Re: [jOrgan-user] OT. PROPOSAL: "jOrgan Consoles" & "jOrgan Dispositions" module abstractions separ
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From: Roy R. <roy...@ya...> - 2011-04-21 18:42:13
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"I'm not sayin' she as we don't have any lady dispo creator... yet)." ...Come to think of it, do we have any ladies here at all? Have fun, Roy. --- On Thu, 21/4/11, Panos Ghekas <pan...@ya...> wrote: From: Panos Ghekas <pan...@ya...> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] PROPOSAL: "jOrgan Consoles" & "jOrgan Dispositions" module abstractions separation WAS: [QUESTION/PROP] FluidSynth costumizer tab To: jor...@li... Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 19:27 I agree with Lynn. Do not expect jOrgan (and any app) do anything in auto mode and us do nothing exept just download and install. jOrgan is not for pipe organs only. Remember my piano/strings dispo. There's a hold stop like the ones found on synths. I use jorgan to control big samplers with any type of instrument loaded in 16 channels at least. Matt was right that there are users with 4:3 screens and is hard for them when a dispo creator releases for 16:9. Two screen versions by the creator is the solution, not in software. As 4xsound drivers versions (aka Direct, Asio, Jack, WDMKS). And creating Xmanual versions too, aka 1m, 1m/p, 2m, 2m/p ect depending on the organ, or even the synthesizer (!) yes. I got one dispo with two keybords for conrollers, one for an 88 piano type , engaging piano,rhodes,CP80,Clavinet ect and the other for a 61keys synth type engaging OB8, Moog, Prophet5 ect stops on console. Configuration wizard is very good as it is IMHO, it's up to the disposition creator to work harder to cover as many users' needs as he can (I'm not sayin' she as we don't have any lady dispo creator... yet). As time goes by and we know each other better, more or less we know how our physical consoles are, add to that this jOrgan-life-pictures topics (gooood!), so dispositions can be this way for work for the most of us. A data base of "Registered Users Physical consoles and/or kbd controllers" would be very useful I'm thinkin', so I would know for whom I'm gonna make things. Example who to refuse Marco a Ped to Grt coupler with monophonic bass ? Since I know he will love it and use it in Church !! Or someone with a 3man console that he/she needs some stops for the 3rd man and he/she's got a two man dispo. Private e-mails are good for this. Why not ask ? Is it possible to? Then it's up to the creator if he will, as time and obligations permits. Seems like an after sales concept, I know, but here we're a kinda familly, or community. Remember, Erik wanted a multi out Oberhausbergen. Yeah, good idea, many others would beneffit from, but, I didn't know how to do it, he did, I uploaded this alternate version and so on. My point is we can work together in some level and cannot expect everything from Sven. Ah, some good news. Hauptwerk 4 is released and guess what : it has a midi recorder in it..... he he, jOrgan has it for sooooo long, also F11 full screen (now?) and Midi out for all versions :-) and some customizing features...... Beyond jokes, HW4 is powerfull but all the above proves that jOrgan leads the way in some extremelly useful features. Best Panos --- Στις Πέμ., 21/04/11, ο/η Lynn Walls <cl...@gm...> έγραψε: Yes...my two-layer (disposition file/config file) solution is essentially intended to help the disposition developer --- NOT the end user. There would have to be a .config file tailored to each unique disposition. That is necessary because each disposition would potentially have a different number of keyboards, a different number of swells, and a different number of stops, couplers, trems and any other switches. It would not be feasible to define all these objects with any sort of "standard" nomenclature. Just for example, the manuals in classical/church organ terminology are named completely differently than those of a theatre organ. And even within each of those classes of organ the nomenclature often varies. And what about harpsichords, and electronic synth rigs (like Roy's) and other variants of keyboards and sound sources that jOrgan can potentially support? Don't assume that jOrgan is only only for pipe organs. So don't try to come up with some "standard" that only addresses pipe organs. Simply put: just leave it up to the disposition developer to name those input and output devices in the most meaningful way so that when the Configuration WIZARD presents those names to the end user, that end user will know what physical device needs to be connected to that name. It is the robustness of the WIZARD that will help the "lazy" end user -- NOT the layered disposition/config file architecture. You'll never get anywhere with trying to make it simpler for the end user that a good configuration WIZARD. Face it: at a MINIMUM, the end user will HAVE to understand his MIDI hardware, and he will HAVE to go through a configuration process at least ONCE per different organ definition disposition. Even Hauptwerk does not make it simpler than this! In fact, Hauptwerk's configuration wizard could probably be used as a functional model if Sven wanted to enhance the jOrgan wizard to be able to auto-detect the scope, channel and device of every keyboard and continuous controller (swell). Any user who wants to be "lazier" than this probably does not deserve much consideration from this forum. If Sven were trying to make money from selling jOrgan licenses, he might be inclined to bend-over-backwards for the ultra-lazy dummy. But given the monetary compensation involved, I would be surprised if any serious help would be forthcoming for any end user who is unwilling to work through a configuration wizard at least once for each distinct disposition that he wants to use. 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