Re: [Jython-users] the health of Jython

[Curtis R. <ctr...@wi...>]

Hi everyone,

>From my naive outsider perspective, the #1 thing that would invigorate the
Jython project is the ability to seamless use modules from the CPython
world. If JyNI (http://jyni.org/) can fulfill this promise, many more
people in the scientific community and beyond could then combine the JVM
with powerful Python libraries like numpy, scipy and skimage. For me
personally, this would alleviate a lot of the stress of continually needing
to "choose a side" when developing tech for scientists.

As for mailing lists + IRC vs. forums, I agree that mailing lists are
dated, and not really welcoming to new members of the tech community. A
mailing list basically says "this project has been around for a long time
-- it is the way it is, and if you don't like it, use something else." My
community (http://imagej.net/) recently transitioned support for our whole
OSS software stack from mailing lists + IRC over to Discourse + Gitter, and
the results have been astoundingly successful. I hated forum software for
many years, but would wholeheartedly recommend Discourse, which is a
quantum leap forward in both civil discussion and usability.

Regards,
Curtis

--
Curtis Rueden
LOCI software architect - http://loci.wisc.edu/software
ImageJ2 lead, Fiji maintainer - http://imagej.net/User:Rueden
Did you know ImageJ has a forum? http://forum.imagej.net/


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Richthofer <Ste...@gm...
> wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> completely agree with you in most points. Mainly I'd like to hint to the
> https://wiki.python.org/jython/IrcChannel as an alternative for posting
> questions.
> While not very active, it is at least rather responsive (usually within
> some hours or so).
> I think a keypoint would be to bring the homepage and Wiki up to date.
> E.g. I once experienced it hard to find setup instructions to get pip etc
> running, install modules for Jython, including clarification how or how not
> this interfers with a CPython installation or modules installed via a
> package manager in Linux. Often enough such stuff is only implicitly
> documented via stackoverflow or so. There are rumors a new homepage is
> upcoming via github pages, but I don't know about an official statement.
> Also the delay of Jython 2.7.1 isn't exactly beneficious for the issues
> you mention I guess.
> It appears all in all this boils down to a lack of manpower for
> maintaining Jython. But I agree that maybe organization structures could
> actually be more friendly for contributing to the wiki or homepage and
> other documentation. We should definitely think this over!
>
> > Apparently a lot of new programmers are being introduced to programming
> through CPython ... shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython instead?
> A good starting point on this front would be an up-to-date
> getting-started-tutorial for Jython, including Java integration-hints.
> Maybe such a thing already exists somewhere (hints?), but I usually found
> such information rather spread over various places. Jython-book is usually
> the best source of information, but is also outdated and not exactly a
> tutorial. We would need something that covers Jython 2.7.
>
> So much for now. Have a nice weekend!
>
> -Stefan
>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 15. September 2016 um 20:48 Uhr
> *Von:* "Mike Rodent" <mro...@ya...>
> *An:* "jyt...@li..." <jython-users@lists.
> sourceforge.net>
> *Betreff:* [Jython-users] the health of Jython
> I love Jython ... and I think you people who develop it are geniuses.
>
> But just looking at the archives for this mailing list tells its own
> story.  In the early years you see hundreds of posts a month sometimes...
> in the whole of March this year there was precisely ONE post.
>
> As I understand it, Jython was quite actively developed in its early
> years, and then went a bit quiet, but is now getting developed quite
> actively (no doubt Jython 3 will provoke some more interest).  And yet
> there is nothing but this mailing list to pose questions, etc.
>
> Does no-one here think that a mailing list as the centre of the Jython
> community is slightly anachronistic in 2016?  Wouldn't a simple forum tend
> to encourage new users to sniff out the power of the language?
>
> The goodness of Jython should be evangelised!  Apparently a lot of new
> programmers are being introduced to programming through CPython ...
> shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython instead?
>
> Just a thought!
> Mike
>
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