From: Kenneth M. <ken...@sb...> - 2007-08-31 20:28:02
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Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for Jython? (I've come across several, but they seem old, incomplete, or both). And is there a good page detailing how if and to what extent Jython classes can extend Java classes, Java classes can extend Jython classes, and so forth? Finally (though I realize speed will no doubt be a rapidly improving aspect of Jython), are there any sites/pages giving info about Jython speed in terms of different types of things (going back and forth between java types, pure jython speed, calling java methods, etc.)? Comparisons to other Java-based languages would be nice, just to get an idea of where things stand right now. Thanks, Ken P.S. It's really nice to see this moving again. I got quite a bit into Jython when it was first developed, and was very disappointed when it didn't get the critical mass needed to sustain itself. I think that, at this point, enough people understand the need to be able to implement things more quickly than can be done in Java, that Jython/JRuby/Groovy have a much better chance. Many thanks to all of those who took it on themselves to revive this project. |
From: Moore, G. <Gre...@ad...> - 2007-08-31 21:15:15
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Ken, I like your idea, especially your postscript.=20 I like to suggest maybe a section on the jython Wiki. I know there is a fair amount of older stuff that may no longer be accurate or as accurate as it could be. So maybe just start with a collection of links to docs? I be willing to help organize and even edit stuff. Personally, I like examples and to that end I'm working Jython examples. I have around 15+ examples that I'm working on that cover various Java related technologies (swing, 4dom, log4j, jdom, etc) some I've written, some rewritten, and some from this mailing list. When I get them whipped into shape I plan to upload them to the Wiki with the appropriate header pages and explanations. Maybe not formal documentation but an example is worth at least 10 pages :) once I get these up maybe others will provide some examples as well. Well... that my hope anyway. Personally, I'd love to see an up to date reference manual. Regards, Greg. -----Original Message----- From: jyt...@li... [mailto:jyt...@li...] On Behalf Of Kenneth McDonald Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:27 PM To: jyt...@li... Subject: [Jython-users] Where best to find documentation? Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for=20 Jython? (I've come across several, but they seem old, incomplete, or=20 both). And is there a good page detailing how if and to what extent=20 Jython classes can extend Java classes, Java classes can extend Jython=20 classes, and so forth? Finally (though I realize speed will no doubt be=20 a rapidly improving aspect of Jython), are there any sites/pages giving=20 info about Jython speed in terms of different types of things (going=20 back and forth between java types, pure jython speed, calling java=20 methods, etc.)? Comparisons to other Java-based languages would be nice, just to get an idea of where things stand right now. Thanks, Ken P.S. It's really nice to see this moving again. I got quite a bit into=20 Jython when it was first developed, and was very disappointed when it=20 didn't get the critical mass needed to sustain itself. I think that, at=20 this point, enough people understand the need to be able to implement=20 things more quickly than can be done in Java, that Jython/JRuby/Groovy=20 have a much better chance. Many thanks to all of those who took it on=20 themselves to revive this project. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ Jython-users mailing list Jyt...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the add= ressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. I= f the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorize= d representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that = any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you ha= ve received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by = e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. |
From: David H. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-09-04 20:21:17
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On 8/31/07, Kenneth McDonald <ken...@sb...> wrote: > Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for > Jython? I like this idea very much. The User's Guide is an excellent basis for further work, but some information can only be found in the newsgroup archives. (Obviously the wiki has its advantages, but as a user I find the User's Guide more convenient.) I'd like to interject that version differences are an important consideration with respect to documentation, especially at a time like this when the stable release is at 2.2 and there's a bunch of 2.3-2.5 functionality waiting in the wings that may find widespread use while the latest stable release is still 2.2. One thing that's missing from current Jython docs (at least on the web site) is a clear indication of which information applies to which versions. So far that doesn't really make any difference (for me, anyway), but it might in the future. As far as the Python/Java thing goes -- I already had experience with both, so the opportunity to use them together was a natural draw. -David |
From: Dave K. <dku...@re...> - 2007-09-06 21:11:05
