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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Doxy file

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 16:53, Dave Fancella wrote:
> All,
>
> There's a new jazz.doxy file in the root.  If you have doxygen
> installed, you can just type 'doxygen jazz.doxy' from the root. 
> Then open a browser at 'doc/html/index.html' to browse the class
> documentation.
>
> Anyone not know how to document code with doxygen?  I'll be happy
> to throw up the rudimentary stuff I do here...

The whos whatsit?  Actually, I've never used it before.  I wouldn't 
mind seeing some samples and/or a pointer to reference material.

     Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] XRC Headers

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 07:48 am, Patrick Earl wrote:
> I forgot to mention the headers... you'll also need the include files
> from this dir:
>
> wxGTK-2.4/contrib/include/wx/xrc
>
> An easy solution would be to copy the xrc directory into your /usr/
> include/wx hierarchy.

Odd thing is, it got all the way to the linking stage before bombing out over 
that.  I suspect the mandrake wx packages are broke in this way.  :(  So I'm 
building again now just with the static library in my jazz/src directory.  If 
it links, great.  If it fails on include files, then I'll do that.  ;)

Dave

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[jazzplusplus-devel] Doxy file

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

All,

There's a new jazz.doxy file in the root.  If you have doxygen installed, you 
can just type 'doxygen jazz.doxy' from the root.  Then open a browser at 
'doc/html/index.html' to browse the class documentation.

Anyone not know how to document code with doxygen?  I'll be happy to throw up 
the rudimentary stuff I do here...

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[jazzplusplus-devel] XRC Headers

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

I forgot to mention the headers... you'll also need the include files 
from this dir:

wxGTK-2.4/contrib/include/wx/xrc

An easy solution would be to copy the xrc directory into your /usr/
include/wx hierarchy.

        Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Anyone want to design dialogs?

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 07:36 am, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> On 22 March 2004 at 23:17, Dave Fancella <dav...@co...> wrote:
> > Hmm.  Can't build.  :)  Says can't find -lwx_gtk_xrc or something like
> > that. Mandrake doesn't appear to provide any packages with the XRC stuff,
> > so I may have to go the hard route and build wxWidgets from scratch.  :(
>
> Once a very long time ago I thought I knew which wxThingy was what.
> I have the old crusty, built from scratch wxWindows 1.68e.  I see
> wxGTK 2.4.X available for Mandrake 9.X.  How does wxGTK relate to
> wxWidgets, if at all?  Is there a URL for whichever wxWidgets we're
> referring to?

Heh.  :)

wxWidgets == wxWindows.  Microsoft came along and bullied them, apparently.  
The name change literally happened within the last few weeks or month or so.  
So http://www.wxwidgets.org/ is the new place to go for the same old stuff.  
wxwindows.org is still valid, but I don't know how long it'll still be 
available.

wxGTK is the Unix port of wxWidgets.  I seem to recall it was started around 
the wx2.0 era, but I don't know exactly.  I didn't start fooling with it 
until just before 2.4 came out.  In any case, wxMotif is no longer 
maintained.

So, wxGTK packaged by one of Mandrake's buddies is just their package of 
wxWidgets, formerly wxWindows.  I installed it in a hurry to get wxPython 
going awhile back, and now I have some apps installed that depend on that 
package, so I can't just uninstall it without having dependency problems.  :(  
I wonder if the spec file Mandrake used is available somewhere.  Probably.  
wxPython, of course, is the python bindings around wxWidgets, formerly 
wxWindows, so we can use it as our GUI in python apps, thus rendering Tk or 
Tcl or whatever (I can't keep track of those T names, myself) more or less 
obsolete, but not yet the default GUI for python.

As far as I know, we're shooting to bring Jazz all the way up to wx2.4, since 
most of 2.0 is deprecated, and a great deal of 2.2 is also deprecated.  We 
can use stuff from 2.2, maybe from 2.0, but since it's all deprecated we'll 
wind up having to rewrite anyway when it's finally removed.  I think that 
with wx2.4, the pre-2.0 stuff finally became obsolete and was pulled from the 
library, although that may have happened sooner.  However, some of the 
surprising little functions that came from the pre-2.0 era are still hanging 
around for some reason, and more or less undocumented now.  Thankfully, 
they're still there right now so we can build Jazz.  :)

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Anyone want to design dialogs?

