Re: [Jython-dev] Python Software Foundation - Jython CLA

[Jeff A. <ja...@fa...>]

Hi Ewa:

I must defer to the PM (Frank) concerning what checks might be made that 
code contributed is covered by a CLA and at what threshold it becomes an 
issue. There's no tool support I know of: numbers are small so tools 
really aren't essential.

In my experience, there's no such thing as a "Jython CLA". I filled in 
the form you link and was told it was the wrong one. I filled in the PSF 
one and everyone was happy. That's really all I know for sure.

Our licence file says the PSF makes Jython available to users (with the 
usual disclaimers). So code given to Jython is clearly code given to the 
PSF. And both the contributor agreements you can find are agreements 
with the PSF, even the "wrong" one. So I think we just need to have 
signed an agreement with the PSF, and why not the standard one?

If I compare the standard form and the "wrong" form, I notice the latter 
has a retrospective clause to cover "all prior contributions made by us 
to any Jython version". I speculate it was needed to cover work before 
the adoption by the PSF, and before I showed up. I can't imagine anyone 
correctly using it nowadays.

Jeff

Jeff Allen

On 18/06/2018 16:26, Ewa Jodlowska wrote:
> Hi Jeff -
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Jeff Allen <ja...@fa... 
> <mailto:ja...@fa...>> wrote:
>
>     Jim, Ewa, Ernest, hi.
>
>     (Also, congratulation to Ernest.)
>
>     " ... there is currently no way to designate whether the CLA is
>     for Jython."
>
>     There is equally no way to designate that the CLA is for CPython.
>     And no way to designate that the CLA is for some other PSF
>     artefact that is not, itself, CPython or Jython.
>
>     I think this is deliberate, and a good thing, so my conclusion is
>     opposite to that in the thread below.
>
>     We're not simply re-using the design of a PSF form. Contributors
>     to Jython give their work to the PSF, and the PSF lets  everyone
>     else use it. (https://hg.python.org/jython/file/tip/LICENSE.txt
>     <https://hg.python.org/jython/file/tip/LICENSE.txt>). If we then
>     want to contribute elsewhere in the PSF, as I have in a small way,
>     there is no additional barrier.
>
>     It would be convenient if, whatever one contributed to the PSF,
>     submitting a CLA didn't involve signing up to bugs.python.org
>     <http://bugs.python.org> when all other interaction is via GitHub.
>     But as that's easily done, and there's a comprehensible reason, I
>     don't worry too much it will put people off. When you make this
>     even simpler, could you make sure that it still works for Jython?
>
> Can you clarify what the tracking process is for Jython's CLAs? Ernest 
> and I are not familiar with this process or any context related to it.
>
>     We do need to get rid of the misleading Jython-specific form,
>     though. I signed that one too, in the day, before being corrected.
>     I assume there was a good reason for it at one time, but I can
>     only speculate what it was.
>
>
> Currently, the only Jython "form" I found online is 
> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-jython/ 
> <https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form-jython/>. Do you know 
> of any others?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ewa
>