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Re: [Jython-users] the health of Jython
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From: Stefan R. <Ste...@gm...> - 2016-09-16 13:53:41
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<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div> <div>Hello Mike,</div> <div> </div> <div>completely agree with you in most points. Mainly I'd like to hint to the <a href="https://wiki.python.org/jython/IrcChannel" target="_blank">https://wiki.python.org/jython/IrcChannel</a> as an alternative for posting questions.</div> <div>While not very active, it is at least rather responsive (usually within some hours or so).</div> <div>I think a keypoint would be to bring the homepage and Wiki up to date. E.g. I once experienced it hard to find setup instructions to get pip etc running, install modules for Jython, including clarification how or how not this interfers with a CPython installation or modules installed via a package manager in Linux. Often enough such stuff is only implicitly documented via stackoverflow or so. There are rumors a new homepage is upcoming via github pages, but I don't know about an official statement.</div> <div>Also the delay of Jython 2.7.1 isn't exactly beneficious for the issues you mention I guess.</div> <div>It appears all in all this boils down to a lack of manpower for maintaining Jython. But I agree that maybe organization structures could actually be more friendly for contributing to the wiki or homepage and other documentation. We should definitely think this over!</div> <div> </div> <div>> Apparently a lot of new programmers are being introduced to programming through CPython ... shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython instead?</div> <div>A good starting point on this front would be an up-to-date getting-started-tutorial for Jython, including Java integration-hints. Maybe such a thing already exists somewhere (hints?), but I usually found such information rather spread over various places. Jython-book is usually the best source of information, but is also outdated and not exactly a tutorial. We would need something that covers Jython 2.7.</div> <div> </div> <div>So much for now. Have a nice weekend!</div> <div> </div> <div>-Stefan</div> <div> <div style="margin: 10.0px 5.0px 5.0px 10.0px;padding: 10.0px 0 10.0px 10.0px;border-left: 2.0px solid rgb(195,217,229);"> <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 15. September 2016 um 20:48 Uhr<br/> <b>Von:</b> "Mike Rodent" <mro...@ya...><br/> <b>An:</b> "jyt...@li..." <jyt...@li...><br/> <b>Betreff:</b> [Jython-users] the health of Jython</div> <div> <div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);background-color: rgb(255,255,255);font-family: Courier New , courier , monaco , monospace , sans-serif;font-size: 13.0px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3003">I love Jython ... and I think you people who develop it are geniuses.</div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3004"> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3005">But just looking at the archives for this mailing list tells its own story. In the early years you see hundreds of posts a month sometimes... in the whole of March this year there was precisely ONE post.</div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3058"> </div> As I understand it, Jython was quite actively developed in its early years, and then went a bit quiet, but is now getting developed quite actively (no doubt Jython 3 will provoke some more interest). And yet there is nothing but this mailing list to pose questions, etc. <div> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3121">Does no-one here think that a mailing list as the centre of the Jython community is slightly anachronistic in 2016? Wouldn't a simple forum tend to encourage new users to sniff out the power of the language?</div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_3122"> </div> <div>The goodness of Jython should be evangelised! Apparently a lot of new programmers are being introduced to programming through CPython ... shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython instead?</div> <div> </div> <div>Just a thought!</div> <div>Mike</div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473964808496_2928"> </div> </div> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Jython-users mailing list Jyt...@li... <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users</a></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html> |
