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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Configuration file for jazz++ ?

[Robert V. <vo...@ct...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...>
To: <jaz...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Configuration file for jazz++ ?


> RV = Robert Vogel
> RV> Anyone on this list ?
>
> Yes.
>
> RV> I downloaded jazz++ the other day, started
> RV> looking it over, and did not find a ./configuration
> RV> file that was usable.
>
> Did you use subversion to download the source?
>
> RV> Anyone have such a file?
>
> If you are using the version from the subversion repository, there is no
> configure file distributed with it.  This file is generated by running
>
> ./bootstrap
>
> from the jazzplusplus/trunk/jazz directory.
>
> Keep in mind that I am currently trying to revive this project and am
> slowly making progress.
>
> Pete
>
Hi Pete,

Thanks for your reply. I am going to attempt to compile jazz++ on my Debian 
4.0 stable machine.

Bob

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] SVN Commit Message Mailing List

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

There is a new mailing list for SVN commit messages.  You can subscribe 
by visiting

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jazzplusplus-updates

Patrick, if you are listening, I figured out how to modify the other 
lists, but I had to change the mailing list pass word to do it.

Contact me off list if you ever need it.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

Sure, that'd be fine.


On 3/16/08 2:44 PM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> I have extensive experience developing in Linux
> PS>> and Windows, but none on the Mac.  What would
> PS>> you recommend for a Mac development system?
> 
> L = Leland
> L> I would expect a Mac Mini would be sufficient as
> L> a build/test platform since you'd do doing
> L> development on your main machine(s).
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I have some questions about this, but this
> is getting far enough off-topic that I think I'll email you directly.
> Is that OK?
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I have extensive experience developing in Linux
PS>> and Windows, but none on the Mac.  What would
PS>> you recommend for a Mac development system?

L = Leland
L> I would expect a Mac Mini would be sufficient as
L> a build/test platform since you'd do doing
L> development on your main machine(s).

Thanks for the suggestion.  I have some questions about this, but this 
is getting far enough off-topic that I think I'll email you directly. 
Is that OK?

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

On 3/16/08 2:14 PM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:
> 
> I have extensive experience developing in Linux and Windows, but none on
> the Mac.  What would you recommend for a Mac development system?
> 
I would expect a Mac Mini would be sufficient as a build/test platform since
you'd do doing development on your main machine(s).

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] SVN Commit Message Mailing List

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS> Patrick,
PS>
PS> Are you out there?  From the mailman interface for
PS> the Jazz++ mailing lists, it looks like you are the
PS> mail list maintainer.
PS>
PS> Is there any chance of creating a new mailing list
PS> for SVN commit message?

I think I figured this one out.  I just created a list called 
jazzplusplus-update.

I believe I still will need help with the following...

PS> Also, could the default reply for the Jazz++ user's
PS> list be changed to the list instead of the original
PS> poster?

Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] SVN Commit Message Mailing List

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

Patrick,

Are you out there?  From the mailman interface for the Jazz++ mailing 
lists, it looks like you are the mail list maintainer.

Is there any chance of creating a new mailing list for SVN commit message?

If you can, replies to the SVN commit message list should be 
automatically reply to this list.  I can setup SVN to send commit 
messages to the new list.

Also, could the default reply for the Jazz++ user's list be changed to 
the list instead of the original poster?

If you are too busy, I would be willing to do these administrative 
tasks, but I think you are the only one who can at this point.  Let me 
know if I'm missing something.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I don't have this problem.  I just did a clean build
PS>> and didn't get any complaints.  Could you let me know
PS>> where (which source module) you had to add the include?

L = Leland
L> These needed the include:
L>
L> Dialogs.cpp
L> EventWindow.cpp
L> MouseAction.cpp
L> Player.cpp
L> PropertyListDialog.cpp
L>
L> And these needed the wxString():
L>
L> Audio.cpp
L> GuitarSettingsDialog.cpp
L> Harmony.cpp
L>
L> This was with a stock Widgets build.  After rebuilding
L> according to your instructions (which worked perfectly),
L> these changes were not needed.