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 16:17, Dave Fancella wrote:
> Hmm.  Can't build.  :)  Says can't find -lwx_gtk_xrc or something
> like that. Mandrake doesn't appear to provide any packages with the
> XRC stuff, so I may have to go the hard route and build wxWidgets
> from scratch.  :(

You only need to build the xrc library itself.  It's kinda separate 
from the main distribution.  For anyone who needs it, here's what you 
can do:

Grab the source... http://aleron.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/
wxwindows/wxGTK-2.4.2.tar.bz2

tar jxvf wxGTK-2.4.2.tar.bz2
cd wxGTK-2.4.2
./configure --disable-shared
cd contrib/src/xrc
make
cp ../../../lib/libwx_gtk_xrc-2.4.a YOUR_JAZZ_SRC_DIR

Let me know if you encounter problems.  We'll certainly want to make 
this library static for binary distributions.  If development issues 
prove to be tricky, we could maintain a copy of the library source in 
the CVS.

> I'm gonna go ahead and take a crack at a doxygen config file and
> start hacking away on the Project stuff, but I don't want to do any
> factoring until I can build the XRC stuff again.  Wouldn't be able
> to make sure it builds before committing.  ;)  (Well, I can add new
> files to the repository and when I can build again add them to
> Makefile.am and commit when it builds)

Well, hopefully you can build now. :)  Strangely enough, I'm happy to 
hear of any problems that come up.

        Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Anyone want to design dialogs?

[Kevin C. <ke...@do...>]

On 22 March 2004 at 23:17, Dave Fancella <dav...@co...> wrote:

> Hmm.  Can't build.  :)  Says can't find -lwx_gtk_xrc or something like that.  
> Mandrake doesn't appear to provide any packages with the XRC stuff, so I may 
> have to go the hard route and build wxWidgets from scratch.  :(

Once a very long time ago I thought I knew which wxThingy was what.  
I have the old crusty, built from scratch wxWindows 1.68e.  I see 
wxGTK 2.4.X available for Mandrake 9.X.  How does wxGTK relate to 
wxWidgets, if at all?  Is there a URL for whichever wxWidgets we're 
referring to?

Thanks....

Re: [Jazzplusplus-devel] Re: Old Jazz Binary

[Kevin C. <ke...@do...>]

On 22 March 2004 at 17:32, Patrick Earl <pa...@pa...> wrote:
> Sounds sweet.  I look forward to trying them.

Well, the dynamicly linked jazz has the "I'm linked with LessTif"
bug I fought off last Fall.  I'm nearly certain it's just that,
a linking problem.  I've got both LessTif and OpenMotif on my
system and things get difficult at times.  Jazz++ is the only app
which actually seems to need OpenMotif over LessTif.  This wasn't
a problem with LessTiff 0.91.X, but is a problem with 0.93.34.

The staticly linked jazz has a number of seg fault issues.

> Okay, I added 'kevinc' as a developer.  BTW, if anyone needs
> to do anything that requires more priviledges, let me know and
> I'll upgrade you.

Thanks.

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Anyone want to design dialogs?

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:23 am, Patrick Earl wrote:
> Hello Jazz people!  I've been working on a system capable of replacing
> many of the dialogs within Jazz.  It uses the XRC system and stores
> dialogs in external XML files.  I've designer a wrapper class that
> makes it pretty easy to hook the external dialogs to internal code.

Hmm.  Can't build.  :)  Says can't find -lwx_gtk_xrc or something like that.  
Mandrake doesn't appear to provide any packages with the XRC stuff, so I may 
have to go the hard route and build wxWidgets from scratch.  :(

I'm gonna go ahead and take a crack at a doxygen config file and start hacking 
away on the Project stuff, but I don't want to do any factoring until I can 
build the XRC stuff again.  Wouldn't be able to make sure it builds before 
committing.  ;)  (Well, I can add new files to the repository and when I can 
build again add them to Makefile.am and commit when it builds)

