX. rc is cute, and MUCH smaller than anything else - smaller than ash.... by about 30K, if I remember right. Busybox does offer a lean, stripped down init with a uniq inittab; they also have some sort of deal where busybox can act as /linuxrc (I don't understand that either...) -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware ddo...@me... |
From: Rick O. <ri...@ma...> - 2000-11-02 14:49:07
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Mike Noyes wrote: > Rick, > It looks like you sent this to the wrong list. Aw, crap...automatic reflex. Now there's the perfect argument for making the list fix the reply-to automatically; this isn't the first time I've done that. I erase the origianl sender's name from the "To:", and replace it with the list; one can only hope that I remember to put the _correct_ list. > BTW, you're in rare form > this morning. Two laughs in two messages. :) Eh? Which laughs? I try to make fun where I can, although lately I've been feeling a bit down when at work (where I send from). I think our air is getting stale, and we don't have good ventilation. > -- > Mike Noyes > mh...@us... > http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 ri...@ma... (work) th...@ps... (home) Help with LRP: lrp.c0wz.com 68 Camaro wanted: dingo.mcrnet.net Windows users: Please delete me from your contact list when done corresponding with me. You should trim your contact list often anyway. My opinions don't exist, and as such, are not anyone elses. I don't represent anyone, not even myself, and especially not my employer.. |
From: <PBa...@ph...> - 2000-11-02 14:42:19
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Onanian [mailto:ri...@ma...] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:58 PM > To: Linux Router Project > Subject: [LRP] Re: [Leaf-devel] firewall prices??? > > > PBa...@ph... wrote: > > first, I want to apologize the off topic. > > This is the only leaf list yet. When there is a leaf-general list, > this will be on topic there. For now, this is on topic here. :) > > > I need to know how much would it cost a commercial firewall > solution (both > > hardware and implementation), equivalent to LRP 2.9.4 doing > a DMZ, some port > > forwarding, hooked up to a xDSL 256Kb connection, handling > the traffic from > > 1 local net and a remote vpn net. > > I'm not really sure what they support, but do the $100 consumer > firewall appliances do what you need? If not, anything from Cisco > or Bay is pretty dan expensive... I know! that's the figure I want to throw at him! the biggest one! :) > > > I need to throw some figures to my boss's face, when I ask > for a new raise! > > A combination of "I've saved the company this much money", "I've > made efficient use of old hardware we're getting rid of", and "I've > made our network much more secure as well as flexible" would do it, > I s'pose. :-) > he is a brave economist! talk is not enough, I must use some numbers! > > I've searched the net for it, but all I get is "call for > prices" or some > > shity firewall solutions. > > > > I'm hopping some of you knows this by heart. > > Sorry, not me. But I've at least wasted your time nicely with this > message. :) > thanks anyway > > thanks in advance. > > > > pedro > -- > rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. > > ICQ# 1590117 ri...@ma... (work) th...@ps... (home) > Help with LRP: lrp.c0wz.com 68 Camaro wanted: dingo.mcrnet.net > Windows users: Please delete me from your contact list when done > corresponding with me. You should trim your contact list often anyway. > > My opinions don't exist, and as such, are not anyone elses. I don't > represent anyone, not even myself, and especially not my employer.. > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-router maillist - lin...@li... > http://www.linuxrouter.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-router > |
From: Rick O. <ri...@ma...> - 2000-11-02 14:05:45
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Per Gustav Ousdal wrote: > > above. ;) My own experience started with a Packard Bell in 1992. My > > original experience started in DOS. > > Boy! And you still use computers? I mean that didn't put you off ;) What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I had all sorts of bad and good experiences, but I enjoyed the challenge always. > > What about the old "dead-hardware-platform" problem? > > That's not a problem! They need something useful to do with the HW. > Use it for LEAF and it won't be dead, until it stops responding to > power on. Indeed, was I smoking crack when I said that? Ever since I started using LRP, my point has always been to utilize old, dead hardware that would never see use again unless done with LRP (or now, leaf). Who the hell am I to suggest that the platform being dead should have any more or less effect than the age/uselessness? > I am sure! And I sure hope I don't offend anyone with my "style", notice I use > a lot of :) and ;) It is required, to make up for the lack of inflection and facial expressions, to express yourself correctly. Most people don't use enough emotion in their text. You'll notice that I also heavily use emoticons and emotions of all sorts, much of the time. In the event that anyone is offended by the use of smileys or <G>s, may I respectfully suggest you go to hell and die. ;) > Well, there's the idea with the install thing (se post to Charles about disk img.). > That way one could have a CD which would make an awsome toolkit to build > small