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Hi,

Can I expect Jython 3.* anytime soon?  This would be extremely useful to me.  Thanks.

Not soon. We can't put a date to it, but we continue to have Jython 3 as 
a goal.

It is good to hear there is still a demand.

On 07/07/2023 19:53, Shellman, Spencer D. (Contractor) via Jython-users 
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> Hi,
>
> Can I expect Jython 3.* anytime soon?  This would be extremely useful 
> to me.  Thanks.
>
>
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Jython 3 demand + 1.

Regards
Yaqiang

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM Jeff Allen <ja...@fa...> wrote:

> Not soon. We can't put a date to it, but we continue to have Jython 3 as a
> goal.
>
> It is good to hear there is still a demand.
> On 07/07/2023 19:53, Shellman, Spencer D. (Contractor) via Jython-users
> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
>
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> Can I expect Jython 3.* anytime soon?  This would be extremely useful to
> me.  Thanks.
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+1 on Jython 3.

thanks
Anamitra Bhattacharyya
Maximo STSM
IBM Master Inventor
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Jython 3 demand + 1.

Regards
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On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM Jeff Allen <ja...@fa...<mailto:ja...@fa...>> wrote:

Not soon. We can't put a date to it, but we continue to have Jython 3 as a goal.

It is good to hear there is still a demand.

On 07/07/2023 19:53, Shellman, Spencer D. (Contractor) via Jython-users wrote:

Hi,

Can I expect Jython 3.* anytime soon?  This would be extremely useful to me.  Thanks.

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On 14/07/2023, Anamitra Bhattacharyya via Jython-users
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> +1 on Jython 3.
>
> thanks
> Anamitra Bhattacharyya
> Maximo STSM
> IBM Master Inventor

+1

Cheers,
FC

Jython 3 demand + 1

> On Jul 14, 2023, at 2:37 AM, Fernando Cassia <fc...@gm...> wrote:
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> On 14/07/2023, Anamitra Bhattacharyya via Jython-users
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>> +1 on Jython 3.
>> 
>> thanks
>> Anamitra Bhattacharyya
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> Jython 3 demand + 1
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+1 for Jython 3.x
I'm using Groovy for now.

+2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?

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I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there is great interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m another +1 (which is true), is there a short-list of things that need to be achieved to reach Python 3+ compatibility? 

In my naive experience as a Python user, the most substantive difference between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the transition between “print” being a statement in 2 and a function in 3 and that seems trivial. All the other changes were under the hood and not important from a user’s perspective.

If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,

All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the project; it’s just a bit mysterious how any of us can help.

John

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin <lsc...@gm...> wrote:
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> +2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox <drj...@gm... <mailto:drj...@gm...>> wrote:
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Thanks to all who have given their +1s to this. I'm genuinely heartened 
that others think this is still worthwhile.

There is a lot of change to take on between Python 2.7 and any recent 3 
(not just print()), but also it seemed the time to implement the core in 
a more modern way.

There was a time when I just wanted to try these ideas in a corner, in 
case the ideas were all wrong. (I hate wasting others' time.) It looks 
like they aren't *all* wrong. At the moment I'm working to integrate a 
contributed compiler front-end (Python to AST) which endeavor I think 
will drive forward other parts of the core still missing.

Jeff Allen

On 15/07/2023 13:32, John A. Hayes wrote:
> I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there is 
> great interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m another +1 
> (which is true), is there a short-list of things that need to be 
> achieved to reach Python 3+ compatibility?
>
> In my naive experience as a Python user, the most substantive 
> difference between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the transition between 
> “print” being a statement in 2 and a function in 3 and that seems 
> trivial. All the other changes were under the hood and not important 
> from a user’s perspective.
>
> If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,
>
> All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the project; it’s just a bit 
> mysterious how any of us can help.
>
> John
>
>> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin <lsc...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> +2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox <drj...@gm...> wrote:
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>>     +1 for Jython 3.x
>>     I'm using Groovy for now.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Dear Jeff (and others),</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I wanted to add my words of encouragement towards developing a Python 3.x version of Jython. &nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Your work, which provides the connection between the gentle, and user-friendly (programmer-friendly) Python syntax and great API, with the industrial-strength Java capabilities and API, makes all kinds of projects and work possible, that - chances are - you will never hear about. &nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am the co-developer of JythonMusic, which I now see is included as one of the many projects made possible through your work on Jython.org. (JythonMusic is available at JythonMusic.org.)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you for your great work. &nbsp;Words cannot begin to describe the appreciation felt on this end. &nbsp;You have made more than a decade of productive and creative works possible, and this is just on our end. &nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This is to say that your work is being used in ways that you may never know. &nbsp; And is deeply appreciated. &nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you.&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Best,</div><div dir="ltr">Bill</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Bill Manaris, Ph.D.</div><div>Professor, Computer Science</div><div>Director, Computing in the Arts</div><div>College of Charleston, USA</div><div>http://manaris.org</div><div>http://cita.cofc.edu</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 25, 2023, at 2:50 AM, Jeff Allen &lt;ja...@fa...&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">

