Re: [Jython-users] jython to java?

[John M. <joh...@ya...>]

--- D-Man <ds...@ri...> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:40:38AM -0800, John Mudd wrote:
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> 
> Since you wrote this in Python to start with I'll assume you like
> python and are convinced of its merits.  It would probably be
> advantageous for you to determine why your group is pushing for Java.
> If it is because of simpler coding, portability, etc, then maybe you
> could present Python as an alternative.  If you can manage to get
> Python bindings for your CORBA orb that would help as well.  (BTW,
> ORBit has Python bindings,  it's the free open source orb that GNOME
> uses)

I've been looking for something like python for years.  It's the best! 
I finally have a medium in which I can express my algorithms.

But...  As I heard years ago and still agree with, it's not the tool
but the person that champions the tool.  I'm afraid I'm currently not
in a good position in my current group to champion Python.  Over the
years I've noticed a pattern.  New tribes arrive on the scene and
wrestle with the presiding regime for power.  It's not enough to show
up and do good work in order to lead us in a new direction. 
Consistently, the new groups actually has little to offer beyond their
self marketing and soon must resort to bashing the old group in a
desperate attempt to gain favor with the mother & father figures. 
Well, I guess that's politics and can be expected.  But, having made
the "mistake" of actually produced working software in the past I am
now a target.  If I say it's white then the reply is often that it's
black.  Ugh.  The tide will turn but slowly.  In the meantime I am
ridiculed for trying Python.

Is there a lesson here for those who would like to see Python/Jython
become mainstream?  Certain religions have clauses requiring members to
pass the word.  It's lead to nasty conflicts but who can argue with
their numbers.  And then there's the tobacco companies...


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> 
> I don't know very much about the 286's architecture other than it is

Me either.  I think the big flaw was a bizzare memory mapping scheme.

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> 
> If you want to read a good article comparing several languages and
> their performance vs. code size, check IEEE Computer magazine from a
> few months ago.  It compared C, C++, Java, Python, Perl, Tcl, and
> Rexx.

Good suggestion as I've already got it.  I highlighted the chart that I
interpreted to say that Python is the *best* choice for productivity. 
It was the only thing pinned to my cube wall.  Alas, there was a flaw
in my thinking that young rogue programmers (excuse me, anal ists with
advanced degrees) can be taught anything based on objective research.  


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> but writting Java extensions to Jython seems to be extremely easy.

*Agreed!*

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