Dave

> There are a number of dialogs to create, and though it's not
> difficult, I'd rather focus on other tasks within the Jazz code.  So,
> I'm wondering if there's anyone out there that wants to make some
> nice looking dialogs using a GUI builder like XRCed or wxGlade.
>
> I can create the basic outline of the dialog with the necessary code,
> but making them look nice is a different story.  Anyone want to
> volunteer to niceify the dialogs?
>
> I haven't heard anything on the website front lately.  Is anyone
> working on this?
>
> This is another posting going to both lists.  If you're still on the
> old one, come on over to the new one.  Subscription details are here:
>
>     http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jazzplusplus-devel
>
> Have a great day all!
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 08:26 pm, Dave Fancella wrote:
> Any objections, comments, etc. to this?  I realize that credits can be a
> sticky issue, and I don't want it to be sticky.  Then I'll post a link, of
> course, and everyone can chime in if they were accidentally left out.

Credits are here:
http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/credits/

Did I miss anybody?  I didn't do the link to the credits page in the wiki yet, 
I'm still waiting for someone to chime in on that.  :)

I also went over the news page and got it formatted a bit finally.  I must 
admit, string manipulation isn't my strong point.  :(  Anyway, I'm happy with 
the way it looks.  Someone should look at it with each new news item and make 
sure it works, up to four or five news items.  If it breaks, we can fix it.  
If it doesn't break, then we don't have to worry about it.  :)  Sourceforge 
should really give us some macros or something so we can format the exported 
news.  :(

So, unless/until there are comments on the website for me to fix, I pronounce 
it done.  At least, I'm done with it.  :)  And happy with it, to boot.

Dave

> Then I'll put a link at the bottom that says "Additional credits can be
> found here" and link to the wiki, or Mark can put a comment on the wiki
> page saying 'This page is out of date, look here for the current credits'.
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 12:34 am, Patrick Earl wrote:
> Ya, that was looking lame.  I made a new pic and uploaded it.  I also
> made the orange font more yellow.  IMHO, it looks not bad now.

Just wanted to mention, I just showed it to my wife and she said "WOW!".  SO 
it's looks good to her, too.  ;)  I'm going to go ahead and pull my name out 
of the footer and make a credits page, I think.  That would be the proper way 
to credit myself for the website, and to credit everyone else for their work.

Unless there are objections, here's what I'm going to do for now:

I'll list as 'core developers' or 'jazzplusplus team' people who currently 
have write access to cvs and Joakim.  I assume he'll have it shortly anyway, 
in fact. I'll list as 'contributors' everyone else that I've seen cross this 
list so far.  I'll list as 'have made contributions' anyone else, and 
something that says 'based on code originally written by ....'.

And, of course, a line that says "If we missed anybody, email 
jazzplusplus-devel and tell us, and we're sorry for missing you".

Any objections, comments, etc. to this?  I realize that credits can be a 
sticky issue, and I don't want it to be sticky.  Then I'll post a link, of 
course, and everyone can chime in if they were accidentally left out.

Then I'll put a link at the bottom that says "Additional credits can be found 
here" and link to the wiki, or Mark can put a comment on the wiki page saying 
'This page is out of date, look here for the current credits'.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 12:34 am, Patrick Earl wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2004 06:58, Dave Fancella wrote:
> > On Monday 22 March 2004 03:11 pm, Patrick Earl wrote:
> > It's still not tiling well, but I left it there so you could see
> > it.  It's a background I originally made that goes in a space
> > that's only as high in pixels as the background is.  :(  So it
> > works on my website where I've used it.  :)  Part of it is tiling
> > nicely, though.  The part right in the middle. But you can see
> > where the seems are on the outer edges.  It does look like the GIMP
> > made it seemless like it was supposed to, though.  :)  You can also
> > see if it will look good when it finally tiles well or if we should
> > just drop it and use a solid background until someone comes along
> > that can just make a killer pic to use.
>
> Ya, that was looking lame.  I made a new pic and uploaded it.  I also
> made the orange font more yellow.  IMHO, it looks not bad now.

Actually, it looks quite good now.  Now we just need to fill out the pages 
with more text so the background will be understated a bit more.  :)  We can 
leave the news page mostly alone, except I'm going to capture it for text 
processing (need to give each news item a class that we can manipulate in the 
stylesheet).  The other stuff could be spread out some more with a few 
well-placed, small graphics.

