Re: [Jython-users] the health of Jython

[Matt R. <mjr...@gm...>]

I'd be interested in hearing the various use cases people have for python
that made them opt for 'both' as opposed to purely python or Java?

On 17 Sep 2016 2:42 a.m., "Jon Christopher" <jon...@gm...>
wrote:

> I love jython and use it frequently, and have over 3 decades of
> programming experience----so not quite a newbie.
>
> Jython works like magic for the most part but the integration is so slick
> sometimes I forget which platform I'm on.  The Java objects start looking
> like python objects and vice versa (which is the whole point, after all),
> but it can be a bit confusing---even though it all just works.
>
> So...I'm willing to cut the newbies some slack on their confusion here.
>
> -Jon
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Adam Burke <ada...@gm...>
> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't, of course - it looks like a  reaction from a beginner who
>> hasn't learnt to contextually separate a language from the platform
>> surrounding it.
>>
>> It might speak to the need for clearer doco entry points, though. The
>> dominance (and usefulness) of stackoverflow for new programmers is also
>> interesting. Because the foundation of jython predates it, there's not as
>> much of a community around Jython there, that I've seen.
>>
>> We made the wiki closed to anon edits because of nasty spam problems, but
>> contributors are very welcome - just ask on this mailing list.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> > 在 17 Sep 2016，8:32 AM，Michael Chisholm <chi...@mi...> 写道：
>> >
>> > On 9/16/2016 1:13 PM, Guzdial, Mark wrote:
>> >>> Apparently a lot of new programmers are being introduced to
>> programming through CPython ... shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython
>> instead?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Actually, many of the students at University who are learning Python
>> are actually learning Jython.  The textbook that Barbara Ericson and I
>> wrote uses Jython: https://www.amazon.com/Introdu
>> ction-Computing-Programming-Python-4th/dp/0134025547.  Last I saw market
>> analysis, it's the third most popular Python University textbook, at least
>> in the US.  If you read the reviews for the book, you'll see that lots of
>> people are confused about Jython vs. Python.  Quoting one:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This book is a prescribed text for a course: that's the only reason to
>> buy it. Its biggest problem: false advertising. This is NOT a book on
>> Python, it's about JYTHON - A Java based imitation of Python.
>> >> Why? Well, there's some pretty software, available to download, which
>> uses the the JRE. The author chose to stick with this "easy learning
>> environment" and basically cripple anyone wanting to write Python code for
>> Blender, Maya, Android etc.
>> >>
>> >> You may learn to program from this text, but don't expect a
>> trouble-free life when you get exposed to the real language.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The IDE that we wrote for the book, JES, is all Jython, and has been
>> used by thousands of students for over a decade now: See
>> http://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/205801-14-years-of-a-
>> learner-centered-python-ide/fulltext
>> >
>> > So I'll just ask the obvious: CPython and Jython are supposed to be
>> > alternative implementations of the same language, Python.  IronPython is
>> > another.  How does a different implementation imply a different
>> language?
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
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