Thank you for trying this.  I really appreciate it.

Today I'm working on preventing flicker in the track window when 
updating.  I'm going to start a separate thread to see if I can get the 
projects mailing list maintainer to create another list for SVN commit 
messages.  If that actually happens, you can subscribe to the new list 
to track my progress.

I have extensive experience developing in Linux and Windows, but none on 
the Mac.  What would you recommend for a Mac development system?

Thanks again for trying the described wxWidgets build.
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

On 3/16/08 10:35 AM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> I don't have this problem.  I just did a clean build and didn't get any
> complaints.  Could you let me know where (which source module) you had
> to add the include?

These needed the include:

Dialogs.cpp
EventWindow.cpp
MouseAction.cpp
Player.cpp
PropertyListDialog.cpp

And these needed the wxString():

Audio.cpp
GuitarSettingsDialog.cpp
Harmony.cpp

This was with a stock Widgets build.  After rebuilding according to your
instructions (which worked perfectly), these changes were not needed.

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>>  Let me know if you have any difficulties.

L = Leland
L> Awesome...plays like a charm.  I see you took the
L> smart approach (unlike me) and pulled most of the
L> incomplete dialogs and wound up with a decent base.
L>
L> There were a couple of build problems.  The first
L> was related to "cout" not being defined.  Just
L> added an include for iostream to get around it.

I don't have this problem.  I just did a clean build and didn't get any 
complaints.  Could you let me know where (which source module) you had 
to add the include?

L> The other was a few of these:
L>
L> 1>------ Build started: Project: A JazzPlusPlus Application,
L> Configuration: Debug GUI VC8 Win32 ------
L> 1>Compiling...
L> 1>Audio.cpp
L> 1>..\src\Audio.cpp(956) : error C2666: 'wxDialog::wxDialog' : 2
L> overloads have similar conversions
L> 1>        C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My
L> Documents\wxMSW-2.8.7\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx/msw/dialog.h(105):
L> could be 'wxDialog::wxDialog(wxWindow *,const wxString
L> &,bool,int,int,int,int,long,const wxString &)'
L> 1>        C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My
L> Documents\wxMSW-2.8.7\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx/msw/dialog.h(33): or
L> 'wxDialog::wxDialog(wxWindow *,wxWindowID,const wxString &,const wxPoint
L> &,const wxSize &,long,const wxString &)'
L> 1>        while trying to match the argument list '(wxWindow *, , const
L> char [16])'
L> 1>Build log was saved at "file://c:\Documents and
L> Settings\Administrator\My Documents\jazzplusplus\trunk\jazz\vc8\Debug
L> GUI VC8\BuildLog.htm"
L> 1>A JazzPlusPlus Application - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s)
L> ========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped 
==========
L>
L> Just wrapped the title in a wxString() to get it to build.

After looking at all of the errors and warnings you posted, I believe I 
know what is causing the problem.  I'm guessing I built wxWidgets with 
different options than you.  I change some settings in setup.h before 
running nmake with the Microsoft tools.  Here's how I build wxWidgets...

1. Download wxMSW-2.8.7.zip from the wxWidgets web site.
2. Extract the zip file to C:\ExternalPackages.  Extracting creates a 
wxMSW-2.8.7 directory directly under C:\ExternalPackages.
3. Change the name of the top-level wxWidgets directory to 
wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8 so I can have other versions of wxWidgets built with 
other compilers in parallel with this directory.
4. Download wxWidgets-2.8.7-CHM.zip from the wxWidgets web site.
5. Extract the zip file to C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8. This 
installs the compiled HTML help files for wxWidgets and tex2rtf.
6. Download wxWidgets-2.8.7-HTML.zip from the wxWidgets web site.
7. Extract the zip file to C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8. This 
installs the HTML help files for wxWidgets and tex2rtf.
8. Make the following changes to 
C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx\msw\setup.h:

Macro                        From      To
WXWIN_COMPATIBILITY_2_6         1       0
wxUSE_STD_IOSTREAM              0       1
wxUSE_IOSTREAMH                 1       0
wxUSE_GLCANVAS                  0       1

We don't really need the OpnGL code for this project, but I use it on 
other projects.  I want to eventually change wxUSE_STL from 0 to 1, but 
a while ago there was a bug reported in this implementation on the 
wxWidgets developers list.