systems to simply get the job done, and nothing else. > > Given enough add on packages, and a decent routine it would be incredebly > flexible, efficient and powerful! This is one scheme which has been discussed for LRP before. This, and many other good schemes, have not been implemented for any number of reasons, including such as: Lots of work to do it Lack of effort by LRP people such as myself Any downsides it has are good excuses not to make the effort Maybe as the Leaf group, we will find that we are more willing to work for ourselves, knowing that it will gain 'official' approval, than we were to do things that are renegade in nature and wouldn't be appreciated properly. > > That's where I started with Linux, maybe '93 or '94. > > Kewl, but you stuck with slack? I moved to Red Hat :/ And then soon > to SuSE. I've also looked briefly at Debian & Trustix (The latter being > Red Hat based, I simply installed and removed.) Well, on and off, Slackware was the only Linux that I knew existed for awhile; and it always felt superior to me once I found others. The install program, probably where I spent most of my Linux time, felt and looked much better than anything else I tried; the commandline, where I spent the rest of my time, was indeed quite superior, with colored ls, prompts that told you where you were, and command-line completion. Having not been an X person, preferring the commandline (at first, because I hadn't a machine powerful enough to run X, but later, just because I like it better), the earlier advantages of RH and such never affected me. I was Slackware-loyal by the time any other distribution was competitive and I was capable of fixing up other distributions to act like Slack. A personal project that I've never made the effort to realize has been to try lots of distribtuions, and in fact, lots of free OSes - in fact, I want to try them _all_. However, I have never even _begun_ to do this - I did partition my hard drive up for it when I got a brand new 27gig, but I ended up using the space for mp3s. ;) > > It would be easier to do that, just modify it with a less > > crack-inspired init, than it would be to come up with a whole > > new version based on Slackware. > > Ok, good. I think you should do that. That shouldn't be to much work > should it? Make a base image (like I mentioned in the post to Charles) I should track down the package - I'm pretty sure there is one already, possibly created by David Douthitt (although I know he has a rc.lrp that's not related). > I personaly like the leaf-project.org as well. Nothing wrong with > having more domains pointing in the same direction either. > Let me know what you think. The only things wrong with lots of domains: Cost $$$ Possible confusion among users Really, the way to do it is to choose one to use as the main domain name, to be listed everywhere (we _DO_ need the same domain name to be listed in all listings), then have each extra applicable domain name point to a mirror. For example: leaf-router.org -> leaf.sourceforge.net leaf-project.org -> leaf.c0wz.com leaf-firewall.org -> leaf.steinkuehler.net leafrouter.org -> some other mirror etc. I suppose leafrouter.org might already be taken by somebody named "Lea Frouter". ;-) > -- > Per Gustav Ousdal <ou...@si...> > SirCon DA, Postbox 12, 4440 Tonstad, Norway > Tlf: +47 38371111 Fax: +47 38371119 > http://www.sircon.no -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 ri...@ma... (work) th...@ps... (home) Help with LRP: lrp.c0wz.com 68 Camaro wanted: dingo.mcrnet.net Windows users: Please delete me from your contact list when done corresponding with me. 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From: <PBa...@ph...> - 2000-11-02 13:32:54
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first, I want to apologize the off topic. I need to know how much would it cost a commercial firewall solution (both hardware and implementation), equivalent to LRP 2.9.4 doing a DMZ, some port forwarding, hooked up to a xDSL 256Kb connection, handling the traffic from 1 local net and a remote vpn net. I need to throw some figures to my boss's face, when I ask for a new raise! I've searched the net for it, but all I get is "call for prices" or some shity firewall solutions. I'm hopping some of you knows this by heart. thanks in advance. pedro |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 02:52:42
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At 05:35 PM 11/1/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: >How about trying to come up with an image that actually reflects what the >project is about, instead of drawing on an irrelevant mening of "leaf" for >inspiration? The LRP logo is cute, for example, but by associating with an >irrelevant meaning of "router", I think it confuses people more than it >conveys meaning. > >The "leaf" metaphor in context means something out at the edge, at the >periphery. And unpacked, the acronym LEAF describes guarding and protecting. > >Why not something on the order of Tux in a fire helmet (at least in the >US, this helmet says "firefighter" very clearly), with a depiction of a >small network on one side, a big one on the other (nothing complicated for >that part, just a very stylized layout of lines)? > >Or the same stylized network, but with Tux in the middle, surfaced as a >brick wall? Ray thanks for the idea. I guess I'm going to have to learn how to texture map an image. >Alas, I'm not an artist either .... Neither am I, but GIMP is fun to play with. :) -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 01:32:43
