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[Jython-users] Where is Good guide to Jython??

[Jiger P. <jig...@ho...>]

Hi all,
        I am totally new to jython/python.  I just wanted to know if there 
was anything available on the net for begineers in jython.
  Any links to tutorials, sample codes, articles, intro, intermediate topics 
like Activestate maintains for python. Something more than the docs that 
come with jython. Also is anyone writing Full Docs just the one that comes 
with Python.

Awaiting ur replies,

THanking you,
Jiger



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Re: [Jython-users] Where is Good guide to Jython??

[dman <ds...@ri...>]

On Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 05:10:00PM +0530, Jiger Patel wrote:
| Hi all,
|        I am totally new to jython/python.  I just wanted to know if there 
| was anything available on the net for begineers in jython.
|  Any links to tutorials, sample codes, articles, intro, intermediate topics 
| like Activestate maintains for python. Something more than the docs that 
| come with jython. Also is anyone writing Full Docs just the one that comes 
| with Python.

Basically start with the python docs.  See Guido's "Tutorial" on
python.org or Alan Gauld's tutorial (I don't have URL handy, but
google will turn it up) depending on your level of programming
experience.  Jython _is_ python -- it is an implementation of the
python language and much of the standard library.  The docs on
jython's web site are to alert people to the differences between
cpython and jython and to introduce the special features (javabean
support).

If you're new to programming and want answers to basic questions the
python tutor list is a good place to look.  (tu...@py...)

HTH,
-D

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Re: [Jython-users] Where is Good guide to Jython??

[Terry H. <ha...@an...>]

dman wrote:
> experience.  Jython _is_ python -- it is an implementation of the
> python language and much of the standard library.  The docs on
> jython's web site are to alert people to the differences between
> cpython and jython and to introduce the special features (javabean
> support).

O'Reilly is coming out with "Jython Essentials" in March,
I'm hoping that will be good.

IMHO, based on what I've seen on the jython site, experience
with Java is assumed, and Python is taught. I'd REALLY like
to see something from the opposite perspective, if any of
you folks have the ability/inclination to write it. As a
Python programmer, the attraction of Jython is being able
to run Python code in new places, such as in-browser applets,
and rapidly-installable applications on client computers.

This can conceiveably produce a much nicer client-side
language for scripting. But, though I can see this
possibility, I haven't actually been able to get there
yet -- I still know too little about Java.  It seems to
me, that Jython should ideally reduce the amount of Java
you have to know to do Java "things": applets, servlets,
applications.  Yet all the docs seem to assume you already
knew how to do that in Java. If so, though, there's less
reason to use Jython.  I appreciate that it may be good
for less compelling reasons like fast development,
but the reason of "Well, I know Python and I don't know
Java" is definitely going to be the strongest reason! :)

If somebody can walk a newbie to Java through the
process of making these various things with Jython, it'd
be a real service.  Let's just say if it were a book, I'd
shell out cash for it. ;)

I suppose eventually I will be able to write such a
thing myself, but it ought really to be written by someone
who knows how to do it. ;)

Terry

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Re: [Jython-users] Where is Good guide to Jython??

[Mats W. <ma...@la...>]

At 01:31 PM 1/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
 >dman wrote:
 >> experience.  Jython _is_ python -- it is an implementation of the
 >> python language and much of the standard library.  The docs on
 >> jython's web site are to alert people to the differences between
 >> cpython and jython and to introduce the special features (javabean
 >> support).
 >
 >O'Reilly is coming out with "Jython Essentials" in March,
 >I'm hoping that will be good.

Don't discount Robert Bill's book.  I got an advance copy (electronic)
and just had a chance to glance at it before life got busy, and it
didn't seem anything special.  But now that I'm going through the
printed book in detail, I'm very impressed.

 >IMHO, based on what I've seen on the jython site, experience
 >with Java is assumed, and Python is taught. I'd REALLY like
 >to see something from the opposite perspective, if any of
 >you folks have the ability/inclination to write it. As a
 >Python programmer, the attraction of Jython is being able
 >to run Python code in new places, such as in-browser applets,
 >and rapidly-installable applications on client computers.

Well, I was in talks to do a Jython book a number of months
back.  The project ended up having its wings fall off (permanently,
I won't be competing with the two current books), but we
did examine in considerable detail what the markets might be.
My prospective publisher was not convinced that marketing a
book as "Java for Python programmers" would fly at all, while
"Python for Java programmers" might have some chance.  Since
nobody's offering to pay for it, I'm not going to be writing
either title!

Some folks have tried to kick off a collaborative effort to
develop some tutorials.  I thought I was going to participate,
but as I said, things got busy.  If you're interested in
pitching Jython as a kinder, gentler, approach to using Java,
you could try - I think a discussion wiki is already set up.
Maybe the time is right now, where it apparently wasn't last
go-round.

Good luck,

Mats