> > I changed the font-family to Arial, Helvetica.  I couldn't think of
> > a good third fallback and decided to just let the browser pick it.
> > Most machines have either Arial or Helvetica, though.  Arial ships
> > with Windows and Helvetica is part of the base XFree86
> > distribution, I believe.  So give it a look now and if it's still
> > not right we'll play with sizes a little.  ;)
>
> Fonts look good to me.  Thanks.

:)  Looks good to me too.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 06:58, Dave Fancella wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2004 03:11 pm, Patrick Earl wrote:
> It's still not tiling well, but I left it there so you could see
> it.  It's a background I originally made that goes in a space
> that's only as high in pixels as the background is.  :(  So it
> works on my website where I've used it.  :)  Part of it is tiling
> nicely, though.  The part right in the middle. But you can see
> where the seems are on the outer edges.  It does look like the GIMP
> made it seemless like it was supposed to, though.  :)  You can also
> see if it will look good when it finally tiles well or if we should
> just drop it and use a solid background until someone comes along
> that can just make a killer pic to use.

Ya, that was looking lame.  I made a new pic and uploaded it.  I also 
made the orange font more yellow.  IMHO, it looks not bad now.

> I changed the font-family to Arial, Helvetica.  I couldn't think of
> a good third fallback and decided to just let the browser pick it. 
> Most machines have either Arial or Helvetica, though.  Arial ships
> with Windows and Helvetica is part of the base XFree86
> distribution, I believe.  So give it a look now and if it's still
> not right we'll play with sizes a little.  ;)

Fonts look good to me.  Thanks.

        Patrick

Re: [Jazzplusplus-devel] Re: Old Jazz Binary

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 11:32, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> No, I didn't drop off the list when faced with actual work.  ;-)
> Rather, I've rebuilt wxwin (1.68e) and jazz (with ALSA 0.9 patches,
> etc.) both staticly.  I'm in the process of cleaning up my RPMs for
> those.  I'll test it all after that and then I'd be ready to upload
> source and binary RPMs for lot of it.

Sounds sweet.  I look forward to trying them.

> Sound OK?  If so, then I would actually need developer access to
> CVS.

Okay, I added 'kevinc' as a developer.  BTW, if anyone needs to do 
anything that requires more priviledges, let me know and I'll upgrade 
you.

> P.S.:	Would it be possible for the "reply-to" on this list to be
> 	automaticly set to reply to the list, rather than the author?

Yep, it's been that way for a while now.

        Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 09:57 pm, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> On 21 March 2004 at 22:05, Dave Fancella <dav...@co...> wrote:
> > http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/
>
> Could we get a link to here:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jazzplusplus
>
> from there?

You couldn't have asked at a more opportune time.  I just happened to have 
Konqueror pointing at the website working on the css.  ;)

So it is done.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 03:11 pm, Patrick Earl wrote:
> I uploaded background2.png to the graphics directory.  It's not
> super-awesome, but at least it's sorta seamless.  Who knows what
> it'll look like on the site.

It's still not tiling well, but I left it there so you could see it.  It's a 
background I originally made that goes in a space that's only as high in 
pixels as the background is.  :(  So it works on my website where I've used 
it.  :)  Part of it is tiling nicely, though.  The part right in the middle.  
But you can see where the seems are on the outer edges.  It does look like 
the GIMP made it seemless like it was supposed to, though.  :)  You can also 
see if it will look good when it finally tiles well or if we should just drop 
it and use a solid background until someone comes along that can just make a 
killer pic to use.

