From: Daniel L. <wil...@ma...> - 2003-04-04 02:47:40
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There is development and then there is DEVELOPMENT. I am not seeing the participation on this list I saw over the last two years, despite the claims of CVS activity. See for your self, go to the users-list web page and look at the table showing the totals for the months. You'll see a distinct and sharp fall off after it peaked in Jan-Mar 2002. I cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new JDK 1.4 (used to work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about it. Sure OS X has single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most things work well. You'd think someone would care. So if the project is small and you can afford to re-do it, go ahead. But if you need a language with a broad community of support and that will be around in two years, look elsewhere. It is a shame, I really like the combination of Python and Swing. A real shame. Me, I am signing off and moving on. |
From: Kevin J. B. <jyt...@sa...> - 2003-04-04 17:49:33
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> > >From: Daniel Lord > >There is development and then there is DEVELOPMENT. I am not seeing >the participation on this list I saw over the last two years, despite >the claims of CVS activity. See for your self, go to the users-list web >page and look at the table showing the totals for the months. You'll >see a distinct and sharp fall off after it peaked in Jan-Mar 2002. > Discussion activity does tend to be highest in any project when the core constituency is adopting a new release, and less active when people are actually using a stable release productively. (Yes large influxes of new users tend to increase activity as well, but large influxes tend to correlate with new releases, too...) >I >cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new JDK 1.4 (used to >work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about it. Sure OS X has >single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most things work well. > Looking in the archive, on 3/26/03 you asked: > Anybody succeed in installing Jython on OSX 10.2 with the March 10 > release of Java 1.4.1 Developer tools update installed? Pretty specific question, especially 2 weeks after the update was released. What percentage of Jython users did you really expect to be able to answer that question meaningfully? The fraction of jython users on Macintosh, with OS 10, who upgraded to 10.2, who have installed a 1.4.1 update within 2 weeks after its install, and have tried re-installing jython, and who read & respond to jython-users. Sounds like a pretty small group to me. Frank Cohen is pretty close (see 3/17) - but it doesn't sound like he re-ran the installer. Sorry. :-( >You'd think someone would care. For my part, I care, but I got cut on the first point, my only close contact that has a Mac got cut on either the 3rd or 4th points. Sorry. Can't help much given the current level of detail. :-( About the only advice I could give is to try doing the non-GUI install (specify the destination directory: java jython-21 -o d:/temp/j2). Failing that, try installing with an older JDK, and seeing if the system works for you with the new JDK. >So if the project is small and you can afford to re-do it, go ahead. >But if you need a language with a broad community of support and that >will be around in two years, look elsewhere. It is a shame, I really >like the combination of Python and Swing. A real shame. > >Me, I am signing off and moving on. > Too bad - alternatively, you could dig a bit, get more detail on what is going on, and contribute back to the project, building and becoming a part of that broad community of support. Your choice. Good luck. kb |
From: Geoffrey K. <ge...@kn...> - 2003-04-04 19:32:20
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I'll give it a whirl, since I meet all the preconditions except for (yet) having tried to reinstall jython. Geoffrey On Friday, Apr 4, 2003, at 12:49 US/Eastern, Kevin J. Butler wrote: > What percentage of Jython users did you really expect to be able to > answer that question meaningfully? The fraction of jython users on > Macintosh, with OS 10, who upgraded to 10.2, who have installed a > 1.4.1 update within 2 weeks after its install, and have tried > re-installing jython, and who read & respond to jython-users. |
From: Geoffrey K. <ge...@kn...> - 2003-04-05 02:13:34
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I downloaded jython-21.class on my Mac. I had to setenv CLASSPATH . (dot), but then "java jython-21" worked. The only thing is that in the GUI, after the Copy Files panel came up, it just sat there, no further update, but in fact it did the installation OK. When I looked at the jython script it installed, it referenced JDK 1.3.1 (even though I have 1.4.1 on my system). Not a big deal. It worked. Just for fun, I changed the 3 to a 4 in the jython script and restarted it. That also worked, though it loaded many more jar files and thus took longer to start up. Geoffrey On Friday, Apr 4, 2003, at 14:30 US/Eastern, Geoffrey Knauth wrote: > I'll give it a whirl, since I meet all the preconditions except for > (yet) having tried to reinstall jython. > > On Friday, Apr 4, 2003, at 12:49 US/Eastern, Kevin J. Butler wrote: > >> What percentage of Jython users did you really expect to be able to >> answer that question meaningfully? The fraction of jython users on >> Macintosh, with OS 10, who upgraded to 10.2, who have installed a >> 1.4.1 update within 2 weeks after its install, and have tried >> re-installing jython, and who read & respond to jython-users. |
From: Danny Y. <dy...@hk...> - 2003-04-05 01:22:22
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> > Anybody succeed in installing Jython on OSX 10.2 with the March 10 > > release of Java 1.4.1 Developer tools update installed? Hello, I've gotten it to work ok for me, though I had to run the installer through the command line. > About the only advice I could give is to try doing the non-GUI install > (specify the destination directory: java jython-21 -o d:/temp/j2). > Failing that, try installing with an older JDK, and seeing if the system > works for you with the new JDK. Yes, I can confirm that this worked for me. When I tried running through the graphical installer, the JDK and widgets would just stall on me. |
From: Daniel L. <wil...@ma...> - 2003-04-08 04:26:01
