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"standard" bug actually :) char is unsigned by default, so "char c"
cannot hold EOF (-1) and thus getopt breaks ;) Use int c instead.

Ben.

Yes, the new iPods are both firewire and USB 2.0.

Dave

On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:15 PM, Joe Corneli wrote:

> But is there USB support of any kind in the newest iPod?
>
> Joe
>

But is there USB support of any kind in the newest iPod?

Joe

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of storing digital pictures 
from my camera.

Dave

On Dec 19, 2003, at 5:25 AM, Joe Corneli wrote:

> What's that about USB on the new iPod?  You don't mean the kind of
> USB support that would enable jacking in a keyboard (do you)?
>

What's that about USB on the new iPod?  You don't mean the kind of
USB support that would enable jacking in a keyboard (do you)?

Cracked open the case to be sure, and indeed it's the TSB43AA82. I was 
kind of nervous I was going to break something, but it's easy enough to 
do. Anyway, it's strange that the old driver doesn't work with the same 
chip.

Dave

Does the new iPod use the same TSB43AA82 IEEE-1394 chip as the old 
iPod? I was trying to think of reasons why the new iPod may not be 
working with the driver that Bernard wrote? I saw a website with one of 
the new iPods opened up, and they labeled the TSB43AA82 chip, but I 
couldn't see any actual writing on it.

Also, does anyone happen to know the chip used for USB on the new iPods?

Dave
----- Original Message -----

> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking for a small, portable device which I can take with me and
> plug into any Lan I'm visiting. The device should run:
> - NFS server
> - SMB server
> - nice filesystem with Unix permissions, e.g., ext2
> - CVS server

Technically you should have no problems about using a Unix fileystem such as
ext2 with full permissions, as for everything else i am not sure.

>
> Nice to have would be:
> - FTP server
> - web server, with PHP and MySQL or Postgres :-)
> - netplan server
>
> iPod would be nice because of its nice big harddisk. Does anybody this
> the above list of software is possible on an iPod?
>
> As far as I understand, there is no MMU on it. What software has been
> run on it successfully so far?
>
> And BTW, is there any tiny standalone converter from Firewire to Ethernet?
>
> All the best,
> Gordon.
>
>
>
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Hi there,

I'm looking for a small, portable device which I can take with me and
plug into any Lan I'm visiting. The device should run:
- NFS server
- SMB server
- nice filesystem with Unix permissions, e.g., ext2
- CVS server

Nice to have would be:
- FTP server
- web server, with PHP and MySQL or Postgres :-)
- netplan server

iPod would be nice because of its nice big harddisk. Does anybody this
the above list of software is possible on an iPod?

As far as I understand, there is no MMU on it. What software has been
run on it successfully so far?

And BTW, is there any tiny standalone converter from Firewire to Ethernet?

All the best,
Gordon.

Hi there,

I'm looking for a small, portable device which I can take with me and 
plug into any Lan I'm visiting. The device should run:
- NFS server
- SMB server
- nice filesystem with Unix permissions, e.g., ext2
- CVS server

Nice to have would be:
- FTP server
- web server, with PHP and MySQL or Postgres :-)
- netplan server

iPod would be nice because of its nice big harddisk. Does anybody this 
the above list of software is possible on an iPod?

As far as I understand, there is no MMU on it. What software has been 
run on it successfully so far?

And BTW, is there any tiny standalone converter from Firewire to Ethernet?

All the best,
Gordon.

I'm trying to get ethernet over firewire working, but I'm having a little trouble. What patch are you talking about? I tried ping. The iPod sees the ping come in, but I get an ack error going out. I've edited, recompiled and reinstalled the eth1394 module on my desktop, so that should be fine. I have kernel version 2.4.20-8d on the desktop.

Dave

"If anyone feels like looking at the problem diassembly of the diagnostic
 firmware seems like the best approach for the moment." - What exactly do
you mean by that?

