Re: [jos-general] Re: "Final" thoughts (was: [Sister Project] Good idea?)

[Iain S. <iai...@ya...>]

On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 02:52 PM, Gilbert Carl Herschberger II 
wrote:

> At 12:19 PM 8/23/01 -0700, Iain Shigeoka <iai...@ya...> wrote:
>> We have nothing to really point to but a bunch of talking. I feel like
>> those guys that sit around and drink beer all year talking about fixing
>> up their cars but at the end of it all, their cars are still pieces
>> of $%#$.  All talk, no show.
>
> Where is your source code? I must have missed the announcement of your
> product(s). I must have missed your distribution(s). Surely, you have
> contributed something to the JOS Project besides administration.

I was wondering if this ever would come up.  :)

I have contributed no source code to JOS.  My contributions have been 
mainly in the areas of support, administration and infrastructure.  One 
of the primary reasons for this was that many in JOS wish to create a 
"cleanroom" version of java.  I have signed the SCSL and worked with the 
Sun source code for their jvm, kvm and class libraries.  Therefore I am 
"tainted" and there is a risk that even if my name is only associated 
with non-core sections, it could expose the effort to problems in this 
dimension.  I have also tried to keep my mouth shut on many of the 
technical details for similar reasons.

>> I would be more than willing to give the mailing list, archives, and
>> wiki to the research project.  I don't think the are that essential to
>> the success or failure of a JOS project aimed at a particular jos
>> implementation.
>
> I accept. Let's do it. What will it take for you to give me the mailing
> list, archives and wiki? They seem to have no value to you. If that's 
> true,
> you shouldn't be burdened with their administration. Let me have the
> passwords. Teach me how to do what you are doing. I'll play the role of
> webmaster for a while.

OK.  Let's work out the other details Re: the rest of the project and 
we'll then tackle this.  The only real question in my mind is if the 
"research" effort is named JOS (hence the implementation effort forks 
off) or the other way around.  I personally would lean towards a fresh 
start for the implementation effort which would include a new name.

> In return, I would expect to be a full voting member of the JOS Project.
> For example, I would immediately remove links to un-finished, possibly
> misguided pages on the JOS Project homepage. I'll serve no page before 
> its
> time.

That sounds good to me.
>
> By the way, I was under the impression that Todd Miller cares for
> administration of JOS Wiki.

Yes.  I have contributed little to the new JOS wiki and all kudos go to 
Todd.  As far as administration of the wiki goes, Todd has been handling 
all of it as it is simple for him to move sfWiki patches back to the JOS 
wiki as needed.  If you wished to take this over I'm sure Todd wouldn't 
mind.  All you need is password access to the jos sourceforge project.  
As part of the switch over, if you take over the JOS name, you'll want 
to take over the adminstration of the JOS sourceforge assets as well.

-iain


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