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Ged, Absolutely I agree: it is most certainly a problem with Apple's implementation of the Java VM. A kind Jython user sent me a hint to try the non-GUI installer option, which, to me, was counter-intuitive given my past experience with Python builds from source. For example, in the past when compiling Python, if one did a GUI-less install, i.e. without Tcl/Tk installed, Tkinter would not be installed by default without any selection or de-selection on one's part. I made the (erroneous) assumption that doing a GUI-less install of Jython might not link in the Java GUI classes in the same way so I did not try it. I drew a hasty conclusion without trying an option and I was in error. Though I have not tried the non-GUI install, I'll bet it works. Some should add some notes about OS X 10.2 and Apple Java 1.4 installation to the specific JVM notes to avoid having someone else looking foolish as I have. It was worth it though: I'll have Jython back and that is what matters to me. And furthermore, it seems, judging by the volume of replies I received to my lamentation of Jython's demise, that I was premature in my eulogy: Jython is definitely alive and well. To paraphrase Mark Twain: "reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated". I stand corrected on my hasty judgment. And frankly I am glad to have it alive and well--it beats Tkinter by a mile for a cross-platform GUI., Le roi est mort. Vive le roi. Daniel Lord On Friday, Apr 4, 2003, at 00:25 US/Pacific, Ged Byrne wrote: >> I cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new >> JDK 1.4 (used to >> work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about >> it. Sure OS X has >> single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most >> things work well. >> You'd think someone would care. > > Isn't this more likely to be a problem with the OS X > JVM than Jython? > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer |
From: <ge...@ya...> - 2003-04-04 08:26:06
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> I cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new > JDK 1.4 (used to > work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about > it. Sure OS X has > single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most > things work well. > You'd think someone would care. Isn't this more likely to be a problem with the OS X JVM than Jython? __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer |
From: Don C. <dco...@ch...> - 2003-04-04 15:16:24
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Daniel, Frank Cohen posted that he successfully ran Jython (embedded in TestMakes) under 1.4.1 on OS X. <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4163656> Maybe it's just an installer problem? Have you tried checking out of CVS and building the code on you Mac? Or manually "installing" by copying another install and editing the jython script (or whatever you use to launch jython). - Don On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 21:47, Daniel Lord wrote: > I cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new JDK 1.4 (used to > work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about it. Sure OS X has > single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most things work well. > You'd think someone would care. |
From: Samuele P. <ped...@bl...> - 2003-04-04 15:23:23
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From: "Daniel Lord" <wil...@ma...> > There is development and then there is DEVELOPMENT. I am not seeing > the participation on this list I saw over the last two years, despite > the claims of CVS activity. See for your self, go to the users-list web > page and look at the table showing the totals for the months. You'll > see a distinct and sharp fall off after it peaked in Jan-Mar 2002. I > cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new JDK 1.4 (used to > work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about it. Sure OS X has > single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most things work well. > You'd think someone would care. > if the apple's jvms regresses (and sadly that happens with sun's too) I don't know what it has to do with Jython developement per se. Someone with the same configuration could find a workaround or not. It's a general problem with Java, if one triggers a jvm bug it's painful. |
From: Jaime B. <jba...@ya...> - 2003-04-04 19:39:20
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the project is not vital for the survival of humanity, and not that large, but i definitely hate to re-do things, life is too short yes, its really a shame because java-the-platform is everywhere, have corporate america blessings, it's secure, stable, and have a huge amount of very good people contributing to it every day on the other hand java-the-language is such a pain in the neck (like xml), it's verbose (System.out.println("hello")) and inflexible and is difficult to be spontaneous, concise and expressive with it using other languages but targeting the jvm looks like a solution to that disappointment of mine it's also a shame that i don't have the time to contribute, otherwise it would be a bearable situation thanks for your answer Daniel Jaime Barciela --- Daniel Lord <wil...@ma...> wrote: > There is development and then there is DEVELOPMENT. > I am not seeing > the participation on this list I saw over the last > two years, despite > the claims of CVS activity. See for your self, go to > the users-list web > page and look at the table showing the totals for > the months. You'll > see a distinct and sharp fall off after it peaked in > Jan-Mar 2002. I > cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new > JDK 1.4 (used to > work with 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about > it. Sure OS X has > single-digit market share, but it is Unix and most > things work well. > You'd think someone would care. > > So if the project is small and you can afford to > re-do it, go ahead. > But if you need a language with a broad community of > support and that > will be around in two years, look elsewhere. It is a > shame, I really > like the combination of Python and Swing. A real > shame. > > Me, I am signing off and moving on. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com |
From: Pujo J. <jos...@jo...> - 2003-04-04 20:04:14
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Daniel Lord wrote: > I cannot even get it to install on OS X with the new JDK 1.4 (used to work with > 1.3.1) and I got no replies at all about it. Finding the same config as yours is not trivial in a small group... (most jython users do not install jython everyday...) Whatever: 1: Download jython-21.class to Desktop 2: in Terminal: typing: java -cp ~/Desktop/ jython-21 -o ~/jython21 lib demo source gives : try path /Users/josselin/ try path /Users/josselin/Desktop/ Done then: ~/jython21/jython gives: *sys-package-mgr*: processing new jar, '/Users/josselin/jython21/jython.jar' *sys-package-mgr*: processing new jar, '/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes/classes.jar' ... lots of 'processing new jar' there ... Jython 2.1 on java1.4.1_01 (JIT: null) Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> credits Jython is maintained by the Jython developers (www.jython.org). >>> This is a big case of WorksForMe ! Ok, the first install method does not work (GUI Installer) but the GUI-less one works perfectly... (documented at <sarcasm>the guru reserved secret URL</sarcasm> http://www.jython.org/install.html ) Hope you try jython again. Josselin |