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David Huebel <davidhuebel <at> gmail.com> writes: > > On 8/31/07, Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald <at> sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for > > Jython? > > I like this idea very much. The User's Guide is an excellent basis > for further work, but some information can only be found in the > newsgroup archives. (Obviously the wiki has its advantages, but as a > user I find the User's Guide more convenient.) > The following will not fill the need for primary documents, but perhaps it will be helpful to have a few second tier, auxiliary documents, too. So, my class notes that I use when teaching Jython classes are at: http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.html And the reStrucuredText (reST) source is here: http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.txt That document is mostly about the Jython/Python language, but there is a reasonable chunk that is Jython/Java specific toward the end. By the way, I have delivered this class three times now (3-day and 4-day classes with between 8 and 20 students). So, that should give you even *more* indication that there is a real interest in and need for Jython out there. And, especially, thanks to those of you who did all that work to produce Jython 2.2. Super. I'm scheduled to teach another Jython class, next January. So, I'll be updating those class notes between now and then. Dave |
From: Michael M. <mm...@gm...> - 2007-09-06 21:58:58
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I just gave a copy of your link to a co-worker who is getting started on using Jython.. He says your class notes are 'great' so far. thanks! David Huebel <davidhuebel <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > > > On 8/31/07, Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald <at> sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for > > > Jython? > > > > I like this idea very much. The User's Guide is an excellent basis > > for further work, but some information can only be found in the > > newsgroup archives. (Obviously the wiki has its advantages, but as a > > user I find the User's Guide more convenient.) > > > > > The following will not fill the need for primary documents, but > perhaps it will be helpful to have a few second tier, auxiliary > documents, too. So, my class notes that I use when teaching Jython > classes are at: > > http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.html > > And the reStrucuredText (reST) source is here: > > http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.txt > > That document is mostly about the Jython/Python language, but there > is a reasonable chunk that is Jython/Java specific toward the end. > > By the way, I have delivered this class three times now (3-day and > 4-day classes with between 8 and 20 students). So, that should > give you even *more* indication that there is a real interest in > and need for Jython out there. > > And, especially, thanks to those of you who did all that work to > produce Jython 2.2. Super. > > I'm scheduled to teach another Jython class, next January. So, > I'll be updating those class notes between now and then. > > Dave > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > -- <admiral> Michael F. March ----- mmarch at gmail dot com "Seriously" - HSR |
From: Moore, G. <Gre...@ad...> - 2007-09-07 16:24:04
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Dave,=20 I was looking thorugh your course document and it looks very good.=20 Its great to hear your class is so well received. When you change your class notes don't for get to change things like "Currently, the latest is Python 2.4.2." :)=20 -----Original Message----- From: jyt...@li... [mailto:jyt...@li...] On Behalf Of Dave Kuhlman Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:11 PM To: jyt...@li... Subject: Re: [Jython-users] Where best to find documentation? David Huebel <davidhuebel <at> gmail.com> writes: >=20 > On 8/31/07, Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald <at> sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Is there a single reasonably authoritative documentation site for > > Jython? >=20 > I like this idea very much. The User's Guide is an excellent basis > for further work, but some information can only be found in the > newsgroup archives. (Obviously the wiki has its advantages, but as a > user I find the User's Guide more convenient.) >=20 The following will not fill the need for primary documents, but perhaps it will be helpful to have a few second tier, auxiliary documents, too. So, my class notes that I use when teaching Jython classes are at: http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.html And the reStrucuredText (reST) source is here: http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/jython_course_01.txt That document is mostly about the Jython/Python language, but there is a reasonable chunk that is Jython/Java specific toward the end. By the way, I have delivered this class three times now (3-day and 4-day classes with between 8 and 20 students). So, that should give you even *more* indication that there is a real interest in and need for Jython out there. And, especially, thanks to those of you who did all that work to produce Jython 2.2. Super. I'm scheduled to teach another Jython class, next January. So, I'll be updating those class notes between now and then. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ Jython-users mailing list Jyt...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the add= ressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. I= f the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorize= d representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that = any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you ha= ve received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by = e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. |