9. Edit C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx\msw\wx.rc and 
comment out the following line.

     #include "wx/msw/wince/wince.rc"

10. Use Start | All Programs | Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2005 | 
Visual Studio .NET Tools | Visual Studio .NET 2005 Command Prompt to 
start a console session.
11. Ensure that the command-line compiler and tools (including nmake) 
are installed and ready to run.
12. Change directory to C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\build\msw.
13. Build the debug static version of the wxWidgets libraries by typing:

nmake BUILD=debug SHARED=0 USE_OPENGL=1 -f makefile.vc

14. Build the release static version of the wxWidgets libraries by typing:

nmake BUILD=release SHARED=0 USE_OPENGL=1 -f makefile.vc

15. Remove the build directories (vc_msw and vc_mswd) under 
c:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\build\msw.
16. Change directory to 
C:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\utils\tex2rtf\src.
17. Build the release static version of tex2rtf by typing:

nmake BUILD=release SHARED=0 -f makefile.vc

18. Create a directory for the tex2rtf binaries under the wxWidgets 
distribution (c:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\bin).
19. Move the tex2rtf binaries from 
c:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\utils\tex2rtf\src \vc_msw. to 
c:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\bin.
20. Remove the build directory (vc_msw) under 
c:\ExternalPackages\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\utils\tex2rtf\src.

Leland, I hope you had the patience to follow all of that ;-)

I really appreciate your attempt to build the code and report the 
problems you had.  This is exactly what I'm looking for in terms of 
build feedback.  I need to post the instructions listed above on the 
Jazz++ web site so others understand what I'm up to.

I know this is asking a lot, but if you could build version 2.8.7 of 
wxWidgets described above and try it with the code in SVN I would really 
appreciate it.

Thanks again for the very useful feedback,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

On 3/15/08 10:37 PM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:
> 
> Let me know if you have any difficulties.
> 
Awesome...plays like a charm.  I see you took the smart approach (unlike me)
and pulled most of the incomplete dialogs and wound up with a decent base.

There were a couple of build problems.  The first was related to "cout" not
being defined.  Just added an include for iostream to get around it.

The other was a few of these:

1>------ Build started: Project: A JazzPlusPlus Application, Configuration:
Debug GUI VC8 Win32 ------
1>Compiling...
1>Audio.cpp
1>..\src\Audio.cpp(956) : error C2666: 'wxDialog::wxDialog' : 2 overloads
have similar conversions
1>        C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My
Documents\wxMSW-2.8.7\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx/msw/dialog.h(105): could be
'wxDialog::wxDialog(wxWindow *,const wxString
&,bool,int,int,int,int,long,const wxString &)'
1>        C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My
Documents\wxMSW-2.8.7\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8\include\wx/msw/dialog.h(33): or
'wxDialog::wxDialog(wxWindow *,wxWindowID,const wxString &,const wxPoint
&,const wxSize &,long,const wxString &)'
1>        while trying to match the argument list '(wxWindow *, , const char
[16])'
1>Build log was saved at "file://c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My
Documents\jazzplusplus\trunk\jazz\vc8\Debug GUI VC8\BuildLog.htm"
1>A JazzPlusPlus Application - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s)
========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========

Just wrapped the title in a wxString() to get it to build.

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

On 3/15/08 10:37 PM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:
> 
> jazzplusplus/trunk/jazz/vc8
> 
> and it called JazzPlusPlus-VC8.sln.  It uses an environment variable
> called EXT_PKGS to find the wxWidgets package.  I typically create
> C:\ExternalPackages and put the wxMSW version of wxWidgets in this
> directory.  You will see $(EXT_PKGS)\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8 in the project
> setting in various places.
> 
> Let me know if you have any difficulties.
> 
Will do.