>
> There are some hardware changes between the 2g and 3g iPods, I'm not
> sure exactly where the problem lies though.  Unfortunately the problem
> is, sofar, only partially debugged.
>
> If anyone feels like looking at the problem diassembly of the diagnostic
> firmware seems like the best approach for the moment.
>
> I've not spoken with the 1394.org team as they didn't write the firewire
> driver that the iPod uses and so aren't likely to be able to help :(
>
> cheers,
> bern.
>
> On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 01:18, Robert D wrote:
> > Ok, I know trhat when you have firewire compiled into 3g kernels it
> > doesnt work, but does anyone have any idea of why it doesnt work??
> >
> > Has anyone contacted the 1394.org team yet? I would *LOVE* to see this
> > issue fixed :)
> >
> > Robert D.
>

Say I've got an iPod, and I run across a friend with an iPod, and we want to share our music files. Unfortunately, we are in the middle of the desert or jungle or just on a plane or something, and there is no laptop in sight. Fortunately, I've got linux running on my iPod, so I should be able to mount my buddy's iPod as a firewire drive and download whatever music I want. Sucks to be him, but cool for me :)  Now how might I go about doing that? I see that the mount command is present in the bin directory, but I think I should need other modules working (like sbp2 perhaps)?

Dave

Hi,

I have managed to build the gcc-2.95.3 based cross-compiler toolchain & 
kernel including patches from scratch on Mac OS X a while ago.  Since 
I'm working on OSX and thus on a PPC machine (and not Intel/x86 & 
Linux), this was a fun & interesting process.  Another thing about this 
is, since I don't have a x86 box w/ firewire (nor own a copy of 
windoze), I can't easily format my iPod as a windows iPod w/ a MSDOS 
FS, so I've been trying to get HFS+ support working as well ; this has 
been a bit tougher than I originally expected since the patch I've been 
working with ( from http://www.ardistech.com/hfsplus/ ; based on the 
work from http://sf.net/projects/linux-hfsplus ) doesn't work on 
linux-2.4.20 (regardless what their page says ;-) ; there were 
significant changes between linux-2.4.20 & linux-2.4.21, which I've 
been trying to deal with and fix.

I've put up a sort of mini-HOWTO / script to download & build all the 
bits from scratch on OSX (but it should be more or less applicable for 
people on other platforms), and a current binary toolchain on 
http://homepage.mac.com/ej0/ipodlinux/ (note - I have not run any tests 
to verify the toolchain ; so it's possible there are bugs in it...)

Hopefully this should get more ppl hacking on this, especially on Mac 
OS X & HFS+ support ;-)  I'll write up my linux-2.4.21 / HFS+ 
experiences / progress soon...

-ej

On Dec 14, 2003, at 3:36 PM, David Piasecki wrote:

> I tried following the instructions on 
> http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html, but I ran into an error when 
> compiling gcc-3.3. It could be because I didn't know what $target and 
> $prefix to give it. I did the following to configure...
>
> ../../../gcc-3.3/configure --target=arm-elf 
> --prefix=/usr/local/cross/builds/arm/gcc-3.3 -v --with-newlib 
> --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld
>
> If someone has any suggestions as to how I might successfully compile 
> it, if it works, I'll send you a binary.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2003, at 3:23 PM, 
> ipo...@li... wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> Did you just use those instructions or were there any other 
>> tips&tricks
>> needed to get things going?
>>
>> Perhaps somewith with a Mac and faster net connection could put 
>> togeter
>> a binary package so we could put it up on sf?  Any takers?
>>
>> cheers,
>> bern.
>>
>> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 21:53, One...@ao... wrote:
>>> I have the Mac OS X binary arm tool chain before you had to pay for
>>> the free GNU package, if necessary I can upload it however I have a
>>> 56k modem so I would like to avoid that if possible :)
>>>
>>> I also found this helpful link if anyone here is trying to compile 
>>> the
>>> arm chain tools for OS X
>>> http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jeff N.
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I simply used the binary for the arm toolchain which a link was 
>> provided for
>> on sf. I still have this file. Those instructions are for Mac OS 10.2 
>> so I
>> don't believe people will have any trouble compiling it under 10.3 
>> and such.
>>
>> Jeff N.

I tried following the instructions on 
http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html, but I ran into an error when 
compiling gcc-3.3. It could be because I didn't know what $target and 
$prefix to give it. I did the following to configure...