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    <p>Thanks to all who have given their +1s to this. I'm genuinely
      heartened that others think this is still worthwhile.</p>
    <p>There is a lot of change to take on between Python 2.7 and any
      recent 3 (not just print()), but also it seemed the time to
      implement the core in a more modern way.</p>
    <p>There was a time when I just wanted to try these ideas in a
      corner, in case the ideas were all wrong. (I hate wasting others'
      time.) It looks like they aren't *all* wrong. At the moment I'm
      working to integrate a contributed compiler front-end (Python to
      AST) which endeavor I think will drive forward other parts of the
      core still missing.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Jeff Allen</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/07/2023 13:32, John A. Hayes
      wrote:<br>
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      I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there
      is great interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m
      another +1 (which is true), is there a short-list of things that
      need to be achieved to reach Python 3+ compatibility?&nbsp;
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">In my naive experience as a Python user, the most
        substantive difference between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the
        transition between “print” being a statement in 2 and a function
        in 3 and that seems trivial. All the other changes were under
        the hood and not important from a user’s perspective.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,<br class="">
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the
          project; it’s just a bit mysterious how any of us can help.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">John<br class="">
          <div><br class="">
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              <div class="">On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin
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                <div dir="ltr" class="">+2 for jython 3 - wait am I
                  doing this right?<br class="">
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 15, 2023
                    at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox &lt;<a href="mailto:drj...@gm..." class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">drj...@gm...</a>&gt;
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="">+1 for Jython 3.x</div>
                      <div class="">I'm using Groovy for now.</div>
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Some of the features of Python 3 attract me in this document:
https://www.asmeurer.com/python3-presentation/python3-presentation.pdf,
including features 2, 9, 11, 12.

Regards
Yaqiang

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 8:33 PM John A. Hayes <ja...@gm...> wrote:

> I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there is great
> interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m another +1 (which is
> true), is there a short-list of things that need to be achieved to reach
> Python 3+ compatibility?
>
> In my naive experience as a Python user, the most substantive difference
> between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the transition between “print” being a
> statement in 2 and a function in 3 and that seems trivial. All the other
> changes were under the hood and not important from a user’s perspective.
>
> If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,
>
> All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the project; it’s just a bit
> mysterious how any of us can help.
>
> John
>
> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin <lsc...@gm...> wrote:
>
> +2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox <drj...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> +1 for Jython 3.x
>> I'm using Groovy for now.
>>
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For the interested dev, Jython 3 is developed under the "main" branch:
https://github.com/jython/jython/tree/main
Also see https://www.jython.org/jython-3-roadmap and
https://www.jython.org/jython-3-mvp.
Initially Python 3.8 was targeted since it was the Python version in
development when the mvp discussion was formulated.
The target version was, however, somewhat recently adjusted to Python 3.11.

Best,

-Stefan

Am Sa., 15. Juli 2023 um 17:09 Uhr schrieb Yaqiang Wang <
yaq...@gm...>:

> Some of the features of Python 3 attract me in this document:
> https://www.asmeurer.com/python3-presentation/python3-presentation.pdf,
> including features 2, 9, 11, 12.
>
> Regards
> Yaqiang
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 8:33 PM John A. Hayes <ja...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there is great
>> interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m another +1 (which is
>> true), is there a short-list of things that need to be achieved to reach
>> Python 3+ compatibility?
>>
>> In my naive experience as a Python user, the most substantive difference
>> between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the transition between “print” being a
>> statement in 2 and a function in 3 and that seems trivial. All the other
>> changes were under the hood and not important from a user’s perspective.
>>
>> If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,
>>
>> All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the project; it’s just a bit
>> mysterious how any of us can help.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin <lsc...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> +2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox <drj...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Jython 3.x
>>> I'm using Groovy for now.
>>>
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Hi Stefan, 

Much appreciated for the feedback!

Cheers,

John

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Stefan Richthofer <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> 
> For the interested dev, Jython 3 is developed under the "main" branch: https://github.com/jython/jython/tree/main <https://github.com/jython/jython/tree/main>
> Also see https://www.jython.org/jython-3-roadmap <https://www.jython.org/jython-3-roadmap> and https://www.jython.org/jython-3-mvp <https://www.jython.org/jython-3-mvp>.
> Initially Python 3.8 was targeted since it was the Python version in development when the mvp discussion was formulated.
> The target version was, however, somewhat recently adjusted to Python 3.11.
> 
> Best,
> 
> -Stefan
> 
> Am Sa., 15. Juli 2023 um 17:09 Uhr schrieb Yaqiang Wang <yaq...@gm... <mailto:yaq...@gm...>>:
> Some of the features of Python 3 attract me in this document: https://www.asmeurer.com/python3-presentation/python3-presentation.pdf <https://www.asmeurer.com/python3-presentation/python3-presentation.pdf>, including features 2, 9, 11, 12.
> 
> Regards
> Yaqiang
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 8:33 PM John A. Hayes <ja...@gm... <mailto:ja...@gm...>> wrote:
> I think the conclusion from all this mail-list activity is there is great interest in a Jython 3.X. Rather than just saying I’m another +1 (which is true), is there a short-list of things that need to be achieved to reach Python 3+ compatibility? 
> 
> In my naive experience as a Python user, the most substantive difference between Python 2+ and Python 3+ was the transition between “print” being a statement in 2 and a function in 3 and that seems trivial. All the other changes were under the hood and not important from a user’s perspective.
> 
> If there are more corner cases, I’m happy to help,
> 
> All the best, and I’m a super big fan of the project; it’s just a bit mysterious how any of us can help.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Liam Coughlin <lsc...@gm... <mailto:lsc...@gm...>> wrote:
>> 
>> +2 for jython 3 - wait am I doing this right?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:13 AM Jon R. Fox <drj...@gm... <mailto:drj...@gm...>> wrote:
>> +1 for Jython 3.x
>> I'm using Groovy for now.
>> 
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