I changed the font-family to Arial, Helvetica.  I couldn't think of a good 
third fallback and decided to just let the browser pick it.  Most machines 
have either Arial or Helvetica, though.  Arial ships with Windows and 
Helvetica is part of the base XFree86 distribution, I believe.  So give it a 
look now and if it's still not right we'll play with sizes a little.  ;)

Dave

> > Actually, remember I was going to try to factor out the track view
> > stuff?  I said I might fail and I made my tarball before that
> > because it could still build?  Remember?  ;)  I failed.  Miserably.
> >  Then my jazz timeslice ended and I've been doing websites.  My
> > jazz timeslice is coming back up, and it's my intention to start
> > with a fresh checkout, a fresh outlook, and to focus solely on
> > creating that middle layer and factoring as much into it as
> > possible.  And you've done so much with pianowin that you're
> > probably in a better position to tackle that part of trackwin
> > anyway.  So I'm going to move myself over to that little project
> > class I've been talking up so much.  ;)
>
> When you're working on the code, it would be good if you were able to
> somehow keep the current code as functional as it is.  If you need to
> duplicate stuff to make that happen, so be it.  I'd rather have
> half-ported functional code than half-ported broken code. :)  If you
> can perform the process incrementally, all the better.
>
> I think that some of the "middle layer" is in things like tSong and
> the classes that derive from tEvent.  I don't really have a clear
> vision of what all would be in the "Project" thing.  I'll keep
> plugging away at the GUI when I have time.  This week is going to be
> very busy for me, so I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on
> Jazz.
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Kevin C. <ke...@do...>]

On 21 March 2004 at 22:05, Dave Fancella <dav...@co...> wrote:

> http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/

Could we get a link to here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jazzplusplus

from there?

Thanks....

Re: [Jazzplusplus-devel] Re: Old Jazz Binary

[Kevin C. <ke...@do...>]

On 18 March 2004 at 16:06, Patrick Earl <jaz...@pa...> wrote:

> > > If you don't already have them, you'll probably need to install
> > > the data files from:
> > >
> > >     http://patearl.net/static/jazz-src-4.1.8.tar.gz
> >
> > Would it make sense to bundle both tar files together, and include
> > some instructions for using the static stuff?
> 
> Sure, it would make sense to do that, but I was a little lazy there.  
> You wanna do that Kevin?  It certainly fits under the role of 
> packaging.

No, I didn't drop off the list when faced with actual work.  ;-)
Rather, I've rebuilt wxwin (1.68e) and jazz (with ALSA 0.9 patches, 
etc.) both staticly.  I'm in the process of cleaning up my RPMs for 
those.  I'll test it all after that and then I'd be ready to upload 
source and binary RPMs for lot of it.

Sound OK?  If so, then I would actually need developer access to CVS. 

Thanks.....

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Joakim V. <jo...@ve...>]

Great Dave!

/Joakim

Dave Fancella wrote:

>All,
>
>There's a website now.  :)
>
>http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/
>
>A few questions.   :)  First, everybody go read all the copy (there's not 
>much) and make comments and stuff so I can edit it and make sure the website 
>accurately puts across the message and information we all want it to put 
>across.  I just filled it in now to make it clear what information belongs 
>where on the site and to fill out the layout so we could all see what it 
>looks like.
>
>It uses the news export feature of sourceforge, so anytime a news item is 
>added (can only be done by project admin), it'll be available on the website.  
>I like that a lot.
>
>We can add plenty of other stuff to integrate the website with sourceforge's 
>project management interfaces, according to this page:
>
>http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1502&group_id=1
>
>Let me know if you guys want more integration and so forth.  Right now we're 
>not using the tracking part of the sourceforge setup.  I'm certainly not 
>opposed to using it, and we can do a certain amount of integration between it 
>and the website, and that's always cool.
>
>Finally, for Mark, is the wiki reliable?  As in, can users always manage to 
>find it?  ;)  I went ahead and linked to it, but if there are any doubts in 
>your mind about where it's at always being available, then we should probably 
>go ahead and move it to sourceforge's webserver.
>
>That's it for me.  Tell me what you think of the design.  :)  I went for blue 
>this time.  ;)
>
>Dave
>
>  
>

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

I uploaded background2.png to the graphics directory.  It's not 
super-awesome, but at least it's sorta seamless.  Who knows what 
it'll look like on the site.

