I have been trying Kwheezy from a Live USB and found it very impressive. Thank you for a very fine looking and acting system. But I just tried to install Kwheezy and was very disappointed when it would not install.
I have been running dual-boot of 2 Linux operating systems for several years. I keep looking for the ideal system for me, but I have not quite found it yet.
When I first started dual-booting Linux and Linux I had 16 Gb partitions for /, but it did not take too long to realize that 16 Gb was way bigger than necessary, so the next time I reformatted the whole drive I made those 2 partitions 8 Gb each.
After a while I had a Linux Mint Debian Edition that got to be over 6 Gb, so just to be sure, the next time I reformatted the whole disk I increased the size of those 2 partitions to 10.7 Gb. My HDD is 500 Gb, so that leaves over 450 Gb for the 2 installations to share as /home. I have not had any problems with this setup.
That is, no problems until today, when Kwheezy refused to install because my root partition was less than 15 Gb. I am really not into re-partioning right now.
So, my 2 part question is: 1], why does Kwheezy need nearly 3 times as much space as other systems I have used; and 2], is there any solution besides re-partioning?
Thanks for the great system. I look forward to installing it when I can.
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Firstly, sorry for the late reply, Ive been extremely busy at work recently.
Bottom line is, you will need to either repartition or install to an external USB HDD. I recommend getting yourself an external USB HDD (perhaps SSD - solid state) and using it for trying out your distros. Then if you really like Kwheezy you can repartition the internal drive and install Kwheezy more permanently. You will probably need to select the USB drive as a boot device in your BIOS as oppsosed to using GRUB selection.
The reason Kwheezy requires a large root partition is that it installs to at least 12GB of data on the root partition. And it's not good to be above 80% of usage on your root filesystem, for fragmantation/performance reasons. This is much much larger than most distros because Kwheezy is loaded with so much software. You propably won't need to install anything else after installation. It's just the philosphy of Kwheezy, it's all ready to go install, good for newcomers who don't know how to install these things themselves. For example, every single font package has been installed from the debian repo, that takes up a GB or so in itself.
Give it a try without destroying you existing daily driver. You might like it enough to redo you partitioning.
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did kwheezy 1.4 consumed more than 20gb partiton? after doing clean install on asus x450cc and add package from repo i find out that 30gb is not enough for kwheezy. the root partition consumed more than 20 gb, leaving 9gb on the root partition.
now i know should've allocated 60gb or 120gb for root partition and wipe two windows 7 partition (that consumed 90gb and 70gb) for good on the 500gb.
Thanks euan for this great distro.
Last edit: lemorte 2014-03-05
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Well that doesn't sound right. I think Kwheezy only uses about 12-13GB on the root partition. 30GB should be planty since you won't need toinstall much extra with Kwheezy being so big. Infact I have it install to 32GB SSD on this machine, with root partition of 14GB. Since I have everything I need in Kwheezy without adding extra software, and my files are on network share mounted via sshfs. Actually my home partition (14GB) is mostly empty.
Are you sure it's 20GB after installation? That doesn't sound right and makes me worried something is wrong. I can't think of any reason why it would be that much bigger on any installation.
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no i told you before, that i do a clean install and add some package from repo (mostly game). like you've said it used more than 12-13gb for clean install. that's the reason why 30gb not enough if you add more software to kwheezy since it used extra memory than any other distribution.
now my only question is what is the best backup solution for kwheezy, because i don't want to reinstall all the package after wiping my hdd.
again thanks euan for fast response and make my life less miserable with kwheezy (i've been in hell with ubuntu, i don't wanna go back). LOL
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Aha, I must have missed the bit about installing extra software. You must have added quite a bit to take it to 20GB.
For backing up the installation (as opposed to your personal data):
Normally I would suggest using the inbuilt remastering tool kwheezy-livecd. But (i) it requires you don't update to a new kernel or switch to testing repo (ii) it must result in a 4GB or less iso file. If you add so much software it will be too big to remaster using kwheezy-livecd, unless you remove lots of stuff you don't need. texlive-*, fonts, caligra/libre office would be a good place to start, they take up a lot of space. The advantage with making a Live DVD remaster is that it's like your own personal distro, geek cred applies. Instructions on kwheezy website for kwheezy-livecd.
The more likely method is Clonezilla. It's the best imaging tool i've ever used. Download the free livecd (linux based) iso and burn to CD. Backup your whole HDD or just selected partitions to a USB HDD. This works well and shouldn't have restrictions on size. Just make sure to use a filesystem that supports >4GB files on your USB HDD. For example ext3/4 or NTFS. If using ext3/4 remember to set the write permissions on the USB HDD to write by everyone (rwxrwxrwx) [777]. Unix-like filesystems are strict about access rights.
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I almost use mondo and mindi, but I have doubt since mondo&mindi was a new software. I'll clone the root partition now. Was it ok to use Tuxboot to create Clonezilla live-usb or should I use DVD?
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I used DVD (or CD, can't remember). But it should be OK to dd it to a USB stick. I recommend dd over those unetbootin like things. If it won't boot with plain dd, then use "isohybrid nameofimage.iso" first, then dd. Instructions on Kwheezy website for dd command.
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I used DVD (or CD, can't remember). But it should be OK to dd it to a USB stick. I recommend dd over those unetbootin like things. If it won't boot with plain dd, then use "isohybrid nameofimage.iso" first, then dd. Instructions on Kwheezy website for dd command.
On Friday, March 7, 2014 08:12 SGT, "lemorte" <lemorte@users.sf.net> wrote:
I almost use mondo and mindi, but I have doubt since mondo&mindi was a new software. I'll clone the root partition now. Was it ok to use Tuxboot to create Clonezilla live-usb or should I use DVD?