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Today I made a post on the users list looking for
PS>> "innocent victims" to attempt to build the version
PS>> of the code in the trunk so that I can add decent
PS>> build instructions on the web site.  If you get
PS>> an opportunity to try this I would be willing to
PS>> help you.

L = Leland
L> I'll give it a try.  I too have VS8 (Pro) and VS9
L> (Express) installed, so I'll try VS8 first.

Great.  I appreciate it.  The VS8 solution is under

jazzplusplus/trunk/jazz/vc8

and it called JazzPlusPlus-VC8.sln.  It uses an environment variable 
called EXT_PKGS to find the wxWidgets package.  I typically create 
C:\ExternalPackages and put the wxMSW version of wxWidgets in this 
directory.  You will see $(EXT_PKGS)\wxMSW-2.8.7-VC8 in the project 
setting in various places.

Let me know if you have any difficulties.

Thanks again,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

On 3/15/08 10:14 PM, "Pete Stieber" <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> Do you have access to a Windows box?
> 
Actually, I work on Windows, Linux, and Mac.  I just prefer to do initial
work on the Mac and then migrate it to the others.  I've recently been
working with OpenSolaris as well, but don't intend to do much with that
after March 31st.

> Today I made a post on the users list looking for "innocent victims" to
> attempt to build the version of the code in the trunk so that I can add
> decent build instructions on the web site.  If you get an opportunity to
> try this I would be willing to help you.
> 
I'll give it a try.  I too have VS8 (Pro) and VS9 (Express) installed, so
I'll try VS8 first.

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

L = Leland
L> I'd be interested in a Jazz revival too.  I have the CVS
L> code from about about September '07 running on wxWidgets
L> 2.6/2.8 on the Mac.

I converted the CVS repository to Subversion in January.  You can access 
it by following the instructions at

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/subversion/

L> It even plays via the latest portmidi.  I've gotten a lot
L> of the incomplete dialogs "working" but not necessarily
L> correctly...I just wanted to get them to compile and accept
L> input.
L>
L> While I develop on the Mac, my intentions of getting
L> Jazz++ working was actually targeting Windows with the
L> main goal of making it accessible to visually impaired
L> users.

The current Subversion trunk compiles on a Windows box using XP or Vista 
using either Visual Studio .NET 2005 (VS8) or Visual Studio .NET 2008 
(VS9) and works with wxWidgets 2.8.7.

I have the same source building on Fedora 8 using GCC 4.1.2 and the
WX_2_8_BRANCH of wxWidgets.

The trunk is only partially implemented, but has the ability to read and 
play a MIDI file.

L> I haven't gotten to the point of integrating accessibility
L> yet though and thought contributing to the revival might
L> be more productive to begin with.

Sounds good.

L> For background, I currently participate in Audacity
L> development and was responsible for making it more
L> accessible to VI users.

I am a frequent user of Audacity on Windows and Linux boxes.

L> Holler, if y'all need some help.  I will be finishing
L> another project on March 31st and I'll be starting back
L> up on my Jazz work as I hope to have something at least
L> partially usable by June for my wife's birthday.

Do you have access to a Windows box?

Today I made a post on the users list looking for "innocent victims" to 
attempt to build the version of the code in the trunk so that I can add 
decent build instructions on the web site.  If you get an opportunity to 
try this I would be willing to help you.

Leland, thanks for your interest in Jazz++,
Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz Revival

[Leland <ja...@ho...>]

I'd be interested in a Jazz revival too.  I have the CVS code from about
about September '07 running on wxWidgets 2.6/2.8 on the Mac.  It even plays
via the latest portmidi.  I've gotten a lot of the incomplete dialogs
"working" but not necessarily correctly...I just wanted to get them to
compile and accept input.

While I develop on the Mac, my intentions of getting Jazz++ working was
actually targeting Windows with the main goal of making it accessible to
visually impaired users.

I haven't gotten to the point of integrating accessibility yet though and
thought contributing to the revival might be more productive to begin with.

For background, I currently participate in Audacity development and was
responsible for making it more accessible to VI users.

Holler, if y'all need some help.  I will be finishing another project on
March 31st and I'll be starting back up on my Jazz work as I hope to have
something at least partially usable by June for my wife's birthday.