> Actually, remember I was going to try to factor out the track view
> stuff?  I said I might fail and I made my tarball before that
> because it could still build?  Remember?  ;)  I failed.  Miserably.
>  Then my jazz timeslice ended and I've been doing websites.  My
> jazz timeslice is coming back up, and it's my intention to start
> with a fresh checkout, a fresh outlook, and to focus solely on
> creating that middle layer and factoring as much into it as
> possible.  And you've done so much with pianowin that you're
> probably in a better position to tackle that part of trackwin
> anyway.  So I'm going to move myself over to that little project
> class I've been talking up so much.  ;)

When you're working on the code, it would be good if you were able to 
somehow keep the current code as functional as it is.  If you need to 
duplicate stuff to make that happen, so be it.  I'd rather have 
half-ported functional code than half-ported broken code. :)  If you 
can perform the process incrementally, all the better.

I think that some of the "middle layer" is in things like tSong and 
the classes that derive from tEvent.  I don't really have a clear 
vision of what all would be in the "Project" thing.  I'll keep 
plugging away at the GUI when I have time.  This week is going to be 
very busy for me, so I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on 
Jazz.

        Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] What's the latest on the WxWin 2.x port?

[Joakim V. <jo...@ve...>]

Dave Fancella wrote:

>
>With the audio/midi, I strongly recommend just dropping wav playback for now.  
>We can use softsynths like Timidity for wav playback, so this code doesn't 
>*need* to be in Jazz at the moment.  I've no problems re-adding wav playback 
>later, but in the push to simplify things, I strongly suggest dropping it now 
>and working on a solid midi implementation.  The midi stuff that's there is 
>already pretty good, but....
>  
>
I agree with removin audio playback stuff. Modularity is the strength of
the linux audio plattform.

Regards
/Joakim

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 12:11 pm, Patrick Earl wrote:
> Uh, I did a little seamlessing in gimp and I tried to upload it, but
> it wouldn't let me write to the directories or change the
> permissions.  Can you ssh in and do a:
>     chmod -R g+w /home/groups/j/ja/jazzplusplus/htdocs

Done.

> Can I convince you to use the default font size? :)  If the default
> size is too large for you, perhaps you could change your brower
> settings.  If you really don't want to make it any larger, perhaps
> you could change it to a font without serifs, something like
> "helvetica, arial".

I'll play with the actual fonts.  It is using the default font itself right 
now.  If that doesn't work, *grudgingly* and it's that important to you 
*whiningly*, I'll up the size again.  I can go for 90%, or other percentages 
and see if there's a happy medium.

> BTW, I'd suggest making changes to Jazz and committing as soon as
> possible.  I don't know how much you've used CVS, but you're probably
> going to get conflicts when you update your source so you can commit.
> The longer you wait, the more of a pain it'll be to merge things.

Actually, remember I was going to try to factor out the track view stuff?  I 
said I might fail and I made my tarball before that because it could still 
build?  Remember?  ;)  I failed.  Miserably.  Then my jazz timeslice ended 
and I've been doing websites.  My jazz timeslice is coming back up, and it's 
my intention to start with a fresh checkout, a fresh outlook, and to focus 
solely on creating that middle layer and factoring as much into it as 
possible.  And you've done so much with pianowin that you're probably in a 
better position to tackle that part of trackwin anyway.  So I'm going to move 
myself over to that little project class I've been talking up so much.  ;)

So in short, not a problem.  ;)

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

> There's also a nice background in the /graphics directory that
> unfortunately didn't tile well.  If someone could make it tile, I'd
> rather use that.  It's called background.png, and you can hit it
> with your browser at
> http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/graphics/background.png

Uh, I did a little seamlessing in gimp and I tried to upload it, but 
it wouldn't let me write to the directories or change the 
permissions.  Can you ssh in and do a:
    chmod -R g+w /home/groups/j/ja/jazzplusplus/htdocs

> Could you add a news item saying the website's up?  ;)  And also
> throw in there something about moving, and whether or not this is
> actually a fork of jazz++ (I assume it is, but the original
> developers might just want to 'pass the torch').

Done.

> > Looks pretty decent.  The font could be a little bigger for me.
>
> Font size is always tricky.  If you have access to a windows box,
> point IE at it and let me know what you wind up with.  I'm 99%
> certain that font-size in IE will be a couple of points larger than
> it is in whatever browser you used that wasn't IE.  ;)  I *always*
> use relative font sizes, and in this case there's just a directive
> in the css to make the font-size: smaller; .  It's too big for me
> at it's default size, and Mozilla shrinks it a little more than IE.
>  Or maybe IE just starts out bigger.

