[Introspector-developers] Fwd: Re: doubt about object oriented operating systems

[James M. D. <mdu...@ya...>]

Some people just have a BAD ATTITUDE!
I hope that no one in the introspector project treats people like the
new management of TUNES.


--- James Michael DuPont <mdu...@ya...> wrote:
> Delivered-To: tu...@be...
> From: James Michael DuPont <mdu...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: doubt about object oriented operating systems
> To: Brian T Rice <wa...@tu...>, Sm...@ln...
> CC: tu...@tu...
> --- Brian T Rice <wa...@tu...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 Sm...@ln... wrote:
> > 
> > > what do you mean by object oriented operating systems? what is
> the
> > basic
> > > concept of object oriented operating systems? what are its
> > advantages?
> > 
> > Go troll somewhere else. If you have to ask this question, you are
> in
> > the
> > wrong place at the wrong time.
> 
> Hey, Simita.K,
> Please excuse Brians tone. I dont think he means it personally.
> 
> I have often got onto his wrong side, but I dont think that he hates
> me
> as a person, just stupid questions.
> 
> He is a really smart guy, but does have the time to answering newbie
> questions. 
> 
> You posed a good "newbie" question, but let me say, that tunes does
> not
> like the term "OO", see the page :
> http://cliki.tunes.org:8000/Object-Oriented
> 
> Check this out :
> http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/bridges/os/oop.html
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tunes is a project to replace existing Operating Systems, Languages,
> and User Interfaces by a completely rethough Computing System, based
> on
> a correctness-proof-secure higher-order reflective self-extensible
> fine-grained distributed persistent fault-tolerant version-aware
> decentralized (no-kernel) object system. We want to implement such a
> system because we know all these are required for the computing
> industry to compete fairly, which is not currently possible. Even if
> Tunes itself does not become a world-wide OS, we hope the TUNES
> experience can speed up the appearance of such an OS that would
> fulfill
> our requirements. 
> 
> the link is broken, 
> http://acacia.ens.fr:8080/home/rideau/Tunes/Project_Members.html 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> If you look at the tunes definition of OS :
> http://cliki.tunes.org:8000/Operating%20System
>
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> In the TUNES project, the term for any common cultural background
> between different computers. 
> In the false-hearted paradigm imposed by computer industry, an
> arbitrarily delimited part of a computing system that only deals with
> limited, first-order, low-level services while inducing severe
> "context-switch" overhead for every single operation. 
> 
> See the Operating Systems reviewed for examples. 
>
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> 
> 
> I dont think that tunes like the term "OO"
> so i would say lets look at the cliki for 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Object
> A unified term to manipulate computer abstractions. The name 'object'
> is commonly used for that, although the first somewhat-unified frame
> to
> manipulate computer abstractions, namely Lisp, used lists. 
> The Tunes perspective is that any 'thing' spoken of in a system
> counts
> as an object; not merely those encoded in some particular way or
> observing some particular properties of Being. 
> 
> Beware the fake: it's also a fad to be "Object-Oriented"! 
> 
> For example, when trying to "define" objects, some people say that an
> object is something that "has a unique ID" (that is, can be
> individually identified). Now what is a unique ID? In what space does
> it live? This simply pushes other ideas of objects out to another
> level. Identifying for the sake of being identifiable is of limited
> value. Of course objects can be differentiated from each other, but
> this should be done according to useful semantical differences. Just
> saying "we consider objects" is enough and encompasses it. 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> So you can see that the idea of an object is important 
> to tunes, but they are questioning many of the preconceived ideas and
> are breaking down the walls between the different software.
> 
> mike


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James Michael DuPont
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/

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