Re: [Kaffeine-user] reversed mouse wheel?

[Anders E. A. <an...@el...>]

raid517 skrev:
> raid517 skrev:
>> Hi, what exactly was the reasoning begind reversing the mouse wheel 
>> in the latest builds of Kaffiene - and is there any way to 
>> 'unreverse' it?
> > Most people thought it was best this way. We had a big discussion on 
> this. I think it is correct the way it is now.
>
> > Here is the thread:
>
> > 
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9280031&forum_id=34875 
>
>
> Mmm... well that's not really a 'big' discussion. It is from one or 
> two users talking to developers and while the developers responses are 
> positive, the users responses are not.
It was discussed before that in more detail, you can search the 
archives. I am pretty sure there has been a lot of water through the 
river here.
> Several people on a number of other forums I have visited (while 
> extremely grateful for the efforts of the development team) have 
> expressed considerable annoyance at this change. Although I understand 
> that you are simply trying to follow established KDE standards, you 
> have to appreciate too that some of your users have been around for a 
> very long time - since the very early days of Kaffeine - and can find 
> changes like this difficult to take on board.
>
I think the concensus was that there was no standard here. Because of 
that, we discussed what was most logical, and decided to reverse the 
direction. Although I think the way it is now is the 'correct' way, I 
too was getting used to the way it used to work, so now I have to adapt. 
But I don't mind.

> As an interesting example you might wish to consider that some time 
> ago I built a computer for my Sister and for my four year old niece to 
> watch her Disney type movies on. When watching my niece, she as a 
> baby, instinctively used the mousewheel by moving it in an upward 
> direction to advance the movie forward and a downward or towards the 
> body direction to move the movie backwards. I think this is a good 
> test of what is and what is not 'intuative' behavior. If you think 
> about it moving the mousewheel forward and back is a bit like you 
> standing on your feet to walk forward and backwards. If you stand on 
> your feet and do this, clearly if you walked backwards, you would not 
> expect to move forwards.
It's not a good analogy in my opinion. I am thinking of it like reading 
a book or a web page. When you want to go forward in the text, you go 
further _down_ the page, so you scroll down with your mouse wheel. Same 
thing with the rolling credits at the end of the movie, the new text 
comes up from the bottom of the screen, so when you want to move forward 
you have to look further down in the movie, so you have to scroll down.

> My own preference would be to have the default/normal (and most 
> natural) behavior restored - but failing this I certainly think this 
> should be a user selectable option. For those few users who do not 
> want to use the instinctive/intuitive default behavior that we have 
> all become accustomed to, well naturally they should be able to select 
> to invert the controls. But for the vast majority of the rest of us, I 
> do think that non inverted controls (of the kind found in all previous 
> kaffiene versions) should be the default behavior of choice.
I really think you are overestimating how many people are bothered by 
this. As I noted earlier I wouldn't mind a setup option to reverse the 
direction, but I think it is correct the way it works now.


Anders E. Andersen