Can I convince you to use the default font size? :)  If the default 
size is too large for you, perhaps you could change your brower 
settings.  If you really don't want to make it any larger, perhaps 
you could change it to a font without serifs, something like 
"helvetica, arial".

BTW, I'd suggest making changes to Jazz and committing as soon as 
possible.  I don't know how much you've used CVS, but you're probably 
going to get conflicts when you update your source so you can commit.  
The longer you wait, the more of a pain it'll be to merge things.

        Patrick

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Dave F. <dav...@co...>]

On Monday 22 March 2004 09:12 am, Patrick Earl wrote:
> On Sunday 21 March 2004 15:05, Dave Fancella wrote:
> > There's a website now.  :)
>
> Sweet. :)
>
> > A few questions.   :)  First, everybody go read all the copy
> > (there's not much) and make comments and stuff so I can edit it and
> > make sure the website accurately puts across the message and
> > information we all want it to put across.  I just filled it in now
> > to make it clear what information belongs where on the site and to
> > fill out the layout so we could all see what it looks like.
>
> Is it using some sort of template system to display the standard code
> on each page?  I didn't have a chance to look at the source.

Sorta.  Uses the require_once() statement to include common files.  And css, 
of course.  There's little reason for this site to ever grow much bigger than 
it is, so it shouldn't ever be a pain to maintain.  The parts that should 
grow, such as documentation and news, are already handled by applications 
suited for the purpose.  So, there's a /include/leftnav.php , a 
/include/footer.php , and a so-far unused /include/header.php .  If it 
becomes necessary to add a header, then the header.php file should get filled 
in and all the pages updated to use it.

There's also a nice background in the /graphics directory that unfortunately 
didn't tile well.  If someone could make it tile, I'd rather use that.  It's 
called background.png, and you can hit it with your browser at 
http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/graphics/background.png

> Anyways, the content looks good.  I couldn't think of anything to add
> off the top of my head.
>
> > It uses the news export feature of sourceforge, so anytime a news
> > item is added (can only be done by project admin), it'll be
> > available on the website. I like that a lot.
>
> Er, I guess that's me.  If anyone wants news added, lemme know and I
> can add it.  If you keep having news, I'll probably just add you as a
> project admin too.

Could you add a news item saying the website's up?  ;)  And also throw in 
there something about moving, and whether or not this is actually a fork of 
jazz++ (I assume it is, but the original developers might just want to 'pass 
the torch').

> > That's it for me.  Tell me what you think of the design.  :)  I
> > went for blue this time.  ;)
>
> Looks pretty decent.  The font could be a little bigger for me.

Font size is always tricky.  If you have access to a windows box, point IE at 
it and let me know what you wind up with.  I'm 99% certain that font-size in 
IE will be a couple of points larger than it is in whatever browser you used 
that wasn't IE.  ;)  I *always* use relative font sizes, and in this case 
there's just a directive in the css to make the font-size: smaller; .  It's 
too big for me at it's default size, and Mozilla shrinks it a little more 
than IE.  Or maybe IE just starts out bigger.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] New Website, hurray!

[Patrick E. <pa...@pa...>]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 15:05, Dave Fancella wrote:
> There's a website now.  :)

Sweet. :)

> A few questions.   :)  First, everybody go read all the copy
> (there's not much) and make comments and stuff so I can edit it and
> make sure the website accurately puts across the message and
> information we all want it to put across.  I just filled it in now
> to make it clear what information belongs where on the site and to
> fill out the layout so we could all see what it looks like.

Is it using some sort of template system to display the standard code 
on each page?  I didn't have a chance to look at the source.

Anyways, the content looks good.  I couldn't think of anything to add 
off the top of my head.

> It uses the news export feature of sourceforge, so anytime a news
> item is added (can only be done by project admin), it'll be
> available on the website. I like that a lot.

Er, I guess that's me.  If anyone wants news added, lemme know and I 
can add it.  If you keep having news, I'll probably just add you as a 
project admin too.

> That's it for me.  Tell me what you think of the design.  :)  I
> went for blue this time.  ;)

Looks pretty decent.  The font could be a little bigger for me.

        Patrick