Re: [Jython-dev] Python Software Foundation - Jython CLA

[Jeff A. <ja...@fa...>]

I don't understand "notification e-mail" in Ernest's e-mail. Surely the 
page surrounding the form needs to be clear enough to avoid people 
filling it in when they should have used the main form?

Jython accepts minor contributions without a CLA. At least, this is my 
understanding based on my own experience as a newcomer and how I see 
others treated. I've no formal definition of "minor", but when it seems 
to be up to me I ask myself  whether we could easily achieve the same 
thing, if we had to revert a disputed contribution. We always put the 
name in ACKNOWLEDGMENTS: I picked up that this was Guido's policy when I 
got into the CPython equivalent on embarrassingly slender grounds. So 
there are a lot more names in ACKNOWLEDGMENTS than I would expect the 
PSF to have or need forms.

If we've been consistent, _significant_ contributors from at least my 
début onwards (March 2012) will have filled the PSF central form. (There 
are not very many.) And I think each will have an identity at 
bugs.python.org, since I see I made an account at about the same date as 
I filled the form, with no other reason to do so at the time. That's not 
a problem.

Jeff Allen

On 17/07/2018 17:12, Jim Baker wrote:
> There are 104 contributors listed in 
> https://github.com/jythontools/jython/blob/master/ACKNOWLEDGMENTS#L80-L183 
> — I don't believe it's possible that we can do this retroactively. It 
> has to be based on the contribution form they initially submitted.
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:43 AM, er...@py... 
> <mailto:er...@py...> <er...@py... 
> <mailto:er...@py...>> wrote:
>
>     Jeff!
>
>     Thank you for your diligent research and digging! That certainly
>     clears up the bifurcation of the two forms.
>
>     I believe we’ll proceed as follows:
>
>     - Leave the main contributor form as is at
>     https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/
>     <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/>
>     - Update the “Past contributions” forms linked to be specifically
>     for the project noted, so that the notification email clearly
>     states they are retroactive/past contributions.
>
>     This will require that Jython contributors create and register an
>     account on bugs.python.org <http://bugs.python.org> so that they
>     can be marked as having signed the CLA. Is that a problem for the
>     project?
>
>     -Ernest
>
>>     I believe I have found (belatedly stumbled upon) the definitive
>>     PSF answer to this question. In this page there are three links
>>     to PSF contributor forms: https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/
>>     <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/>
>>
>>     The first link is to the one I think we want people to use for
>>     all PSF projects:
>>     https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/
>>     <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/>
>>
>>     The second and third, the top page makes clear, are to cover
>>     "past contributions":
>>     https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-python/
>>     <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-python/>   (to
>>     "Python")
>>     https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-jython/
>>     <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-jython/>   (to
>>     "Jython")
>>
>>     This reinforces what we already concluded, and what Frank
>>     remembered of the history, that contributions to Jython are
>>     contributions to the PSF, and the one form of agreement should
>>     normally govern them all equally.
>>
>>     The problem arises because these "past contribution" forms may be
>>     mistaken for the real thing when you land there directly (which
>>     you will if you think you want a CLA for Jython). Maybe these
>>     "past contribution" forms are still necessary for some reason.
>>     The solution is a clear statement on them that directs visitors
>>     to use the central PSF Contributor Form, unless they've been
>>     specifically asked to use the retrospective version e.g. by PSF
>>     staff.
>>
>>     If we think we will never need them again, they're no more than
>>     an attractive nuisance and we know what to do.
>>
>>     Is there somewhere I can lodge a change request about this? Is it
>>     bugs.python.org <http://bugs.python.org>?
>>
>>     Jeff Allen
>
>