Leland

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Configuration file for jazz++ ?

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

RV = Robert Vogel
RV> Anyone on this list ?

Yes.

RV> I downloaded jazz++ the other day, started
RV> looking it over, and did not find a ./configuration
RV> file that was usable.

Did you use subversion to download the source?

RV> Anyone have such a file?

If you are using the version from the subversion repository, there is no 
configure file distributed with it.  This file is generated by running

./bootstrap

from the jazzplusplus/trunk/jazz directory.

Keep in mind that I am currently trying to revive this project and am 
slowly making progress.

Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] Configuration file for jazz++ ?

[Robert V. <vo...@ct...>]

Anyone on this list ? 

I downloaded jazz++ the other day, started looking it over, and did not find a ./configuration file that was usable.

Anyone have such a file ?

Bob

[jazzplusplus-devel] State of Current CVS code

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

I was wondering if I could be given commit privileges for the Jazz++ CVS 
repository.

I don't think I'm telling the folks who started this version of the 
project anything they don't already know, but I'm not sure a Jazz++ 
installation is even possible on a modern Linux system.  I have a Fedora 
Core 7 system and I tried to build and install the current CVS version 
with a modern version of wxWidgets (the latest stable version is 2.8.7 
but the latest version packaged for Fedora 7 is 2.8.4) installed.  I had 
to fix a couple of minor issues with the configure.in file provided with 
the Jazz++ distribution.  I added parentheses around the AC_MSG_RESULT 
arguments and I would like to commit this.

I made it past the ./bootstrap step without any errors or warnings.

Next I ran the following line from ./rebuild.

$ ./configure --enable-alsa=yes --enable-sequencer2=yes

This worked too.

Next I tried to build the code using the next line from rebuild.

$ make

This command started compiling code in the xrc directory under the 
Jazz++ distribution.  Unfortunately there were errors during this step. 
  I started fixing them, but noticed that the xrc code was taken from 
the wxWidgets distribution.  The xrc code is provided with the wxWidgets 
code, so I removed this directory from the top-level Makefile.am file 
and started the whole process over.

This time, when I reached the make step, the code in jazz/src was being 
compiled.  The code is using wxWidgets constructs that have long since 
been removed.  The code is suffering from severe "bit rot" and needs to 
be reworked.  I'm wondering if it is even possible to build the CVS code 
on any recent Linux distribution.

I'm trying to update the code, but there is a lot of coding work to do.

I started by generating a new Visual Studio .NET 2005 Jazz++ solution 
and project file and started porting the code using wxWidgets 2.8.7.  So 
far I only have the guitar window working.

Also the top-level directory README file that contains...

see doc

Unfortunately there is no doc directory currently in the CVS repository. 
  After some googling, I found an old Jazz++ distribution 
(jazz-src-4.1.3.tar.gz) that contained the missing doc directory.

This version contained an old Visual Studio 5 project file.  I dredged 
up the old wxWindows version (1.68E) that it was compiled with and 
converted the tar ball provided Jazz++ project to Visual Studio 6 (I 
still have that old compiler loaded) and built the old wxWindows 
distribution using VC6.  It took a while because I had to fix some wx 
code and get compiler setting to match between the projects, but I'm 
happy to say I have version 4.1.3 built using VC6.

I think it might be a good idea to create a branch and commit the old 
code.  It allows me to create a binary that I can use to see what the 
new code should be doing and others may wish to do the same.

Let me know,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 4 January 2008 at 15:14, Dave Fancella <da...@da...> wrote:

> RoseGarden is fun, but last I used it it was still wildly unstable.

I've been using Rosegarden for a while now, a couple of years at 
least.  Version 1.5 is the last I've used heavily.  They're on 
version 1.6.1 now, which fixes a tempo ramping bug I've run into.
It seems quite solid to me.  If you ever get some time, you might 
give it another whirl.

