Re: [JBoss-user] novice

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RE: [JBoss-user] noviceWell, Paul.  It's good that you've come to the =
open source EJB platforms.  Regarding JBoss, Marc Fleury and Rickard =
Oberg are INCREDIBLY active developers, and are leading the charge for =
EJB engines.  We have found that JBoss is getting faster, easier to use, =
and much more solid with every release.  They release to new =
specifications in a VERY timely fashin, so you'll be on bleeding edge =
with JBoss, (and in the world of EJB that can save WEEKS of headaches).  =
I'm not sure what the deal was with Enhydra, but JBoss comes optionally =
packaged and configured to run Jakarta-Tomcat, Sun Microsystems =
implemetation of the Java Servlet 2.2 specification (so you know that =
when the servlet spec changes, you'll get support from the JBoss crew).  =
Also, the user groups are very good, and since it's open source, you can =
just download the source code to figure out why the heck your JDBC Realm =
object isn't working the way it should.

All in all, I've found that using JBoss with the myriad of useful tools =
in the Jakarta project (Ant, Struts, Tomcat, Xerces, Junit) is a very =
good way to remain on the ball, up to date, in the know, and as close to =
the Sun as possible during development.

I hope this helps.

If I recall, we looked at Enhydra before we settled on JBoss. (back when =
they were still EJBoss...)  The CTO decided on JBoss (can't tell you his =
reasoning, but it's been working very well for us, and a little peer =
pressure never hurt anyone)

Hope this helps.

~Norman Rupp
Web Developer
Hypothermic, LLC
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Paul McLachlan=20
  To: jbo...@li...=20
  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:51 AM
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] novice

  Hi Norman,=20

  I too am a novice and have been given the task of evaluating jBoss and =
jonas/enhydra. Do you  feel jBoss is a better platform. I would like to =
know why one is better than the other because we would prefer using one =
of these openSource products rather than weblogic or one of the other =
expensive ones.

  Regards,=20
  Paul.=20

  -----Original Message-----=20
  From: Norman Rupp [mailto:neu...@ho...]=20
  Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 12:28 PM=20
  To: jbo...@li...=20
  Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] novice=20

  Boris,=20

  First of all, welcome to JBoss / Tomcat land.  You're going to like it =
here.=20
  The first thing that you should know is that all of your applications =
are=20
  going to use port 8080, and the rest should just be left alone.  When =
you=20
  map a context to a web application (you do that in the ejb-jar.xml =
file in=20
  your application's META-INF directory , NOT in any files in the Tomcat =

  directory), it will automatically use the 8080 port.  The other stuff =
is=20
  most likely for something completely different, most likely intended =
for use=20
  by the container.=20

  The JBoss application comes with a database called Hypersonic SQL.  I=20
  suggest that you use it.  As far as I know, your system will =
automatically=20
  use the Hypersonic Database unless you specify otherwise in the =
jaws.xml=20
  file in your JBoss directory.=20

  The classpath issues are a mess.  Your third problem is the definition =
of an=20
  imperfectly thought out application structure, and not enough reliance =
on=20
  build tools such as Ant. (go to jakarta.apache.org to learn more about =
Ant.)=20

  What I suggest you do for your first sample application is to purchase =
a=20
  copy of O'Reilly and associates Enterprise Java Beans (ISBN: =
1-56592-869-5),=20
  Java Server Pages (ISBN: 1-56592-746-X), and maybe their Java Servlet=20
  Programming (don't have the ISBN for that one handy).  These books =
come with=20
  very good sample applications, and have much MUCH more documentation =
for=20
  their sample apps than do the online ones.  I know they're pricy, but=20
  they're worth it.=20

  I could write an entire site on the importance of using Ant to manage =
your=20
  application developing environment, as well as some of the techniques =
we=20
  employ to manage the constantly changing technology for this.  AS SOON =
as=20
  you figure out JBoss 2.2.2, they'll be releasing the 2.3 version of =
the JSP=20
  API Specification, and there will be another round of upgrading and=20
  headaches, and you should try to plan for this.=20

  I'll give you a couple of pointers.  I can't elaborate in novel =
fashion, but=20
  you're free to write me back with more of your questions.=20

  1.  Use Ant for compiling, building (i.e. file and directory =
maintainence=20
  within your development tree and application directory... automates =
problems=20
  like the one you're having with the proprietary classpath issues), =
testing=20
  (I suggest using Junit Enterprise Edition for this), database =
maintenence,=20
  repair, and most importantly deployment (a very time consuming =
process).=20
  Ant, once properly configured (a skill in itself) will reduce the time =
of=20
  compilation and deployment from potentially several hours to less than =
20=20
  seconds on a stout PII 400 codestation.=20

  2. Don't sweat the vendor-specific jars and stuff.  This becomes much =
easier=20
  to deal with as you gain skill with ant.  We'll talk again soon.=20

  ~Norman Rupp=20
  Web Developer,=20
  Hypothermic LLC=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Boris Garbuzov" <bor...@bo...>=20
  To: <jbo...@li...>=20
  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:54 PM=20
  Subject: [JBoss-user] novice=20

  > Hello to Jboss and Tomcat experts. I just installed the=20
  > JBoss-2.2.2_Tomcat-3.2.2 product and curious about some questions. =
Can=20
  > anybody give me a couple of words or useful links?=20
  > 1. Dedication of ports 8082 and 8083. The former gives me some kind =
of=20
  > administrative page and the latter - empty body page for any given=20
  > context.=20
  > 2. Does the product go with any default DB engine or I am =
responsible=20
  > for attaching my own?=20
  > 3. In the first tutorial example client had to use some JBoss =
specific=20
  > libraries on classpath. It is strange to me. Is it normal for any =
client=20
  > of any EJB provider?=20
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