../../../gcc-3.3/configure --target=arm-elf 
--prefix=/usr/local/cross/builds/arm/gcc-3.3 -v --with-newlib 
--with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld

If someone has any suggestions as to how I might successfully compile 
it, if it works, I'll send you a binary.

Dave

On Dec 14, 2003, at 3:23 PM, 
ipo...@li... wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Did you just use those instructions or were there any other tips&tricks
> needed to get things going?
>
> Perhaps somewith with a Mac and faster net connection could put togeter
> a binary package so we could put it up on sf?  Any takers?
>
> cheers,
> bern.
>
> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 21:53, One...@ao... wrote:
>> I have the Mac OS X binary arm tool chain before you had to pay for
>> the free GNU package, if necessary I can upload it however I have a
>> 56k modem so I would like to avoid that if possible :)
>>
>> I also found this helpful link if anyone here is trying to compile the
>> arm chain tools for OS X
>> http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jeff N.
>
> Good morning,
>
> I simply used the binary for the arm toolchain which a link was 
> provided for
> on sf. I still have this file. Those instructions are for Mac OS 10.2 
> so I
> don't believe people will have any trouble compiling it under 10.3 and 
> such.
>
> Jeff N.

Bernard,

I've actually written up a 4-page howto because I've found the process 
to be so long and annoying to locate all the needed software tools. I'm 
sure some things are left out or incorrect because I haven't actually 
gotten the linux kernel to operate successfully when I compile it 
myself. So I sent the howto to Daniel to review. I used his 
configuration file when compiling the kernel, but when booting the 
kernel, mine tried to mount vfat instead of ext3. Hopefully he'll 
recognize what it is I'm doing differently than him, and then you can 
put the howto on the web. As far as compiling user programs, that seems 
to be fairly simple to set up. Just compile with arm-elf-gcc with the 
-elf2flt option, though I have yet to do anything more complicated than 
hello.

David

On Dec 14, 2003, at 6:28 AM, Bernard Leach wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> Thats good news about getting your development environment working.  If
> you'd be interested in writing up a short howto I'm sure others would 
> be
> interested.
>
> cheers,
> bern.

Oh, i am sorry,  i read the question wrong. I thought you were asking =
how to upload a normal apple firmware.

From memory i think there is a way to upload the custom-firemare image =
but i cant for thelife of me remember how.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Al Miller=20
  To: 'Robert D'=20
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [Ipodlinux-devel] Windows Firmware Update Utility

  I didn't realize the apple firmware utility would allow me to load =
custom firmware on it.  So you are saying that the patcher from apple =
allows me to install linux on my ipod?

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ipo...@li... =
[mailto:ipo...@li...] On Behalf Of Robert =
D
  Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:34 PM
  To: ipo...@li...
  Subject: Fw: [Ipodlinux-devel] Windows Firmware Update Utility

  =20

  All you have to do is download the firmware update from www.apple.com, =
it comes as a .exe file and all you have to do is run it.

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Al Miller=20

    To: ipo...@li...=20

    Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:08 AM

    Subject: [Ipodlinux-devel] Windows Firmware Update Utility

    =20

    Does anyone have a windows xp program to update the ipod firmware?  =
My old linux server doesn't have firewire or usb on it.   I can see the =
disk as a volume from xp but don't know if there is a way to update the =
firmware.

    =20

    =20

All you have to do is download the firmware update from www.apple.com, =
it comes as a .exe file and all you have to do is run it.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Al Miller=20
  To: ipo...@li...=20
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:08 AM
  Subject: [Ipodlinux-devel] Windows Firmware Update Utility

  Does anyone have a windows xp program to update the ipod firmware?  My =
old linux server doesn't have firewire or usb on it.   I can see the =
disk as a volume from xp but don't know if there is a way to update the =
firmware.

  =20

  =20

Does anyone have a windows xp program to update the ipod firmware?  My
old linux server doesn't have firewire or usb on it.   I can see the
disk as a volume from xp but don't know if there is a way to update the
firmware.