I have been trying Kwheezy from a Live USB and found it very impressive. Thank you for a very fine looking and acting system. But I just tried to install Kwheezy and was very disappointed when it would not install.
I have been running dual-boot of 2 Linux operating systems for several years. I keep looking for the ideal system for me, but I have not quite found it yet.
When I first started dual-booting Linux and Linux I had 16 Gb partitions for /, but it did not take too long to realize that 16 Gb was way bigger than necessary, so the next time I reformatted the whole drive I made those 2 partitions 8 Gb each.
After a while I had a Linux Mint Debian Edition that got to be over 6 Gb, so just to be sure, the next time I reformatted the whole disk I increased the size of those 2 partitions to 10.7 Gb. My HDD is 500 Gb, so that leaves over 450 Gb for the 2 installations to share as /home. I have not had any problems with this setup.
That is, no problems until today, when Kwheezy refused to install because my root partition was less than 15 Gb. I am really not into re-partioning right now.
So, my 2 part question is: 1], why does Kwheezy need nearly 3 times as much space as other systems I have used; and 2], is there any solution besides re-partioning?
Thanks for the great system. I look forward to installing it when I can.
Firstly, sorry for the late reply, Ive been extremely busy at work recently.
Bottom line is, you will need to either repartition or install to an external USB HDD. I recommend getting yourself an external USB HDD (perhaps SSD - solid state) and using it for trying out your distros. Then if you really like Kwheezy you can repartition the internal drive and install Kwheezy more permanently. You will probably need to select the USB drive as a boot device in your BIOS as oppsosed to using GRUB selection.
The reason Kwheezy requires a large root partition is that it installs to at least 12GB of data on the root partition. And it's not good to be above 80% of usage on your root filesystem, for fragmantation/performance reasons. This is much much larger than most distros because Kwheezy is loaded with so much software. You propably won't need to install anything else after installation. It's just the philosphy of Kwheezy, it's all ready to go install, good for newcomers who don't know how to install these things themselves. For example, every single font package has been installed from the debian repo, that takes up a GB or so in itself.
Give it a try without destroying you existing daily driver. You might like it enough to redo you partitioning.
did kwheezy 1.4 consumed more than 20gb partiton? after doing clean install on asus x450cc and add package from repo i find out that 30gb is not enough for kwheezy. the root partition consumed more than 20 gb, leaving 9gb on the root partition.
now i know should've allocated 60gb or 120gb for root partition and wipe two windows 7 partition (that consumed 90gb and 70gb) for good on the 500gb.
Thanks euan for this great distro.
Last edit: lemorte 2014-03-05
Well that doesn't sound right. I think Kwheezy only uses about 12-13GB on the root partition. 30GB should be planty since you won't need toinstall much extra with Kwheezy being so big. Infact I have it install to 32GB SSD on this machine, with root partition of 14GB. Since I have everything I need in Kwheezy without adding extra software, and my files are on network share mounted via sshfs. Actually my home partition (14GB) is mostly empty.
Are you sure it's 20GB after installation? That doesn't sound right and makes me worried something is wrong. I can't think of any reason why it would be that much bigger on any installation.
no i told you before, that i do a clean install and add some package from repo (mostly game). like you've said it used more than 12-13gb for clean install. that's the reason why 30gb not enough if you add more software to kwheezy since it used extra memory than any other distribution.
now my only question is what is the best backup solution for kwheezy, because i don't want to reinstall all the package after wiping my hdd.
again thanks euan for fast response and make my life less miserable with kwheezy (i've been in hell with ubuntu, i don't wanna go back). LOL
Aha, I must have missed the bit about installing extra software. You must have added quite a bit to take it to 20GB.
For backing up the installation (as opposed to your personal data):
Normally I would suggest using the inbuilt remastering tool kwheezy-livecd. But (i) it requires you don't update to a new kernel or switch to testing repo (ii) it must result in a 4GB or less iso file. If you add so much software it will be too big to remaster using kwheezy-livecd, unless you remove lots of stuff you don't need. texlive-*, fonts, caligra/libre office would be a good place to start, they take up a lot of space. The advantage with making a Live DVD remaster is that it's like your own personal distro, geek cred applies. Instructions on kwheezy website for kwheezy-livecd.
The more likely method is Clonezilla. It's the best imaging tool i've ever used. Download the free livecd (linux based) iso and burn to CD. Backup your whole HDD or just selected partitions to a USB HDD. This works well and shouldn't have restrictions on size. Just make sure to use a filesystem that supports >4GB files on your USB HDD. For example ext3/4 or NTFS. If using ext3/4 remember to set the write permissions on the USB HDD to write by everyone (rwxrwxrwx) [777]. Unix-like filesystems are strict about access rights.
I almost use mondo and mindi, but I have doubt since mondo&mindi was a new software. I'll clone the root partition now. Was it ok to use Tuxboot to create Clonezilla live-usb or should I use DVD?
I used DVD (or CD, can't remember). But it should be OK to dd it to a USB stick. I recommend dd over those unetbootin like things. If it won't boot with plain dd, then use "isohybrid nameofimage.iso" first, then dd. Instructions on Kwheezy website for dd command.
I used DVD (or CD, can't remember). But it should be OK to dd it to a USB stick. I recommend dd over those unetbootin like things. If it won't boot with plain dd, then use "isohybrid nameofimage.iso" first, then dd. Instructions on Kwheezy website for dd command.
On Friday, March 7, 2014 08:12 SGT, "lemorte" <lemorte@users.sf.net> wrote:
Clonezilla work like a charm. Thanks euan.