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At 06:16 PM 11/1/00 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: >On 1 Nov 2000, at 14:31, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > At 09:06 PM 11/1/00 +0000, Pedro Barreto wrote: > > >mike, you've told me about the logo, you wanted something like: > > > > > >"LEAF logo. A tree branch with a leaf attached. Tux embedded on the > > >leaf. Workstations attached to the leaf fingers. Text: The Internet > > >LEAF and You." > > > > > >that's kind of difficult to create, it will end up being too big, > > >and detailed. > > > > I had a feeling it might be. > >Here is a simple-one - I think - an oversized Oak Leaf, with Tux >EMBOSSED on the leaf (no special coloring). That wouldn't be hard, >would it? A nice silver cast to the leaf would be nice. > >How about a leaf on a branch shaped like Tux? > >How about a bonsai or similar mini-tree with one of the above >"leaves" attached? > >How about the embossed leaf (#1 above) gently wafting and curling in >the air? > >How about a leaf pile? Or maybe a pile of leaves or a "leafy" tree >(like an oak or maple) shaped like Tux? > >I'm good at ideas, not art :-) Thanks David. I've printed them out for use next week. -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Ray O. <ra...@co...> - 2000-11-02 01:32:18
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At 06:16 PM 11/1/00 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: ... >Here is a simple-one - I think - an oversized Oak Leaf, with Tux >EMBOSSED on the leaf (no special coloring). That wouldn't be hard, >would it? A nice silver cast to the leaf would be nice. > >How about a leaf on a branch shaped like Tux? > >How about a bonsai or similar mini-tree with one of the above >"leaves" attached? > >How about the embossed leaf (#1 above) gently wafting and curling in >the air? > >How about a leaf pile? Or maybe a pile of leaves or a "leafy" tree >(like an oak or maple) shaped like Tux? > >I'm good at ideas, not art :-) How about trying to come up with an image that actually reflects what the project is about, instead of drawing on an irrelevant mening of "leaf" for inspiration? The LRP logo is cute, for example, but by associating with an irrelevant meaning of "router", I think it confuses people more than it conveys meaning. The "leaf" metaphor in context means something out at the edge, at the periphery. And unpacked, the acronym LEAF describes guarding and protecting. Why not something on the order of Tux in a fire helmet (at least in the US, this helmet says "firefighter" very clearly), with a depiction of a small network on one side, a big one on the other (nothing complicated for that part, just a very stylized layout of lines)? Or the same stylized network, but with Tux in the middle, surfaced as a brick wall? Alas, I'm not an artist either .... -- ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA ra...@co... ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2000-11-02 01:29:08
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At 01:07 AM 11/2/00 +0100, Per Gustav Ousdal wrote: >[...] > > Supporting multiple platforms will be easier if we switch to an > > embedded distribution, or otherwise create our own cross-compile > > environment. That should allow compiling for several target machines > > from the same code base. > >Well, let's go ;) > >I'd like to see such a developer enviroment soon. You can download the MontaVista Software's Hard Hat Linux Cross Development Kit (CDK), and take a look at it. ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/1.2/ -- Mike Noyes mh...@us... http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf |
From: Per G. O. <ous...@si...> - 2000-11-02 00:42:38
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[...] > > My experince with computers started in the early eighties, I was a CBM > > 64 fan, and later migrated to AMIGA. I have most my experience from > > the AMIGA platform. And THATS what you are looking for my friend: > >From my point of view, you ARE the guy in his mid sixties mentioned > above. ;) My own experience started with a Packard Bell in 1992. My > original experience started in DOS. :D Nah, for the record I am 26, but my values and opinions are often similar to the above mentioned guy :) Boy! And you still use computers? I mean that didn't put you off ;) > > Let's have LEAF support m68k based linux. The AMIGA has one of the > > most loyal & competent userbase around! Many/most of them also have > > PC's, and many run Linux. That means they could contribute to "both" > > flavours. I'd like to work on such a variant myself, and I have the HW > > needed. > > What about the old "dead-hardware-platform" problem? That's not a problem! They need something useful to do with the HW. Use it for LEAF and it won't be dead, until it stops responding to power on. >I've seen news > stories saying that production has halted or started again a few > times over; which part of the cycle are we in now? I dön't much care any more. I do care for all my AMIGAs though, and I'd love to run LEAF on em. I think many would feel the same, and so to me this seems irrelevant, or more like an argument pro LEAF m68k. [...] > > Another loyal userbase would be the Mac camp., not how sure how > > compentent/computer littrate they are though ;) > > There are some. One LRP person I know who has been doing some > good work is a