Re: [Jmol-users] Remove Jmol Watermark

[Robert H. <ha...@st...>]

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> And about the Mac interface, there's lots of help to get started either
> with the system help or with online tutorials.  Once you get started I think
> you'll find lots of consistency and over time things will seem more
> intuitive.
>
>
The same is true for Jmol...;)


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> On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Robert Hanson wrote:
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> I, too, think that menu-frank looks way too "in my face". The frank is
> supposed to be a subtle reminder of what this is; we added a little
> functionality to it just to enable right-mouse-less operation, I'm pretty
> sure.
>
> I think you have to remember that there are LOTS of unobvious things about
> every interface. I've recently started using a Mac, and it frustrates me no
> end that the designers somehow assume I know everything about the interface
> -- or that it is somehow "intuitive." It is not.
>
> In Jmol we have all sorts of control/alt key/mouse combinations, for
> example, that are equally unobvious. Generally to take care of this you need
> a full toolbar or menu. Before we go changing the look of Jmol, though, I
> suggest thinking more about what else we could do to make the interface more
> obvious without detracting too much from it. Maybe everything doesn't need
> to be in the pop-up menu only. Perhaps, for example, when you hover near the
> baseline of the applet a toolbar pops up that has a suite of options
> (including help!).
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Jeff Hansen <jh...@de...> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I think you are right that your proposed solution is too obtrusive.
>> Having something that indicates the pop-up menu when you mouse over
>> the word Jmol is definitely unobtrusive.  However, for the
>> inexperienced user (who I think this is for) I don't see that being
>> helpful  What are the chances someone is going to just happen to mouse
>> over that part of the applet so the pop-up menu becomes evident?  I
>> think a small circle with a triangle pointing up just to the right of
>> Jmol would not get in the way and would signal to most users that
>> there is a pop-up menu down there.  Some mouse-over prompt as Bob
>> suggested would be good in addition to that.
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
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>> Jeff Hansen
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>> DePauw University
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>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:23 AM, David Leader wrote:
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>> > I've mounted a mockup pic of the current Jmol frank and what I
>> > proposed some years ago at:
>> >
>> > http://www.q7design.demon.co.uk/temp/JmolMockup.html
>> >
>> > On reflection, although the drop down nature is made clear, my
>> > proposal has a couple of defects:
>> >
>> > 1. It is more obtrusive than the current frank.
>> > 2. The style reflects a single platform (here Mac OS X) and it might
>> > be difficult to make it cross-platform.
>> >
>> > Perhaps some modern effect where the plain Jmol changes to a drop-
>> > down menu on mouse-over, as has been suggested, might be a better
>> > compromise, with developer switches for those who wanted to suppress
>> > the frank completely etc.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
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