Thread: Re: [Indic-computing-users] frustrated about IndicComputing
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From: Arun M <ar...@fr...> - 2003-04-29 03:22:33
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> am feeling a bit frustrated about the lack of momentum and velocity. > at the bangalore workshop, we had decided to hold regional workshops, and to > hold atleast one workshop by april end or may sometime, in delhi or > nearabouts. We are working for a workshop in Kerala by mid May. Arun. |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-04-29 10:04:59
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Dear LL, Making a good quality font which joins all the glyphs properly and displays properly is NOT just a hinting question. Hinting comes at the end. There more issues like appropriate em values, weight, width, height, code pages, embeddable, etc. Most important factor is to have a good non-intersecting clean outline. There are many whitepapers on the subject available on the web. Hinting improves the display at small point sizes. The problem that you have mentioned has got more to do with good design rather than hinting. Currently all those who are making OTF are concentrating more on functionality than on asthetics. Once they have mastered the functionality aspect, I am very sure, atleast some of them will concentrate on improving the asthetics. In fact, OTF technology gives more power to design a superb quality font. In case of TTF we are restricted to about 160 glyphs wheras OTF has no such restriction. This fact is very useful for Indic scripts where the total number of combinations (V, C, C+V, C+C+V, C+C+C+V, ..etc.) possible is as high as 15,000 for each language. in OTF, we can have large no. of glyph set to take care of many special cases. Our aim should be to master the technology, demonstrate it and then approach the publishing industry to sponsor high quality font development which is quite expensive affair. Rgds, Pavanaja > thirdly, i don't see enough discussion+action on what to do with > hinting and taking a professional, typeset-ready approach to font > design. > > a colleague recently tried out milan, and though impressed, asked me > why the font seemed so broken. i sighed! here comes the hinting issue > again. grid-fitting, pixel-resolving, and all that. > > i wouldn't like to scare away simple-type endusers with unhinted fonts > that look formidable. > > to plod ahead, we must walk like an elephant, taking firm, strong, > carefully meditated, and strategic steps. i already feel quite sad > about the work in patialia. so *much* work, with some errors in the > fundamental work. they too are suffering from the use of non-standard > encoding, unhinted, even non-professional-design font, non-standard > keyboard, and many issues. all of these problems are quickly solved > though. > > meanwhile, the patialia funded project closes by end of may. i had > hoped, and they hope, to have a professional font design workshop > conducted well before that, and that leaves us with about 3 weeks. ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> - 2003-04-29 11:05:30
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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 03:34 pm, Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote: > Dear LL, > > Making a good quality font which joins all the glyphs properly > and displays properly is NOT just a hinting question. Hinting > comes at the end. There more issues like appropriate em values, > weight, width, height, code pages, embeddable, etc. yes, am aware of these issues acutely. >Mos important factor is to have a good non-intersecting clean > outline. yes, this point is also understood. >There are many whitepapers on the subject available on > the web. Hinting improves the display at small point sizes. or at coarse resolutions. could you please point the urls to the relevant whitepapers? also, if you have links to hinting whitepapers and pdfs, would also be appreciated. > > Currently all those who are making OTF are concentrating more on > functionality than on asthetics. Once they have mastered the > functionality aspect, I am very sure, atleast some of them will > concentrate on improving the asthetics. except that you may just find it is easier to design a font from scratch for better aesthetics, than to attempt cleaning an existing one. > > Our aim should be to master the technology, demonstrate it and > then approach the publishing industry to sponsor high quality > font development which is quite expensive affair. chicken before the egg. western digital typography was born the other way around. in fact, no matter what, poorer quality fonts have always fallen by the wayside, in my experience since 1982 with computers. no matter which media, which manifestation they come in. OTF made its mark not with functional fonts in western typography but with highly polished, very professional, top-end fonts. otherwise the community would have been reluctant to adopt them. the case of indic languages is peculiar. even getting a functional indic OTF was/is a delight. aiming for typset-quality typography is starting and ending with the problem solved completely. as we say in hindi "In the elephant's leg you will find the legs of all." anyways, just my two paisas on the thought. please do give me the urls of the whitepapers. :-) LL |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-05-02 07:47:35
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:27:19 +0530 LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...> wrote: > anyways, just my two paisas on the thought. please do give me the > urls of the whitepapers. > Chek the fonts, opentype, truetype, unicode links in http://www.indlinux.org/bookmarks.html Regards, Karunakar -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Discover." - Mark Twain --------------------------- * Indian Linux project * * http://www.indlinux.org * --------------------------- |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-04-30 18:30:55
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> could you please point the urls to the relevant whitepapers? also, if > you have links to hinting whitepapers and pdfs, would also be > appreciated. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/hinting/hinting.htm?fname=%2 0&fsize= -Pavanaja ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-05-01 02:06:12
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> could you please point the urls to the relevant whitepapers? Truetype fundas- http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/ What is Truetype- http://www.microsoft.com/typography/what/what.htm?fname=%20&fsiz e= -Pavanaja ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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