Mac loyal. I am sure! And I sure hope I don't offend anyone with my "style", notice I use a lot of :) and ;) > > Well, I'd like to see & work on (current) debian based (i386/m68k) LEAF > > distros, keep the router orientation, well documented, modular apporach > > (cater for the expert and the newbie), focus on secrurity (secure by default) > > , support old/obscure HW, minimalistic by deafault with lots of addons. > > > > I'd like to do FW (proxy) addons (packages). Webinterface for > > administration, and setup scripts (wizard like), MRTG package, > > easy support/expation to LS, ZIP, harddisk etc... > > > > Also the java idea of Charles is GREAT! > > > > That was just a brainstorming on what I'd like to see in/come out of LEAF. > > It was good. Give us more. Well, there's the idea with the install thing (se post to Charles about disk img.). That way one could have a CD which would make an awsome toolkit to build small systems to simply get the job done, and nothing else. Given enough add on packages, and a decent routine it would be incredebly flexible, efficient and powerful! > > Hope someone want's to help, coz i NEED it BAD :) > > We're all here. Good. I'm glad we seem to share some (a lot) of opinions on what LEAF (at least part of it) should be. What do the rest of you think? > > I also have I ideas on how to organise? Anyone care to hear? > > (Pls. I am not a David wannabe, this are merly suggestions ;) > > Share your ideas. That's what this list is for. Let me get back to you on this one (need some sleep). :) > > Well, you tell me ;) I have not run Slack since the early 90's. > > I installed it on a 386sx just to see what Linux was all about (I love > > old and limited systems ;) > > That's where I started with Linux, maybe '93 or '94. Kewl, but you stuck with slack? I moved to Red Hat :/ And then soon to SuSE. I've also looked briefly at Debian & Trustix (The latter being Red Hat based, I simply installed and removed.) > > But that's just good though right? Less double work? Isn't the init of > > slack possible to do on LEAF? If it is then do it :) > > In fact, I believe that somebody has build a Slackware-like init > system for LRP that replaces the Debian init. > > It would be easier to do that, just modify it with a less > crack-inspired init, than it would be to come up with a whole > new version based on Slackware. Ok, good. I think you should do that. That shouldn't be to much work should it? Make a base image (like I mentioned in the post to Charles) > > BTW: I (my company) wanted to donate a domain name for LEAF, however > > all three leaf.tld are taken. Anyone have any good ideas? > > > > leafproject.org? > > leaf-project.org? > > leafdistro.org? > > The suggestion, in previous discussion has been leaf-router.org. That's a good one, would fit in nicely with my brainstorming above. I personaly like the leaf-project.org as well. Nothing wrong with having more domains pointing in the same direction either. Let me know what you think. -- Per Gustav Ousdal <ou...@si...> SirCon DA, Postbox 12, 4440 Tonstad, Norway Tlf: +47 38371111 Fax: +47 38371119 http://www.sircon.no |
From: David D. <ss...@ma...> - 2000-11-02 00:18:18
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On 1 Nov 2000, at 14:31, Mike Noyes wrote: > At 09:06 PM 11/1/00 +0000, Pedro Barreto wrote: > >mike, you've told me about the logo, you wanted something like: > > > >"LEAF logo. A tree branch with a leaf attached. Tux embedded on the leaf. > >Workstations attached to the leaf fingers. Text: The Internet LEAF and You." > > > >that's kind of difficult to create, it will end up being too big, and > >detailed. > > I had a feeling it might be. Here is a simple-one - I think - an oversized Oak Leaf, with Tux EMBOSSED on the leaf (no special coloring). That wouldn't be hard, would it? A nice silver cast to the leaf would be nice. How about a leaf on a branch shaped like Tux? How about a bonsai or similar mini-tree with one of the above "leaves" attached? How about the embossed leaf (#1 above) gently wafting and curling in the air? How about a leaf pile? Or maybe a pile of leaves or a "leafy" tree (like an oak or maple) shaped like Tux? I'm good at ideas, not art :-) -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware ddo...@me... |
From: Per G. O. <ous...@si...> - 2000-11-02 00:12:54
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> > My experince with computers started in the early eighties, I was a CBM > > 64 fan, and later migrated to AMIGA. I have most my experience from > > the AMIGA platform. And THATS what you are looking for my friend: > > There's quite a few Amiga folks around. Dave Cinege, the creator of LRP was > involved in quite a bit of Amiga development, and I'm one of the hardware > designers of the Video Toaster and Video Flyer from NewTek Hey! :) Well, that just goes to prove my point then (With of'coz me being the exception to prove it :) I've used the VT, when I went to high school in the US, really cool (at least for the time). Now how come you never made a PAL version? :( [...] > Supporting multiple platforms will be easier if we switch to an embedded > distribution, or otherwise create our own cross-compile environment. That > should allow compiling for several target machines from the same code base. Well, let's go ;) I'd like to see such a developer enviroment soon. -- Per Gustav Ousdal <ou...@si...> SirCon DA, Postbox 12, 4440 Tonstad, Norway Tlf: +47 38371111 Fax: +47 38371119 http://www.sircon.no |