Good morning,

I simply used the binary for the arm toolchain which a link was provided for 
on sf. I still have this file. Those instructions are for Mac OS 10.2 so I 
don't believe people will have any trouble compiling it under 10.3 and such.

Jeff N.

Hi Jeff,

Did you just use those instructions or were there any other tips&tricks
needed to get things going?

Perhaps somewith with a Mac and faster net connection could put togeter
a binary package so we could put it up on sf?  Any takers?

cheers,
bern.

On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 21:53, One...@ao... wrote:
> I have the Mac OS X binary arm tool chain before you had to pay for
> the free GNU package, if necessary I can upload it however I have a
> 56k modem so I would like to avoid that if possible :)
> 
> I also found this helpful link if anyone here is trying to compile the
> arm chain tools for OS X
> http://www.ukos.ch/site/ef_cross.html
> 
> Cheers
> Jeff N.
> 

Hi David,

Thats good news about getting your development environment working.  If
you'd be interested in writing up a short howto I'm sure others would be
interested.

cheers,
bern.

On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 05:36, David Piasecki wrote:
> Got hello working properly. Jeff explained why I should be returning 0 
> instead of 1. For some reason I don't remember doing that the last time 
> I was programming in C.
> 
> I ran Daniel's binary on the g2 iPod, and it seemed to work fine. For 
> some reason, /etc/rc doesn't get called. I'm not sure where else to put 
> programs I want running on startup.
> 
> The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
> input even when you have it set to locked. Once you unlock the scroll 
> wheel and keys, all the characters you've hit stream in. Might be good 
> to fix for keeping the ipod in your pocket.
> 
> This is cool now that I can write programs for it!
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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There are some hardware changes between the 2g and 3g iPods, I'm not
sure exactly where the problem lies though.  Unfortunately the problem
is, sofar, only partially debugged.

If anyone feels like looking at the problem diassembly of the diagnostic
firmware seems like the best approach for the moment.

I've not spoken with the 1394.org team as they didn't write the firewire
driver that the iPod uses and so aren't likely to be able to help :(

cheers,
bern.

On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 01:18, Robert D wrote:
> Ok, I know trhat when you have firewire compiled into 3g kernels it
> doesnt work, but does anyone have any idea of why it doesnt work??
>  
> Has anyone contacted the 1394.org team yet? I would *LOVE* to see this
> issue fixed :)
>  
> Robert D.

Ok, I know trhat when you have firewire compiled into 3g kernels it =
doesnt work, but does anyone have any idea of why it doesnt work??

Has anyone contacted the 1394.org team yet? I would *LOVE* to see this =
issue fixed :)

Robert D.

Hi!
It would be interesting to see if iPod touch wheel can detect 
fingerpresses ON the wheel (sorry for old mechanic wheel iPods). Maybe a 
good idea would be to link the char input process with an "T9" like 
input, or "unix-Tab" like input... I should install linux on my iPod as 
soon I'll have time.
I have some C/C++/Delphi skills, but not under Linux/Unix :o(
Jean.

Jim Witte a écrit:

> [For altkeyboard people: This message is from the iPodLinux dev list]
>
>> The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
>> input even when you have it set to locked. This is cool now that I 
>> can write programs for it!
>
>
> Do you mean write program for it (cross-develop) or *on* it?  If the 
> second, it raises an interesting question:
>
>   Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular 
> dial?  I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - 
> basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and 
> triagles originating from the center determine letters.  It's a 
> unistroke method.)  That seems like it *might* be able to be done with 
> a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small 
> movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it.
>
>   Another idea I though of would be to assign different letters 
> different distances from an origin, and then either have a "stoke 
> out/stoke back" count as one char, and the next character would be a 
> similar stroke either on the same side or the other side (consonants 
> on one side, vowels on the other like Dvorak perhaps).  Or just have 
> the stoke distance before it reverses be a letter, maybe with a finger 
> up or tap be a period (or maybe not).  Spaces would be interesting, 
> since they occur so frequently, and you don't want them to be too hard 
> or strainful to perform.
>
> Jim Witte
> js...@bl...
> Indiana University CS
>

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