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Re: [Jmol-developers] January 2014
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From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2013-11-06 17:29:34
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That would be good. I'll believe it when I see it. That's not one of options they mention in the blog. Seems to me that would have been the obvious solution. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Nicolas Vervelle <nve...@gm...>wrote: > You misunderstood me. > > You will need to sign Jmol applet even to test it locally, I agree, this > is a new requirement. > But locally, you can add your own self-signed certificate (or the own > currently in Jmol SVN) in your repository of trusted certificate > authorities : your self-signed certificate will then be viewed as a trusted > certificate (a trusted root certificate is nothing more than a self signed > certificate that is in your list of trusted certificate authorities, your > cacerts file). > > Nico > > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Robert Hanson <ha...@st...> wrote: > >> nope. Read the blog carefully. >> >> >> https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/code_signing_understanding_who_and >> >> <<*Developers* must sign any browser applet or Web Start application >> that they produce. Signatures on other application types (such as back-end >> server applications) are optional.>> >> >> It's all about how complex this is going to be within an organization >> that requires local testing. Right? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Nicolas Vervelle <nve...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Hard constraints are indeed being added to Java for applets and JNLP :-( >>> >>> I think it will still be possible to use self signed applets locally for >>> development by circumventing this mechanism : a trusted certificate is >>> nothing more than a certificate issued by a root certificate authority who >>> is trusted. For a developer, it's probably possible to add your own self >>> signed certificate in the trusted authorities on your computer... >>> We'll have to look more seriously into this very soon :-( >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Robert Hanson <ha...@st...>wrote: >>> >>>> Kind of a doomsday, I'm afraid. >>>> >>>> One of the aspects of this (if I have it right, and I think I do) is >>>> that *all Java developers who which to build any applet and run it on >>>> their local installations will have to have trusted signed certificates.* >>>> >>>> As far as I can tell, this is pretty much the end of joint open-source >>>> Java applet development. In order to test your code, you will have to have >>>> a *trusted* signed certificate. No self-signing. Period. Of course, >>>> you can still build applications and run them on your computer (go >>>> figure!). You just can't make an applet. We'll see if that pans out, but >>>> from what I read, that's the case. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/code_signing_understanding_who_and >>>> >>>> [By the way, this entire blog is something to take a look at. It will >>>> be our guide to the next stage.] >>>> >>>> This saddens me very much. It isn't just Jmol. It's about the wider >>>> development community. All except a few will be locked out of contributing >>>> in any significant way to any Java project that involves applets. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert M. Hanson >>>> Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry >>>> St. Olaf College >>>> Northfield, MN >>>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr >>>> >>>> >>>> If nature does not answer first what we want, >>>> it is better to take what answer we get. >>>> >>>> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers >>>> Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. >>>> Explore >>>> techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the >>>> most >>>> from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. 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Hanson >> Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry >> St. Olaf College >> Northfield, MN >> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr >> >> >> If nature does not answer first what we want, >> it is better to take what answer we get. >> >> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers >> Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. >> Explore >> techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the >> most >> from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and >> register >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers > Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. > Explore > techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most > from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and > register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |