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From: Robert D <ro...@op...> - 2003-12-13 13:20:55
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While i am not origionly a java programmer, i think i would know enough to put together something like that. Problem is i cant do much untill a way is found to get my 3g ipod to work with firewire :) ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular > > dial? I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - > > basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and > > triagles originating from the center determine letters. It's a > > unistroke method.) That seems like it *might* be able to be done with > > a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small > > movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it. > > > > > > > > Hello, > this is my first posrt to this group. i am reading the list since quite > a while now, but as i am not a programmer and my programming knowledge > is limited to basic realbasic handling, so i am probably not good in > guessing programming capabilities. > but as i think when the wave of linuxpodding is starting to roll we > will want to have a more comfortable ways of accesssing some kind of > text input. as nearly everybody has a little keypad with him nowadays > (remeber the little thingy in your pocket that sometimes make strange > sounds and starts vibrating?) i think the best ways would be if there > was a firewire connector for bluetooth of IrDA and a java cell phone. > it works with your mac, so why not with the ipod? is there any java > delevopper among us that is able to write such an app for cell phones? > i think this would be really great! > then you could even develop your apps ON your ipod (as mentioned in > this thread before) > ;-) > > what do you think about this? might this be possible in some time? > > greetings from bavaria to all ipodders and those who are gonna be one! > > Ronja > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel |
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From: Ronja W. <ro...@wi...> - 2003-12-13 08:58:34
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> > Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular > dial? I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - > basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and > triagles originating from the center determine letters. It's a > unistroke method.) That seems like it *might* be able to be done with > a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small > movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it. > > > Hello, this is my first posrt to this group. i am reading the list since quite a while now, but as i am not a programmer and my programming knowledge is limited to basic realbasic handling, so i am probably not good in guessing programming capabilities. but as i think when the wave of linuxpodding is starting to roll we will want to have a more comfortable ways of accesssing some kind of text input. as nearly everybody has a little keypad with him nowadays (remeber the little thingy in your pocket that sometimes make strange sounds and starts vibrating?) i think the best ways would be if there was a firewire connector for bluetooth of IrDA and a java cell phone. it works with your mac, so why not with the ipod? is there any java delevopper among us that is able to write such an app for cell phones? i think this would be really great! then you could even develop your apps ON your ipod (as mentioned in this thread before) ;-) what do you think about this? might this be possible in some time? greetings from bavaria to all ipodders and those who are gonna be one! Ronja |
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From: Jim W. <js...@bl...> - 2003-12-13 06:57:48
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[For altkeyboard people: This message is from the iPodLinux dev list] > The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of > input even when you have it set to locked. This is cool now that I can > write programs for it! Do you mean write program for it (cross-develop) or *on* it? If the second, it raises an interesting question: Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular dial? I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and triagles originating from the center determine letters. It's a unistroke method.) That seems like it *might* be able to be done with a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it. Another idea I though of would be to assign different letters different distances from an origin, and then either have a "stoke out/stoke back" count as one char, and the next character would be a similar stroke either on the same side or the other side (consonants on one side, vowels on the other like Dvorak perhaps). Or just have the stoke distance before it reverses be a letter, maybe with a finger up or tap be a period (or maybe not). Spaces would be interesting, since they occur so frequently, and you don't want them to be too hard or strainful to perform. Jim Witte js...@bl... Indiana University CS |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-13 04:36:19
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Got hello working properly. Jeff explained why I should be returning 0 instead of 1. For some reason I don't remember doing that the last time I was programming in C. I ran Daniel's binary on the g2 iPod, and it seemed to work fine. For some reason, /etc/rc doesn't get called. I'm not sure where else to put programs I want running on startup. The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of input even when you have it set to locked. Once you unlock the scroll wheel and keys, all the characters you've hit stream in. Might be good to fix for keeping the ipod in your pocket. This is cool now that I can write programs for it! Dave |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-12 22:24:38
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I wrote my first program for the iPod today. As is customary, I had to appease the computer programming gods with a "Hello, World!" application :) I don't have telnet working since I haven't gotten the firewire working on the old one 'cause I'm using hda4 with an ext3 partition instead of UMSDOS, so I had to name my program 'l'. This way I can use the scroll wheel.
Anyway, it worked, but I was curious why an error message results when the process is complete... "pid 60: Failed 256". Is there a smoother way to exit than simply returning from main.
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
printf( "Hello, World!\n" );
return 1;
}
Dave
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From: <One...@ao...> - 2003-12-12 20:54:14
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I have the Mac OS X binary arm tool chain before you had to pay for the free GNU package, if necessary I can upload it however I have a 56k modem so I would like to avoid that if possible :) I also found this helpful link if anyone here is trying to compile the arm chain tools for OS X http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html Cheers Jeff N. |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-12 19:08:19
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Nevermind... I got it to work. I appears I neglected a command because it was on the other page of my instructions. By the way, instructions coming soon :) |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-12 18:55:42
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Has anyone attempted creating an ext3 filesystem on the g2 iPod? I surmised a possible reason my kernel wasn't properly booting was due to not having UMSDOS support in the kernel on my desktop machine, though I don't believe that's required unless you choose to use the romfs directory after building uClinux. So I tried creating an ext3 filesystem the same way I did for the g3 ipod. fdisk tells me everything's fine, but actually running "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda4 /mnt/ipod" results in an error... "Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sd(8,4)... wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4 or too many mounted filesystems". This all works fine on the g3 ipod. Dave |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-12 18:54:56
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Has anyone attempted creating an ext3 filesystem on the g2 iPod? I surmised a possible reason my kernel wasn't properly booting was due to not having UMSDOS support in the kernel on my desktop machine, though I don't believe that's required unless you choose to use the romfs directory after building uClinux. So I tried creating an ext3 filesystem the same way I did for the g3 ipod. fdisk tells me everything's fine, but actually running "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda4 /mnt/ipod" results in an error... "Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sd(8,4)... wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4 or too many mounted filesystems". This all works fine on the g3 ipod. Dave |
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-12-06 20:24:30
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Hi Robert, You can't install firmware 1.2x or 1.3 on your 3g iPod. You can though use the new boot-loader tools on the 2.x firmware. If you can build your own kernel then disable firewire and it should even boot. cheers, bern. On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 07:03, Robert D wrote: > Heya guys, > > This is my first message to the mailing list. Anyways, i have a 30gb > 3g ipod, and even though i know it most probably wouldnt work, i would > like to put linux on it just for fun. > > The problem is that on the build documentation it says that you need > firmware 1.2x, i am having loads of trouble trying to get on 1.2x > firmware at all, would it matter too much if i used a different > firmware version? |
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From: Robert D <ro...@op...> - 2003-12-05 05:07:04
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Heya guys, This is my first message to the mailing list. Anyways, i have a 30gb 3g = ipod, and even though i know it most probably wouldnt work, i would like = to put linux on it just for fun. The problem is that on the build documentation it says that you need = firmware 1.2x, i am having loads of trouble trying to get on 1.2x = firmware at all, would it matter too much if i used a different firmware = version? |
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-12-02 20:52:09
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Hi David, Glad you sorted out the image. If you end up a good-looking (hopefully not too stoned looking ;) tux please post a patch! cheers, bern. On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 20:05, David Piasecki wrote: > Where is the tux image stored, and how might I put a different tux image (say that nifty graphic on the ipodlinux website) in there? > > David > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-02 19:35:38
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Nevermind. I guess I didn't download the source before. I've got the tux.c file now. David |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-12-02 19:05:56
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Where is the tux image stored, and how might I put a different tux image (say that nifty graphic on the ipodlinux website) in there? David |
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-11-30 12:15:57
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Hi Russ, Yes you will need to apply the patch. If I remember correctly you can ping the remote machine but the telnet fails due to the arp lookups failing. cheers, bern. On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 08:06, russ mcl wrote: > Hello > > Im trying to telnet into my ipod and i keep getting connection refused > messages. I haven't rebuilt my kernel with the firewire patch the website > describes, but I can see the correct interface when i run ifconfig -a and > the ipod returns my pings. My question is, is this an error that could be > caused by not fixing the firewire, or is my ipod's telnet daemon not > configured correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the > good work! > > thanks > > russ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free > parking. http://shopping.msn.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > |
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From: russ m. <rus...@ho...> - 2003-11-29 07:07:03
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Hello Im trying to telnet into my ipod and i keep getting connection refused messages. I haven't rebuilt my kernel with the firewire patch the website describes, but I can see the correct interface when i run ifconfig -a and the ipod returns my pings. My question is, is this an error that could be caused by not fixing the firewire, or is my ipod's telnet daemon not configured correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work! thanks russ _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com |
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From: Joe C. <jco...@ma...> - 2003-11-24 20:23:31
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> If it could act as a host and you could plug your USB > keyboard/mouse/digital camera that would be interesting. If it was possible to mod the thing to support USB, I bet someone would be able to charge a good amount of cash to perform the mod and get many interested customers. (Though I sometimes overgeneralize from my own tastes... a bit...) Joe |
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From: Joe C. <jco...@ma...> - 2003-11-24 20:20:27
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> I'm sorry but uclinux on iPod only supports vi. If we wanted to use
> emacs we would stick with the Apple firmware.
> [ Do I need to add a :) here? ]
No, you get an "lol" for free!
> A small serial based bluetooth module that plugs into the iPod
> would be neat.
Something like this is apparently in the works acc'd to google("ipod
bluetooth"). I am assuming/hoping that it would be possible to send
data to the ipod (which is what would in theory lead to
keyboard-controlability) and from the ipod (which would just be be
logical).
Joe
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-11-24 20:15:12
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Not sure... I haven't looked at the USB stuff at all. The hard part (?) is mapping the device and its registers. The device itself is known I think but how its wired up in the iPod isn't. The big question though is what could you do with the driver... Unless it has "on-the-go" support I suspect it only does USB client (?) which means you couldn't connect other client devices only hosts (e.g. a PC). If it could act as a host and you could plug your USB keyboard/mouse/digital camera that would be interesting. cheers, bern. On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 20:58, David Piasecki wrote: > What would it take to get a USB driver working? > > David > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > |
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From: David P. <dpi...@ma...> - 2003-11-24 19:58:38
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What would it take to get a USB driver working? David |
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-11-24 19:50:42
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I'm sorry but uclinux on iPod only supports vi. If we wanted to use emacs we would stick with the Apple firmware. [ Do I need to add a :) here? ] Actually for editors I'm thinking a very simple note-taker editor is more likely unless some real keyboards show up. As for bluetooth. That is something that could be very cool. A small serial based bluetooth module that plugs into the iPod would be neat. And integrating with something like <http://linuxbrit.co.uk/bluexmms/> would be quite neat/useful. cheers, bern. On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 23:19, Joe Corneli wrote: > Maybe the best way to get keyboard data to the iPod is to wait for a > Bluetooth add-on, then communicate to the iPod using one of the Apple > wireless keyboards :) > > Joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > |
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From: Joe C. <jco...@ma...> - 2003-11-23 22:19:45
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Maybe the best way to get keyboard data to the iPod is to wait for a Bluetooth add-on, then communicate to the iPod using one of the Apple wireless keyboards :) Joe |
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From: Joe C. <jco...@ma...> - 2003-11-23 06:51:55
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Hi -- I wonder if anyone has tried to build Emacs for iPod. I am only mildly interested in buying an iPod for listening to music, but if I could could use it to write notes, I would be very, very interested. I think that iPod plus a Kinesis keyboard would be a very light-weight, ergonomic, and generally wonderful computer. Joe PS. Xmodmap would be a real plus too. |
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From: Bernard L. <le...@bo...> - 2003-11-20 21:29:44
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Hi Ben, Sorry at the moment the docking iPods (3rd generation iPods) are not fully working with the Linux kernel. The scroll wheel (1st gen) and touch wheel (2nd gen) are all working fine. It seems that if the firewire is disabled the 3g iPods will boot ok and most (all?) of the other drivers are working ok. Daniel has had some success with a patched version but we are still working on the problem. Watch this space! cheers, bern. On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 14:04, Ben wrote: > Hello all, > > Just received my beutiful little iPod, acktually a week ago, one of the 3rd > generation 40 GB versions. Looks nice, good batery time, and I have to admit > the wheel is a grand idea, as I am certain you all know that the neatness of > all these things are canceld out by the crapy idea of using this Music match > box system. They should have lernt from arcos and just used a simple mp3 > player with a file system interface, not the database (dont know exactly how > it works, havent had time to look at it), so off cause I am going to install > the Linux version, acktually not only because I find theire interface > solution idiotic, but because I can, or can I. > > Read somthing about G3 kernel being a bit strange, tried to check it before > I bought the machine, but never managed to find anything about it, and just > wanted to check that I understod it correctly from dear mister Bernard Leach > comment. > > > Note, although this bootloader will run on the newer iPods the Linux > > kernel still doesn't boot correctly there (if you disable firewire it > > probably works a little bit though :). > > And I know that I should have looked a bit longer to try to find assurance > that it supports the 3 generation versions. But at least I have somthing to > play with now :) > > > Regards Ben > > Bernard Leach writes: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > just a short note to announce the "official" release of the iPod boot > > loader. After some great work by Daniel we've managed to get a stable > > and workable bootloader that allows you to selectively boot either the > > Apple or the Linux firmware. Not only that but I've included a simple > > image display to bring Tux back to your iPod! > > > > <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=73079> > > > > Note, although this bootloader will run on the newer iPods the Linux > > kernel still doesn't boot correctly there (if you disable firewire it > > probably works a little bit though :). > > > > cheers, > > bern. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > > _______________________________________________ > > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > > iPo...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > iPodlinux-devel mailing list > iPo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-devel > |
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From: PALFFY D. <dpa...@ra...> - 2003-11-19 13:46:41
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Hi all! Just a quick note: the uploaded make_fw won't extract the apple sw correctly on big endian machines. I've forgot to test extract, I only checked image generation on BE before release, sorry. The attached patch should fix it. The changes are in CVS, too. -- Daniel ...and Linux for all. |
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