Cheers.... 
--
Kevin

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Dave F. <da...@da...>]

On Friday 04 January 2008 2:37:23 pm Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> > Maybe you guys are indirectly suggesting that I fork Jazz++ if I want to
> > continue with wxWidgets development?  I'd be OK with that.  Just let me
> > know.
>
> I wasn't suggesting that.  I was just wondering if there was any
> interest in changing GUI kits.

To be honest, we've done nothing in several years, may as well just hand him 
the keys.  :)  If a working version of Jazz++ appeared, I'd almost definitely 
use it.  RoseGarden is fun, but last I used it it was still wildly unstable.

If you guys were interested in starting from scratch with PyQt4, I might be 
able to find some time to help, but don't make that decision expecting my 
help.  I have toyed with the idea of building a midi sequencer with python 
off and on, and can say that the libraries are definitely out there to do it.  
Mostly what I want is a drum machine that works more organically, but 
honestly I've picked up my bass twice in the last 6 months, and haven't 
picked up my guitar at all.  I wonder sometimes if I even have time to think 
anymore.  ;)

These days I'm in school full-time, working part time, my wife's working 
full-time (luckily all of my kids are in school, so we can find time for all 
this busy-ness).  I just put together a team to compete for the Google Lunar 
XPrize, and right this minute my two highest priorities are installing a 
dishwasher my wife's supposed to bring home any minute, and to finish my 
PyQt4-based accounting program so I can focus on the GLXP project some before 
school starts again.  I work at the school, so I've been spending the break 
working on this accounting program.

On the flip side, if you guys are interested in competing for the Google Lunar 
XPrize, I can definitely use some help in the programming end.  We can use 
all sorts of help (most of the programmers I initially recruited haven't done 
much), but for anything besides programming, there are logistic issues, 
particularly if you build parts that have to be shipped here to Austin.

Dave

> Thanks....
>
>
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> Kevin
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Dave F. <da...@da...>]

On Friday 04 January 2008 1:31:53 pm Pete Stieber wrote:
> Out of curiosity, what would you use... bugzilla?

You guys would pick.  :)  I have a preference for flyspray because it's small 
and light on server resources, and easy to install, but like i said, I've got 
too much on my plate right now to take on another project, so since you guys 
would have to deal with it, you guys get to pick.  :)  Sourceforge's trackers 
work, however, but they suck worse than a brand new hoover.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 4 January 2008 at 11:23, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> I'm only interested in a wxWidgets version, but I understand where you 
> guys are coming from.  I guess we could attempt to separate GUI code as 
> much as possible and have separate Qt and wx GUI ports.

Factoring the code that way seems like a good idea for many reasons, 
including being able to adapt to newer versions of the same GUI tool 
kit, whatever kit that may be.

> Maybe you guys are indirectly suggesting that I fork Jazz++ if I want to 
> continue with wxWidgets development?  I'd be OK with that.  Just let me 
> know.

I wasn't suggesting that.  I was just wondering if there was any 
interest in changing GUI kits.

Thanks....


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Kevin

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 4 January 2008 at 11:56, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> I guess this is getting off topic, but which Linux disto?

I overlooked answering that I've used several versions of Mandrake 
and Mandriva with the 1010.

Cheers....
 
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Kevin

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Jazz++ Development Revival

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 4 January 2008 at 11:56, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> PS>> I use Audacity on Windows and Linux for recording.
> PS>> I generate sheet music using lilypond on both Linux
> PS>> and Windows.  I would love to use Linux exclusively,
> PS>> but my place of work primarily uses Windows and I
> PS>> have an M-Audio Delta 1010 that only has Windows
> PS>> and MAC drivers so that's why I'm interested in the
> PS>> Windows Jazz++ port.
> 
> KC = Kevin Cosgrove
> KC> I use my M-Audio Delta 1010 exclusively with Linux.
> 
> I guess this is getting off topic, but which Linux disto?
> 
> Are there OS Delta 1010 drivers, or did you get them from M-Audio?

The Linux ALSA drivers for the Delta 1010 are fantastic.  Those in 
combination with the applications (e.g. Ardour) and the envy24control 
"mixer" for it allow full utilization.  I have a 2nd 1010 that I'm 
planning to slave to my first.

Cheers....
 
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Kevin